Subject: Re: [AUDITORY] better listserv tech From: Marc <marcs@xxxxxxxx> Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2025 09:54:26 +0200Dear all, Three brief arguments against moving to a social media platform: - Stability: Email and listserv are old protocols, but they are stable = and unlikely to disappear. Most platforms that the list could have moved = to in the 90s, 2000s, and 2010s do not exist anymore. - Access: Every researcher and student at a university or scientific = institute gets an email address through their institution. Email is less = likely to be blocked by a country than a social network. - Ease of use: listserv provides user-level moderation (including = unsubscribe, as Dan reminded us a few days ago). In addition, all email = clients can filter and block messages by subject/thread. Other protocols = will have other complications ("Users have been slow to embrace the = Fediverse due to poor user experience and excessive complexity." -from = the Wikipedia entry). I think the old-timey and slower nature of email may have also insulated = us from undesirable aspects of social network platforms. But perhaps this is not what Dan meant at all in his comment to Sam. If = a newer list server is easier to administrate for him, I'd be all for = it.=20 Marc =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Dean, Dept of Life Sciences Professor of Neurobiology Department of Biology University of Leipzig Talstrasse 33 __o 04103 Leipzig _`\<,_ +493419736723 (+) / (+) & Department of Psychology University of Montreal Montreal, Quebec, Canada =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >=20 > On 15. Apr 2025, at 06:51, JONATHAN SAUNDERS <jommy@xxxxxxxx> wrote: >=20 > "This meeting (listserv) could have been an email (fediverse = instance)" >=20 > This is the space I work in now, and I think the standard replacement = would probably be discourse for a closed group, an activitypub instance = for a semi-open group (e.g. with closed federation if needed), or = atproto appview for world-public group. >=20 > Happy to help keep an old group alive if that's what's needed at the = moment :) >=20 >> On Mon, Apr 14, 2025, 21:36 Samuel Mehr <sam@xxxxxxxx> wrote: >> Hi folks, I was thinking it would be cool if members of the Auditory = list had more control over what they see from the list and I wonder if = there would be support for moving it from the 'classic' listserv (a = physical server, I think, someplace in Montr=C3=A9al) to something more = modern with user-level moderation tools. For example, the ability to = mute a thread while still seeing other messages to the list would be = nice. >>=20 >> Awhile back Dan Ellis mentioned to me that some years ago there was = discussion of moving to a more modern server but some people didn't like = the idea. This may be worth revisiting =E2=80=94 many of us find the = Auditory list useful for recruiting students, crowdsourcing help for = various esoteric questions, hearing about new papers, uniting a rather = disparate set of subfields, and so on, but the very outdated tech of the = listserv makes it more difficult than necessary to use and participate = in. >>=20 >> Sam >>=20 >> =E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94 >> Samuel Mehr >> School of Psychology, University of Auckland >> and Child Study Center, Yale University >> Be a citizen scientist at themusiclab.org!