Re: Pitch learning

[Pierre Divenyi <pdivenyi@xxxxxxxxx>]

Martin, 

I defer to you, the expert. You should have pointed to your web page

http://web.telia.com/~u57011259/pelog

_main.htm 

Pierre

At 10:23 AM 3/2/2007, Martin Braun wrote:
> Dear Pierre and others,
>
> > During my studies some time ago
> > I read in a respected source that there are gamelans in which even the
> > octave is missing.
>
> There must have been a misunderstanding in this. A gamelan ensemble
> without the octave as the backbone of all tuning is a red herring. What
> occurs are deviations from the mathematically exact octave, up to about
> +/- 30 Cent. In some gamelan cultures, such as in Bali, octave deviations
> are tuned on purpose to reach a shimmering sound caused by the
> "beats" resulting from this tuning practice.
>
> We should also note that all gamelan scales that have ever been found are
> fairly well understood in terms of physics and hearing physiology. Not
> much mystery here.
>
> Martin
>
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> Martin Braun
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>
> http://w1.570.telia.com/~u57011259/index.htm
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>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pierre Divenyi"
> <pdivenyi@xxxxxxxxx>
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> Sent: Friday, March 02, 2007 6:49 AM
> Subject: Re: Pitch learning
>
>
> > I think that the most
> > challenging instrument to any pitch theories is the gamelan ensemble:
> > partials produced by each metal bloc are inharmonic and the (supposed)
> > fundamental frequencies of the bloc series define an inharmonic scale
> > that varies from gamelan to gamelan, except that they never include
> > simple harmonic ratios. During my studies some time ago I read in a
> > respected source that there are gamelans in which even the octave is
> > missing.
> >
> > Pierre