Subject: Re: [AUDITORY] Audio card for mac From: =?utf-8?Q?Krzysztof_Basi=C5=84ski?= <k.basinski@xxxxxxxx> Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2025 10:11:52 +0200--Apple-Mail=_03CE4236-9B93-4A24-AA7D-ED6E5085D023 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Hi Julia, Are you using headphones of free field? If headphones, probably the = biggest issue would be the headphone output and its ability to drive = high impedance headphones that are often used in psychoacoustics. Also = diver latency is pretty important if you need good synchronisation (ie. = for ERPs) or you are interested in reaction times. If you don=E2=80=99t = need many output channels, I=E2=80=99d say the MOTU M2 is a good choice = if you are on a budget. It=E2=80=99s quite stable, works well with Apple = Silicon and has a good headphone amp. Check out a review by Julian = Krause on YT, he has great technical insight and provides independent = performance measurements (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DD3ednXYd1pA).=20= That being said, if budget allows, I=E2=80=99d personally go with the = RME BabyFace or UCX II though. We=E2=80=99re using UCX II in our lab and = it works great. We use extra channels for talkback/intercom to talk to = the participant. The DURec feature is great for recording the audio of = an experiment without worrying about computer resources. And the = TotalMix FX software can store full configurations as presets (including = output volumes etc). It=E2=80=99s great if you=E2=80=99re running = different experiments with different experimenters and interchanging = setups. I=E2=80=99m curious, why are your Fireface interfaces not compatible? = RME is know for long-term support and their 20 year old interfaces work = with new macs. Is it because of firewire? There are = firewire-to-thunderbolt adapters, have you considered them? Best, Chris -- Krzysztof Basi=C5=84ski, PhD PRINCIPAL INVESTIGATOR Auditory Neuroscience Laboratory <https://informator.gumed.edu.pl/23> anl.gumed.edu.pl <https://mug.edu.pl/> ASSISTANT PROFESSOR Division of Quality of Life Research = <https://informator.gumed.edu.pl/23> Medical University of Gda=C5=84sk krzysztof.basinski@xxxxxxxx <mailto:krzysztof.basinski@xxxxxxxx> zbnjz@xxxxxxxx <mailto:zbnjz@xxxxxxxx> +48 58 349 1569 Tuwima 15, 80-210 Gda=C5=84sk=20 mug.edu.pl=C2=A0 <https://mug.edu.pl/> farU.edu.pl/en=C2=A0 <https://faru.edu.pl/en> =EF=BF=BC=20 This e-mail and attachments to it may include information legally = privileged. It is intended solely for the recipient. If you are not the = recipient,please inform the sender accordingly and delete the e-mail = with all attachments received. Copying and/or disseminating this e-mail = and information included in the e-mail by unauthorised individuals is = strictly prohibited. Your personal data is administered by Medical = University of Gda=C5=84sk. Information on personal data processing is = available at gumed.edu.pl/55839.html <https://gumed.edu.pl/55839.html> > On 28 Aug 2025, at 08:28, Picinali, Lorenzo = <l.picinali@xxxxxxxx> wrote: >=20 > Hello Julia, >=20 > we also generally use RME and MOTU interfaces, but if you want a = cheaper option which is anyway still quite good and reliable, we have = successfully used interfaces from the Focusrite Scarlett range. You have = plenty of options, and they are compatible with the Apple silicon = computers. >=20 > Best > Lorenzo >=20 > -- > Lorenzo Picinali > Professor in Spatial Acoustics and Immersive Audio > Dyson School of Design Engineering > Imperial College London > Dyson Building > Imperial College Road > South Kensington, SW7 2DB, London > E: l.picinali@xxxxxxxx <mailto:l.picinali@xxxxxxxx> >=20 > https://profiles.imperial.ac.uk/l.picinali > https://www.axdesign.co.uk/ > https://www.sonicom.eu/ > From: AUDITORY - Research in Auditory Perception = <AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx> on behalf of Huyck, Julia = <0000040b68901d31-dmarc-request@xxxxxxxx> > Sent: 27 August 2025 6:14 PM > To: AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx <AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx> > Subject: [AUDITORY] Audio card for mac > =20 > Hello all,=20 > =20 > I=E2=80=99m replacing my ancient lab computers. Previously I used = Fireface sound cards but they are not compatible with my new iMacs and = my budget is somewhat limited. Does anyone have any recommendations for = high quality sound cards that will work with Experiment Builder and = Matlab? Will the onboard sound card be sufficient for psychoacoustic = research? My computer specs are: iMac with Retina 4.5K display: Apple M4 = chip with 8-core CPU and 8-core GPU, 16GB, 512GB SSD > =20 > Thanks, > Julia > =20 > Julia Jones Huyck, Ph.D. (she/her) > 330-672-0249 (office) > 330-244-6134 (mobile) > Coordinator, Northeast Ohio Au.D. Consortium > Associate Professor, Speech Pathology and Audiology Program=20 > School of Health Sciences | College of Education, Health, & Human = Services > Kent State University > =20 > Hearing Research Group, Northeast Ohio Medical University (NEOMED) > =20 > Perception, Learning and Individual Differences (PLAID) lab > 330-672-2415 | plaidlab@xxxxxxxx >=20 --Apple-Mail=_03CE4236-9B93-4A24-AA7D-ED6E5085D023 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="text/html"; boundary="Apple-Mail=_A851925C-C7A3-4899-AB20-C49EF4F558D5" --Apple-Mail=_A851925C-C7A3-4899-AB20-C49EF4F558D5 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 <html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; = charset=3Dutf-8"></head><body style=3D"overflow-wrap: break-word; = -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;">Hi = Julia,<div><br></div><div>Are you using headphones of free field? If = headphones, probably the biggest issue would be the headphone output and = its ability to drive high impedance headphones that are often used in = psychoacoustics. Also diver latency is pretty important if you need good = synchronisation (ie. for ERPs) or you are interested in reaction times. = If you don=E2=80=99t need many output channels, I=E2=80=99d say the MOTU = M2 is a good choice if you are on a budget. It=E2=80=99s quite stable, = works well with Apple Silicon and has a good headphone amp. Check out a = review by Julian Krause on YT, he has great technical insight and = provides independent performance measurements (<a = href=3D"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DD3ednXYd1pA">https://www.youtube= .com/watch?v=3DD3ednXYd1pA</a>). </div><div><br></div><div>That = being said, if budget allows, I=E2=80=99d personally go with the RME = BabyFace or UCX II though. We=E2=80=99re using UCX II in our lab and it = works great. We use extra channels for talkback/intercom to talk to the = participant. The DURec feature is great for recording the audio of an = experiment without worrying about computer resources. And the TotalMix = FX software can store full configurations as presets (including output = volumes etc). It=E2=80=99s great if you=E2=80=99re running different = experiments with different experimenters and interchanging = setups.</div><div><br></div><div>I=E2=80=99m curious, why are your = Fireface interfaces not compatible? RME is know for long-term support = and their 20 year old interfaces work with new macs. Is it because of = firewire? There are firewire-to-thunderbolt adapters, have you = considered them?</div><div><br></div><div>Best,</div><div>Chris<br = id=3D"lineBreakAtBeginningOfMessage"><div> <meta charset=3D"UTF-8"><div style=3D"font-family: Helvetica; font-size: = 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: = normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; = text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: = auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; = text-decoration: none; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, = 0);"><font face=3D"Arial" color=3D"#023f87" = size=3D"2"><b>--</b></font></div><div style=3D"font-family: Helvetica; = font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; = font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: = start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; = widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; = text-decoration: none; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); 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It is intended solely for the recipient. If you are = not the recipient,please inform the sender accordingly and delete the = e-mail with all attachments received. Copying and/or disseminating this = e-mail and information included in the e-mail by unauthorised = individuals is strictly prohibited. Your personal data is administered = by Medical University of Gda=C5=84sk. Information on personal data = processing is available at <a = href=3D"https://gumed.edu.pl/55839.html" style=3D"color: rgb(128, 128, = 128) !important;">gumed.edu.pl/55839.html</a></p> </div> <div><br><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div>On 28 Aug 2025, at 08:28, = Picinali, Lorenzo <l.picinali@xxxxxxxx> wrote:</div><br = class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div><meta charset=3D"UTF-8"><div = class=3D"elementToProof" style=3D"font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: = normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; = text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; = word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: = none; font-family: "Times New Roman", Times, serif; font-size: = 12pt;">Hello Julia,</div><div class=3D"elementToProof" = style=3D"font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: = 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; = text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; = -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; font-family: = "Times New Roman", Times, serif; font-size: = 12pt;"><br></div><div class=3D"elementToProof" style=3D"font-style: = normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: = normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; = white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; = text-decoration: none; font-family: "Times New Roman", Times, = serif; font-size: 12pt;">we also generally use RME and MOTU interfaces, = but if you want a cheaper option which is anyway still quite good and = reliable, we have successfully used interfaces from the Focusrite = Scarlett range. You have plenty of options, and they are compatible with = the Apple silicon computers.</div><div class=3D"elementToProof" = style=3D"font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: = 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; = text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; = -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; font-family: = "Times New Roman", Times, serif; font-size: = 12pt;"><br></div><div class=3D"elementToProof" style=3D"font-style: = normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: = normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; = white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; = text-decoration: none; font-family: "Times New Roman", Times, = serif; font-size: 12pt;">Best</div><div class=3D"elementToProof" = style=3D"font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: = 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; = text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; = -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; font-family: = "Times New Roman", Times, serif; font-size: = 12pt;">Lorenzo</div><div class=3D"elementToProof" id=3D"Signature" = style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: = 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; = letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; = text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; = -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><div = class=3D"elementToProof" style=3D"font-family: "Times New = Roman", Times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"><br></div><div = class=3D"elementToProof" style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: = 10pt;">--<br>Lorenzo Picinali<br>Professor in Spatial<span = style=3D""> Acoustics and Immersive Audio</span><br>Dyson School of = Design Engineering<br>Imperial College London<br>Dyson = Building<br>Imperial College Road<br>South Kensington, SW7 2DB, = London<br>E:<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><a = href=3D"mailto:l.picinali@xxxxxxxx">l.picinali@xxxxxxxx</a><br= ><u><br></u><span style=3D""><a = href=3D"https://profiles.imperial.ac.uk/l.picinali">https://profiles.imper= ial.ac.uk/l.picinali</a></span><br><a data-auth=3D"NotApplicable" = data-linkindex=3D"2" rel=3D"noopener noreferrer" target=3D"_blank" = href=3D"https://www.axdesign.co.uk/">https://www.axdesign.co.uk/</a></div>= <div class=3D"elementToProof" style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; 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font-family: = Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: = normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; = text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; = word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: = none; overflow-wrap: break-word;"><div class=3D"x_WordSection1"><div = style=3D"margin: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, = sans-serif;">Hello all,<span = class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span></div><p = class=3D"x_MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0in; font-size: 12pt; = font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"> </p><div style=3D"margin: 0in; = font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;">I=E2=80=99m replacing = my ancient lab computers. Previously I used Fireface sound cards but = they are not compatible with my new iMacs and my budget is somewhat = limited. Does anyone have any recommendations for high quality sound = cards that will work with Experiment Builder and Matlab? Will the = onboard sound card be sufficient for psychoacoustic research? My = computer specs are: iMac with Retina 4.5K display: Apple M4 chip with = 8-core CPU and 8-core GPU, 16GB, 512GB SSD</div><p class=3D"x_MsoNormal" = style=3D"margin: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, = sans-serif;"> </p><div style=3D"margin: 0in; font-size: 12pt; = font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;">Thanks,</div><div style=3D"margin: 0in; = font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;">Julia</div><p = class=3D"x_MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0in; font-size: 12pt; = font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"> </p><div><div><div style=3D"margin:= 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><span>Julia = Jones Huyck, Ph.D. (she/her)</span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in; = font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><span>330-672-0249 = (office)</span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in; font-size: 12pt; = font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><span>330-244-6134 = (mobile)<br>Coordinator, Northeast Ohio Au.D. 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