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Hi Lori and Fred-
To me this is quite reminiscent of all the old VOT / F0 /
duration / trading relations - if we treat VOT/F0 as frequency based, and duration as time based you should see the same things. I know that John Kingston did some Garner Paradigm work on this a long time ago to establish whether the cues were separable
or integral. I wonder if it would be useful to use the Garner paradigm to do the same for frequency/duration of tones?
Kingston, J. (2005). Ears to categories: New arguments for autonomy. In S. Frota, M. Vigario, & M. J. Freitas (Eds.), Prosodies: With special reference to Iberian language (pp. 177-222). Mouton de Gruyter.
Best,
theBob
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(Off the top of my head, so here goes) From a purely information processing perspective, with a brain 'normalisation' chaser, these are relatively low frequencies where phase-locking is a 'thing'. Purely in terms of accumulating information about the signals
(I'm guessing 'the brain' doesn't know or care about your task), the same number of spikes would take longer to accumulate for a lower frequency (fewer cycles, fewer spikes, therefore less 'information'). just a hunch but move into the non-phase locking region
above 4 kHz (for those who can still hear!) and see what happens.
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Sent: 02 November 2022 07:00 To: AUDITORY@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <AUDITORY@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: [AUDITORY] Long/Low & Short/High? Dear auditory aficionados,
Fred Dick and I have been doing some work with a long-short tone duration identification
task (50ms vs 90ms) where tone frequency is chosen from one of x values in a truncated range (e.g., 800Hz, 920Hz, 1000Hz, 1080Hz, 1200Hz). (You might be familiar with this paradigm from Mondor & Bregman, 1994).
We have found a weak but quite reliable effect, where subjects tend to judge lower frequencies more often as 'long', and higher frequencies as 'short'. This was unexpected yet remarkably consistent across a lot of experiments. We have been unable to track down mention of this in the literature. We did dig up a few papers that purported to be on the general topic of frequency effects on duration judgments, but these ended up being about different things entirely... We wondered whether anyone might be familiar with literature we've missed- or maybe even have encountered something like this before yourself? Best wishes,
Lori & Fred
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