Subject: Re: [AUDITORY] better listserv tech From: =?utf-8?Q?Krzysztof_Basi=C5=84ski?= <k.basinski@xxxxxxxx> Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2025 10:21:59 +0200--Apple-Mail=_D37C5ABC-731A-4C8D-B8DD-84D5AC6D7613 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Hi all, As Dan mentioned that the current setup is implicitly acceptable to = most, I thought I=E2=80=99d just state explicitly why it=E2=80=99s = acceptable to myself: 1. This list is a wonderful, almost indispensable source of information. 2. It is great that it is oldschool and it works. Every new tech has = caveats that may not be immediately apparent (maintenance, privacy = issues, hidden costs). If you want extra features, you can always do it = on the client side (fancy email clients, AI if you don=E2=80=99t mind = them reading your mail, etc). 3. It is extremely important that the list does not rely on a megacorp = (Google) for tech. There are multiple political, ethical and practical = reasons for this. Bottom line is that the AUDITORY list is by now an = important piece of the history of auditory science. We need to be = careful with it, as with any historic artefact. Last thing you want to = do is to hand over a Da Vinci painting to Google for safe keeping, = right? Sorry for being a bit over the top with the analogy but I hope = the point is clear. 4. Dan Ellis does great work. Best, Chris > On 16 Apr 2025, at 17:45, Dan Ellis <dan.ellis@xxxxxxxx> wrote: >=20 > Since my name was mentioned... =20 >=20 > A few years back I suggested moving the list to Google Groups. (At = that time, McGill was having some problems with their listserv setup, = but it seems fine now.) My interest in Google Groups was that it was = modern and probably long-lasting, but many people were (I think) = uncomfortable ceding control to a megacorp, so no action was taken. >=20 > We have a very large and diverse membership, which inclines me to = stick with what we have -- which is, implicitly, acceptable to most = (although we have had dozens of departures in the past few weeks). I = regret that the flexibility isn't as great as some would wish, but my = feeling is it works pretty well. >=20 > Thanks for the constructive discussion. >=20 > DAn. --Apple-Mail=_D37C5ABC-731A-4C8D-B8DD-84D5AC6D7613 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 <html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; = charset=3Dutf-8"></head><body style=3D"overflow-wrap: break-word; = -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;">Hi = all,<div><br></div><div>As Dan mentioned that the current setup is = <b>implicitly</b> acceptable to most, I thought I=E2=80=99d just state = explicitly why it=E2=80=99s acceptable to = myself:</div><div><br></div><div>1. This list is a wonderful, almost = indispensable source of information.</div><div>2. It is great that it is = oldschool and it works. Every new tech has caveats that may not be = immediately apparent (maintenance, privacy issues, hidden costs). If you = want extra features, you can always do it on the client side (fancy = email clients, AI if you don=E2=80=99t mind them reading your mail, = etc).</div><div>3. It is extremely important that the list does not rely = on a megacorp (Google) for tech. There are multiple political, ethical = and practical reasons for this. Bottom line is that the AUDITORY list is = by now an important piece of the history of auditory science. We need to = be careful with it, as with any historic artefact. Last thing you want = to do is to hand over a Da Vinci painting to Google for safe keeping, = right? Sorry for being a bit over the top with the analogy but I hope = the point is clear.</div><div>4. Dan Ellis does great = work.</div><div><br></div><div>Best,</div><div>Chris</div><div><br = id=3D"lineBreakAtBeginningOfMessage"><div><br><blockquote = type=3D"cite"><div>On 16 Apr 2025, at 17:45, Dan Ellis = <dan.ellis@xxxxxxxx> wrote:</div><br = class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div><div dir=3D"ltr">Since my name = was mentioned... <div><br></div><div>A few years back I suggested = moving the list to Google Groups. (At that time, McGill was having = some problems with their listserv setup, but it seems fine now.) = My interest in Google Groups was that it was modern and = probably long-lasting, but many people were (I think) uncomfortable = ceding control to a megacorp, so no action was = taken.</div><div><br></div><div>We have a very large and diverse = membership, which inclines me to stick with what we have -- which is, = implicitly, acceptable to most (although we have had dozens of = departures in the past few weeks). I regret that the flexibility = isn't as great as some would wish, but my feeling is it works pretty = well.</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks for the constructive = discussion.</div><div><br></div><div> DAn.</div></div> </div></blockquote></div><br></div></body></html>= --Apple-Mail=_D37C5ABC-731A-4C8D-B8DD-84D5AC6D7613--