Subject: Re: [AUDITORY] better listserv tech From: Samuel Mehr <sam@xxxxxxxx> Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2025 16:49:54 +1200----==_mimepart_67ff36f28aa81_bf1fdc01107c2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It's certainly cool that the same listserv has worked decently well for so long, but software for group communication and message distribution has really come a long way in thirty years, and that's not a bad thing when used conscientiously. Something like Google Groups or Discourse is flexible enough that people who want a traditional listserv experience can have it by default, people who want no email and a browser based experience that isn't thirty years old can have it, and people like me who want a more complex setup (in my case, a daily digest that actually works but also handles modern email formats along with mutes etc) can also have some options. Better software means more flexibility for different users' preferences so that more of the community can enjoy being part of the community. So I think it's worth considering. Sam On April 16, 2025, Sarah Hargus Ferguson <sarah.ferguson@xxxxxxxx> wrote: > You don't often get email from sarah.ferguson@xxxxxxxx Learn why > this is important <https://aka.ms/LearnAboutSenderIdentification> > I don=E2=80=99t think the problem is the tech or the model, it=E2=80=99= s that one > person started treating the list like social media. Sure, there can be > some =E2=80=9Cdiscussion=E2=80=9D, but a single person responding over = and over to > keep making their point? That=E2=80=99s what I think has prompted so ma= ny > people to ask to leave the list (after apparently ignoring so many > messages that they=E2=80=99ve now missed not one but two notes from the= admin > about how to actually > leave the list), because that=E2=80=99s not what we=E2=80=99ve historic= ally been here > for. I=E2=80=99ve been on the list for around 30 years and find it VERY= > valuable when I=E2=80=99m struggling with a concept or have a job to po= st. > This group has been cheerful and generous nearly all of the time. > > =C2=A0 > > I find it easy enough to delete emails that don=E2=80=99t apply to me, = even on > days like today when there are over 20 posts to the list. For some > reason all of the messages to the list come to me overnight so they=E2=80= =99re > all in one nice bundle of messages that I can peruse each morning. > > =C2=A0 > > Sarah Hargus Ferguson, PhD, CCC-A > > Associate Professor > > Director of Graduate Studies, Audiology > > Pronouns: She/her/hers > > =C2=A0 > > Department of Communication Sciences and Disorders > > =C2=A0 > > > =C2=A0 > > I acknowledge that I live, work, and recreate on the traditional and > ancestral homeland of the Shoshone, Paiute, Goshute, and Ute Tribes. > > =C2=A0 > > From: AUDITORY - Research in Auditory Perception > <AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx> On Behalf Of JONATHAN SAUNDERS > Sent: Monday, April 14, 2025 10:52 PM > To: AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx > Subject: Re: [AUDITORY] better listserv tech > > =C2=A0 > > "This meeting (listserv) could have been an email (fediverse > instance)" > > =C2=A0 > > This is the space I work in now, and I think the standard replacement > would probably be discourse for a closed group, an activitypub > instance for a semi-open group (e.g. with closed federation if > needed), or atproto appview for world-public group. > > =C2=A0 > > Happy to help keep an old group alive if that's what's needed at the > moment :) > > =C2=A0 > > On Mon, Apr 14, 2025, 21:36 Samuel Mehr <sam@xxxxxxxx> wrote: > > Hi folks, I was thinking it would be cool if members of the Auditory > > list had more control over what they see from the list and I wonder > > if there would be support for moving it from the 'classic' listserv > > (a physical server, I think, someplace in Montr=C3=A9al) to something= > > more modern with user-level moderation tools. For example, the > > ability to mute a thread while still seeing other messages to the > > list would be nice. > > > > Awhile back Dan Ellis mentioned to me that some years ago there was > > discussion of moving to a more modern server but some people didn't > > like the idea. This may be worth revisiting =E2=80=94 many of us find= the > > Auditory list useful for recruiting students, crowdsourcing help for > > various esoteric questions, hearing about new papers, uniting a > > rather disparate set of subfields, and so on, but the very outdated > > tech of the listserv makes it more difficult than necessary to use > > and participate in. > > > > Sam > > > > > > =E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94 > Samuel Mehr > School of Psychology, University of Auckland > and Child Study Center, Yale University > Be a citizen scientist at themusiclab.org <https://themusiclab.org/>! ----==_mimepart_67ff36f28aa81_bf1fdc01107c2 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE html> <html> <head> <meta charset=3D"utf-8"> <meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3Dutf= -8" /> <meta name=3D"viewport" id=3D"viewport" content=3D"width=3Ddevice-wid= th,minimum-scale=3D1.0,maximum-scale=3D10.0,initial-scale=3D1.0" /> <style> html { -webkit-text-size-adjust: 100%; -ms-text-size-adjust: 100%; } h1 { font-size: 1.3em; line-height: 1.2; margin: 0; } ul, ol { margin: 0; padding: 0; } ul li, ol li, li li { margin: 0 0 0 36px; } [dir=3Drtl] li { margin: 0 18px 0 0; } blockquote { border-color: #dfdee1; /* --color--border */ border-style: solid; border-width: 0 0 0 1px; margin: 0; padding: 0 0 0 1em; } [dir=3Drtl] blockquote, blockquote[dir=3Drtl] { border-width: 0 1px 0 0; padding: 0 1em 0 0; } pre { font-family: "SFMono-Regular", Consolas, "Liberation Mono", Menlo, Cour= ier, monospace; /* --font-family--mono */ font-size: 0.9em; margin: 0; padding: 1rem; background-color: #f3f1ef; /* --color-bg--surface */ white-space: pre-wrap; word-wrap: break-word; overflow: visible; } .message-content { font-family: -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, Aptos, Roboto, "Segoe U= I", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif, "Apple Color Emoji", "Segoe UI Emoji", = "Segoe UI Symbol"; /* --font-family */ line-height: 1.4; } .attachment { display: inline-block; margin: 0; padding: 0; } .attachment__caption { padding: 0; text-align: center; } .attachment__caption a[href] { text-decoration: none; color: #333333; } .attachment--preview { width: 100%; text-align: center; margin: 0.625em 0; } .attachment--preview img { border: 1px solid #dfdee1; /* --color--border */ vertical-align: middle; width: auto; max-width: 100%; max-height: 640px; } .attachment--preview .attachment__caption { color: #716d7b; /* --color-txt--subtle */ font-size: 0.85em; margin-top: 0.625em; } .attachment--file { color: #282138; /* --color-txt */ line-height: 1; margin: 0 2px 2px 0; padding: 0.4em 1em; border: 1px solid #dfdee1; /* --color--border */ border-radius: 5px; } .permalink { color: inherit; } .txt--subtle { color: #716d7b; /* --color-txt--subtle */ } .txt--xx-small { font-size: 14px; } .flush { margin: 0; padding: 0; } .push--bottom { margin-bottom: 8px; } .border--top { border-top: 1px solid #ECE9E6; /* --color-border--solid */ } .btn { padding: 0.2em 0.4em; font-weight: 500; text-decoration: none; border-radius: 3rem; white-space: nowrap; background: #5522FA; /* --color-tertiary */ border-color: #5522FA; color: #ffffff; } .btn--email { display: inline-block; text-align: center; font-weight: 500; font-size: 1em; text-decoration: none; border-radius: 2em; white-space: nowrap; background: #5522FA; /* --color-tertiary */ border-color: #5522FA; color: #ffffff; border-top: 0.3em solid #5522FA; border-left: 1em solid #5522FA; border-bottom: 0.3em solid #5522FA; border-right: 1em solid #5522FA; } .shaded { padding: 1em; border-radius: 4px; background-color: #f6f5f3; /* --color-bg--surface */ border: 1px solid #dfdee1; /* --color--border */ } .shaded--blue { background-color: rgba(80, 162, 255, 0.2); /* --rgb-blue 0.2 */ } .shaded--red { background-color: rgba(255, 120, 120, 0.2); /* --rgb-red 0.2 */ } .strikethrough { text-decoration: line-through; } </style> </head> <body> <div class=3D"message-content"> <div class=3D"trix-content"> <div>It's certainly cool that the same listserv has worked decently= well for so long, but software for group communication and message distr= ibution has really come a long way in thirty years, and that's not a = bad thing when used conscientiously. Something like Google Groups or Disc= ourse is flexible enough that people who want a traditional listserv expe= rience can have it by default, people who want no email and a browser bas= ed experience that isn't thirty years old can have it, and people lik= e me who want a more complex setup (in my case, a daily digest that actua= lly works but also handles modern email formats along with mutes etc) can= also have some options. Better software means more flexibility for diffe= rent users' preferences so that more of the community can enjoy being= part of the community. So I think it's worth considering.<br><br>Sam= <br><br></div><div>On April 16, 2025, Sarah Hargus Ferguson <sarah.fer= guson@xxxxxxxx> wrote:</div><blockquote><style></style><div style=3D= "word-wrap:break-word" class=3D"__body-layout __body_0ba85ee97555"> <table cellspacing=3D"0" cellpadding=3D"0" width=3D"100%" style=3D"aspect= -ratio: revert !important; background: revert !important; block-size: rev= ert !important; border: revert !important; bottom: revert !important; col= or: revert !important; content-visibility: revert !important; cursor: re= vert !important; direction: revert !important; display: revert !important= ; font-size: revert !important; height: revert !important; hyphens: rever= t !important; letter-spacing: revert !important; line-height: revert !imp= ortant; margin: revert !important; opacity: revert !important; order: rev= ert !important; outline: revert !important; overflow: revert !important; = padding: revert !important; position: revert !important; resize: revert != important; 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font-size: 12px !i= mportant; font-weight: normal !important; color: #212121 !important; text= -align: left !important; word-wrap: break-word !important; "> <div style=3D"aspect-ratio: revert !important; background: revert !import= ant; block-size: revert !important; border: revert !important; bottom: re= vert !important; color: revert !important; content-visibility: revert !i= mportant; cursor: revert !important; direction: revert !important; displa= y: revert !important; font-size: revert !important; height: revert !impor= tant; hyphens: revert !important; letter-spacing: revert !important; line= -height: revert !important; margin: revert !important; opacity: revert !i= mportant; order: revert !important; outline: revert !important; overflow:= revert !important; padding: revert !important; position: revert !importa= nt; resize: revert !important; rotate: revert !important; scale: revert != important; tab-size: revert !important; table-layout: revert !important; = text-align: revert !important; text-indent: revert !important; text-orien= tation: revert !important; text-overflow: revert !important; text-shadow:= revert !important; text-transform: revert !important; text-wrap: revert = !important; top: revert !important; transition: revert !important; user-s= elect: revert !important; vertical-align: revert !important; visibility: = revert !important; white-space: revert !important; width: revert !importa= nt; word-break: revert !important; word-spacing: revert !important; writi= ng-mode: revert !important; zoom: revert !important; "> You don't often get email from sarah.ferguson@xxxxxxxx <a href=3D= "https://aka.ms/LearnAboutSenderIdentification" style=3D"background: reve= rt !important;color: revert !important;content-visibility: revert !import= ant;direction: revert !important;display: revert !important;font-size: re= vert !important;opacity: revert !important;rotate: revert !important;scal= e: revert !important;visibility: revert !important;"> Learn why this is important</a> </div> </td> <td valign=3D"middle" align=3D"left" width=3D"75px" bgcolor=3D"#EAEAEA" c= ellpadding=3D"7px 5px 7px 5px" color=3D"#212121" style=3D"aspect-ratio: r= evert !important; background: revert !important; block-size: revert !impo= rtant; border: revert !important; bottom: revert !important; color: rever= t !important; content-visibility: revert !important; cursor: revert !imp= ortant; direction: revert !important; display: revert !important; font-si= ze: revert !important; height: revert !important; hyphens: revert !import= ant; letter-spacing: revert !important; line-height: revert !important; m= argin: revert !important; opacity: revert !important; order: revert !impo= rtant; outline: revert !important; overflow: revert !important; padding: = revert !important; position: revert !important; resize: revert !important= ; rotate: revert !important; scale: revert !important; tab-size: revert != important; table-layout: revert !important; text-align: revert !important= ; text-indent: revert !important; text-orientation: revert !important; te= xt-overflow: revert !important; text-shadow: revert !important; text-tran= sform: revert !important; text-wrap: revert !important; top: revert !impo= rtant; transition: revert !important; user-select: revert !important; ver= tical-align: revert !important; visibility: revert !important; white-spac= e: revert !important; width: revert !important; word-break: revert !impor= tant; word-spacing: revert !important; writing-mode: revert !important; z= oom: revert !important; width: 75px !important; background-color: #EAEAEA= !important; padding: 7px 5px 7px 5px !important; font-family: wf_segoe-u= i_normal, Segoe UI, Segoe WP, Tahoma, Arial, sans-serif !important; font-= size: 12px !important; font-weight: normal !important; color: #212121 !im= portant; text-align: left !important; word-wrap: break-word !important; a= lign: left !important; "> </td> </tr> </tbody> </table> <div> <div class=3D"WordSection1"> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt">I don=E2=80=99t t= hink the problem is the tech or the model, it=E2=80=99s that one person s= tarted treating the list like social media. Sure, there can be some =E2=80= =9Cdiscussion=E2=80=9D, but a single person responding over and over to k= eep making their point? That=E2=80=99s what I think has prompted so many peo= ple to ask to leave the list (after apparently ignoring so many messages = that they=E2=80=99ve now missed not one but two notes from the admin abou= t how to <u>actually</u><i> </i>leave the list), because that=E2=80=99s not what w= e=E2=80=99ve historically been here for. I=E2=80=99ve been on the list fo= r around 30 years and find it VERY valuable when I=E2=80=99m struggling w= ith a concept or have a job to post. This group has been cheerful and generous nearly all of the time. </span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt">=C2=A0</span></p>= <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt">I find it easy en= ough to delete emails that don=E2=80=99t apply to me, even on days like t= oday when there are over 20 posts to the list. For some reason all of the= messages to the list come to me overnight so they=E2=80=99re all in one nice bundle of messages that I can peruse each morning. </spa= n></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt">=C2=A0</span></p>= <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:9.0pt;font-family:&quo= t;Century Gothic",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Sarah Hargus Ferguson, P= hD, CCC-A</span></b><b><span style=3D"font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"C= entury Gothic",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"></span></b></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"C= entury Gothic",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Associate Professor</span><= /p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"C= entury Gothic",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Director of Graduate Studie= s, Audiology</span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"C= entury Gothic",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Pronouns: She/her/hers</spa= n></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"C= entury Gothic",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">=C2=A0</span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:9.0pt;font-family:&quo= t;Century Gothic",sans-serif;color:#AC162C">Department of Communicat= ion Sciences and Disorders</span></b></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"C= entury Gothic",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">=C2=A0</span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"C= entury Gothic",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><figure class=3D"attachment= attachment--placeholder"> <image001.png> </figure></span><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri= ",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"= Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">=C2=A0</span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"C= entury Gothic",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">I acknowledge that I live, = work, and recreate on the traditional and ancestral homeland of the Shosh= one, Paiute, Goshute, and Ute Tribes.</span><span style=3D"font-size:11.0= pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt">=C2=A0</span></p>= <div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0i= n 0in 0in"> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&qu= ot;Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:11.= 0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> AUDITORY - Research in A= uditory Perception <AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx> <b>On Behalf Of </b>JONATHAN SAUNDERS<br> <b>Sent:</b> Monday, April 14, 2025 10:52 PM<br> <b>To:</b> AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx<br> <b>Subject:</b> Re: [AUDITORY] better listserv tech</span></p> </div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0</p> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal">"This meeting (listserv) could have been an e= mail (fediverse instance)"</p> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0</p> </div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal">This is the space I work in now, and I think the s= tandard replacement would probably be discourse for a closed group, an ac= tivitypub instance for a semi-open group (e.g. with closed federation if = needed), or atproto appview for world-public group.</p> </div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0</p> </div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal">Happy to help keep an old group alive if that'= s what's needed at the moment :)</p> </div> </div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0</p> <div> <div class=3D"hey-bottom"><details class=3D"hey-quote"><summary></summary= ><span class=3D"hey-attribution"> On Mon, Apr 14, 2025, 21:36 Samuel Mehr <sam@xxxxxxxx> wrote:= </span> <blockquote style=3D"border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:= 0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in"> <div> <div> <div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt">Hi folks, I was thi= nking it would be cool if members of the Auditory list had more control o= ver what they see from the list and I wonder if there would be support fo= r moving it from the 'classic' listserv (a physical server, I think, someplace in Montr=C3=A9al) to something more = modern with user-level moderation tools. For example, the ability to mute= a thread while still seeing other messages to the list would be nice.<br= > <br> Awhile back Dan Ellis mentioned to me that some years ago there was discu= ssion of moving to a more modern server but some people didn't like t= he idea. This may be worth revisiting =E2=80=94 many of us find the Audit= ory list useful for recruiting students, crowdsourcing help for various esoteric questions, hearing about new papers, uniting a= rather disparate set of subfields, and so on, but the very outdated tech= of the listserv makes it more difficult than necessary to use and partic= ipate in.<br> <br> Sam</p> </div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal">=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94<br> Samuel Mehr<br> School of Psychology, University of Auckland<br> and Child Study Center, Yale University<br> <strong><span style=3D"font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif">Be a cit= izen scientist at </span> </strong><a href=3D"https://themusiclab.org/"><strong><span style=3D"font= -family:"Aptos",sans-serif">themusiclab.org</span></strong></a>= <strong><span style=3D"font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif">!</span>= </strong></p> </div> </div> </div> </div> </blockquote> </details></div></div> </div> </div> </div><br><br>=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94<br>Samuel Mehr<br>School of Psy= chology, University of Auckland<br>and Child Study Center, Yale Universit= y<br><strong>Be a citizen scientist at </strong><a href=3D"https://themus= iclab.org/"><strong>themusiclab.org</strong></a><strong>!</strong></block= quote> </div> </div> </body> </html> ----==_mimepart_67ff36f28aa81_bf1fdc01107c2--