Subject: Re: [AUDITORY] Silence from leaders in auditory science [please let us move on, hopefully we will] From: Jeremy Paul Donald Marozeau <Jeremy Paul Donald Marozeau> Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2025 14:35:29 +0000--_000_AM7P192MB0817C18C00F1D9CD02BB8975DAB32AM7P192MB0817EURP_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear Friends, Last week, I launched a survey on how our community is impacted by the curr= ent policy. If you haven't done so yet, you can still answer here. None of = the questions are mandatory, so if you want, you can just add a comment. https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSelcFjSXmURpN3fV3vQUUYvmTorqgEoJFH= eS_6o6jjWA8j0dw/viewform?usp=3Dheader I will leave the survey open until the end of this month, but you can see t= he temporary results here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Ucoehl-7G0CQAkHjqWSPHMfS4Ay023KC26Ed8iC= ahuM/edit?usp=3Dsharing It is a Google Doc that allows you to add a comment. So feel free to add an= ything, to criticize the method, to reject the paper, or anything that will= make you feel better. I won't comment on the results here, to respect the wishes of some people w= ho don't want to read anything unrelated to the non-linearity of the basila= r membrane, but I will just leave you with a quote from one of the particip= ants: "I am terrified!" Happy Monday everyone. Bisous, Jeremy PS: Sorry, I needed to resend this message due to some format issue, from m= y side. ________________________________ De : Jeremy Paul Donald Marozeau <jemaroz@xxxxxxxx> Envoy=E9 : dimanche, 6 avril 2025 13:18 =C0 : AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx <AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx> Objet : Re: Silence from leaders in auditory science [please let us move on= , hopefully we will] Dear Friends and colleagues, I think it is really important to openly discuss any topics, but it saddens= me to see this discussion moving toward division and confrontation. It's important to respect each other's opinions and try to understand them = better. Personally, I have some strong ones, mostly based on highly biased = media that I follow (I get most of my US news from Stephen Colbert and John= Stewart. Yes, it is biased, but at least I'm having fun). Anyway, it's time we act as scientists studying human perception. Based on = our biased observations, let's make hypotheses, collect data, and draw conc= lusions that may or may not require action. Based on what I've observed, I've formulated three hypotheses: 1. The US government will prevent some of us from studying specific topics. 2. Some researchers feel that their career development is impacted by this pol= icy. 3. Non-US citizens feel uneasy attending conferences in the US. If any of these hypotheses are supported, it places responsibility on resea= rchers from Non-US countries to: * Focus on the research topics our US colleagues cannot study; * Help out by reaching those in need; * Host international conferences outside the US. To test these hypotheses, I've created a Google form with simple, specific = questions and some open-ended questions for additional thoughts (instead of= the auditory list). https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSelcFjSXmURpN3fV3vQUUYvmTorqgEoJFH= eS_6o6jjWA8j0dw/viewform?usp=3Dheader [https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pig5KzKvID57Sykiwfiii-JQDJpaIhsjioqL2eiM= Kco2IuHKRN42aYukMDU0xOiVpUmPKN6mob2CIs4=3Dw1200-h630-p]<https://docs.google= .com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSelcFjSXmURpN3fV3vQUUYvmTorqgEoJFHeS_6o6jjWA8j0dw/vie= wform?usp=3Dheader> Auditory Survey<https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSelcFjSXmURpN3fV3v= QUUYvmTorqgEoJFHeS_6o6jjWA8j0dw/viewform?usp=3Dheader> The questionnaire was created to collect data on auditory scientists' perce= ptions of how US policy affects their work. To the best of my knowledge, th= e data are anonymized. docs.google.com The form does not require any identifiable information. I will publicly share all collected data openly. Anyone interested is also = welcome to become an administrator of the survey to add questions or access= the data. Jeremy --_000_AM7P192MB0817C18C00F1D9CD02BB8975DAB32AM7P192MB0817EURP_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <html> <head> <meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3Diso-8859-= 1"> <style type=3D"text/css" style=3D"display:none;"> P {margin-top:0;margin-bo= ttom:0;} </style> </head> <body dir=3D"ltr"> <div class=3D"elementToProof" style=3D"text-align: left; text-indent: 0px; = background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); margin: 0px; font-family: Aptos, Apto= s_EmbeddedFont, Aptos_MSFontService, Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-s= ize: 12pt; color: black;"> Dear Friends,</div> <div class=3D"elementToProof" style=3D"text-align: left; text-indent: 0px; = background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); margin: 0px; font-family: Aptos, Apto= s_EmbeddedFont, Aptos_MSFontService, Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-s= ize: 12pt; color: black;"> Last week, I launched a survey on how our community is impacted by the curr= ent policy. If you haven't done so yet, you can still answer here. 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So feel free to add an= ything, to criticize the method, to reject the paper, or anything that will= make you feel better.</div> <div class=3D"elementToProof" style=3D"direction: ltr; text-align: left; te= xt-indent: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); margin: 1.25em 0px 10= px; font-family: Aptos, Aptos_EmbeddedFont, Aptos_MSFontService, Calibri, H= elvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: black;"> I won't comment on the results here, to respect the wishes of some people w= ho don't want to read anything unrelated to the non-linearity of the basila= r membrane, but I will just leave you with a quote from one of the particip= ants: <i>"I am terrified!"</i></div> <div class=3D"elementToProof" style=3D"direction: ltr; text-align: left; te= xt-indent: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); margin: 1.25em 0px 10= px; font-family: Aptos, Aptos_EmbeddedFont, Aptos_MSFontService, Calibri, H= elvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: black;"> Happy Monday everyone.</div> <div class=3D"elementToProof" style=3D"text-align: left; text-indent: 0px; = background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); margin: 0px; font-family: Aptos, Apto= s_EmbeddedFont, Aptos_MSFontService, Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-s= ize: 12pt; color: black;"> Bisous,</div> <div class=3D"elementToProof" style=3D"text-align: left; text-indent: 0px; = background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); margin: 0px; font-family: Aptos, Apto= s_EmbeddedFont, Aptos_MSFontService, Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-s= ize: 12pt; color: black;"> Jeremy</div> <div class=3D"elementToProof" style=3D"text-align: left; text-indent: 0px; = background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); margin: 0px; font-family: Aptos, Apto= s_EmbeddedFont, Aptos_MSFontService, Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-s= ize: 12pt; color: black;"> <br> </div> <div class=3D"elementToProof" style=3D"text-align: left; text-indent: 0px; = background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); margin: 0px; font-family: Aptos, Apto= s_EmbeddedFont, Aptos_MSFontService, Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-s= ize: 12pt; color: black;"> PS: Sorry, I needed to resend this message due to some format issue, from m= y side. </div> <div class=3D"elementToProof" style=3D"font-family: Aptos, Aptos_EmbeddedFo= nt, Aptos_MSFontService, Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; c= olor: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> <br> </div> <div id=3D"appendonsend"></div> <hr style=3D"display:inline-block;width:98%" tabindex=3D"-1"> <div id=3D"divRplyFwdMsg" dir=3D"ltr"><font face=3D"Calibri, sans-serif" st= yle=3D"font-size:11pt" color=3D"#000000"><b>De :</b> Jeremy Paul Donald Mar= ozeau <jemaroz@xxxxxxxx><br> <b>Envoy=E9 :</b> dimanche, 6 avril 2025 13:18<br> <b>=C0 :</b> AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx <AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx><br> <b>Objet :</b> Re: Silence from leaders in auditory science [please let us = move on, hopefully we will]</font> <div> </div> </div> <style type=3D"text/css" style=3D"display:none"> <!-- p {margin-top:0; margin-bottom:0} --> </style> <div dir=3D"ltr"> <div class=3D"x_elementToProof" style=3D"margin-top:1em; margin-bottom:1em;= font-family:Aptos,Aptos_EmbeddedFont,Aptos_MSFontService,Calibri,Helvetica= ,sans-serif; font-size:12pt; color:rgb(0,0,0)"> Dear Friends and colleagues,</div> <div class=3D"x_elementToProof" style=3D"margin-top:1em; margin-bottom:1em;= font-family:Aptos,Aptos_EmbeddedFont,Aptos_MSFontService,Calibri,Helvetica= ,sans-serif; font-size:12pt; color:rgb(0,0,0)"> I think it is really important to openly discuss any topics, but it saddens= me to see this discussion moving toward division and confrontation.</div> <div class=3D"x_elementToProof" style=3D"margin-top:1em; margin-bottom:1em;= font-family:Aptos,Aptos_EmbeddedFont,Aptos_MSFontService,Calibri,Helvetica= ,sans-serif; font-size:12pt; color:rgb(0,0,0)"> It's important to respect each other's opinions and try to understand them = better. Personally, I have some strong ones, mostly based on highly biased = media that I follow (I get most of my US news from Stephen Colbert and John= Stewart. Yes, it is biased, but at least I'm having fun).</div> <div class=3D"x_elementToProof" style=3D"margin-top:1em; margin-bottom:1em;= font-family:Aptos,Aptos_EmbeddedFont,Aptos_MSFontService,Calibri,Helvetica= ,sans-serif; font-size:12pt; color:rgb(0,0,0)"> Anyway, it's time we act as scientists studying human perception. Based on = our biased observations, let's make hypotheses, collect data, and draw conc= lusions that may or may not require action.</div> <div class=3D"x_elementToProof" style=3D"margin-top:1em; margin-bottom:1em;= font-family:Aptos,Aptos_EmbeddedFont,Aptos_MSFontService,Calibri,Helvetica= ,sans-serif; font-size:12pt; color:rgb(0,0,0)"> Based on what I've observed, I've formulated three hypotheses:</div> <ol start=3D"1" data-spread=3D"false"> <li style=3D"font-family:Aptos,Aptos_EmbeddedFont,Aptos_MSFontService,Calib= ri,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size:12pt; color:rgb(0,0,0)"> <div style=3D"margin-top:1em; margin-bottom:1em">The US government will pre= vent some of us from studying specific topics.</div> </li><li style=3D"font-family:Aptos,Aptos_EmbeddedFont,Aptos_MSFontService,= Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size:12pt; color:rgb(0,0,0)"> <div style=3D"margin-top:1em; margin-bottom:1em">Some researchers feel that= their career development is impacted by this policy.</div> </li><li style=3D"font-family:Aptos,Aptos_EmbeddedFont,Aptos_MSFontService,= Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size:12pt; color:rgb(0,0,0)"> <div style=3D"margin-top:1em; margin-bottom:1em">Non-US citizens feel uneas= y attending conferences in the US.</div> </li></ol> <div class=3D"x_elementToProof" style=3D"margin-top:1em; margin-bottom:1em;= font-family:Aptos,Aptos_EmbeddedFont,Aptos_MSFontService,Calibri,Helvetica= ,sans-serif; font-size:12pt; color:rgb(0,0,0)"> If any of these hypotheses are supported, it places responsibility on resea= rchers from Non-US countries to:</div> <ul data-spread=3D"false"> <li style=3D"font-family:Aptos,Aptos_EmbeddedFont,Aptos_MSFontService,Calib= ri,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size:12pt; color:rgb(0,0,0)"> <div style=3D"margin-top:1em; margin-bottom:1em">Focus on the research topi= cs our US colleagues cannot study;</div> </li><li style=3D"font-family:Aptos,Aptos_EmbeddedFont,Aptos_MSFontService,= Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size:12pt; color:rgb(0,0,0)"> <div style=3D"margin-top:1em; margin-bottom:1em">Help out by reaching those= in need;</div> </li><li style=3D"font-family:Aptos,Aptos_EmbeddedFont,Aptos_MSFontService,= Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif; 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margin-bottom:12px"> <a target=3D"_blank" id=3D"LPUrlAnchor336329" href=3D"https://docs.google.c= om/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSelcFjSXmURpN3fV3vQUUYvmTorqgEoJFHeS_6o6jjWA8j0dw/viewf= orm?usp=3Dheader" style=3D"text-decoration:none">Auditory Survey</a></div> <div id=3D"LPDescription336329" style=3D"font-size:14px; max-height:100px; = color:rgb(102,102,102); font-family:wf_segoe-ui_normal,"Segoe UI"= ,"Segoe WP",Tahoma,Arial,sans-serif; margin-bottom:12px; margin-r= ight:8px; overflow:hidden"> The questionnaire was created to collect data on auditory scientists' perce= ptions of how US policy affects their work. To the best of my knowledge, th= e data are anonymized.</div> <div id=3D"LPMetadata336329" style=3D"font-size:14px; font-weight:400; colo= r:rgb(166,166,166); font-family:wf_segoe-ui_normal,"Segoe UI",&qu= ot;Segoe WP",Tahoma,Arial,sans-serif"> docs.google.com</div> </td> </tr> </tbody> </table> </div> </div> <div style=3D"font-family:Aptos,Aptos_EmbeddedFont,Aptos_MSFontService,Cali= bri,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size:12pt; color:rgb(0,0,0)"> <br> </div> </div> <div class=3D"x_elementToProof" style=3D"margin-top:1em; margin-bottom:1em;= font-family:Aptos,Aptos_EmbeddedFont,Aptos_MSFontService,Calibri,Helvetica= ,sans-serif; font-size:12pt; color:rgb(0,0,0)"> The form does not require any identifiable information.</div> <div class=3D"x_elementToProof" style=3D"margin-top:1em; margin-bottom:1em;= font-family:Aptos,Aptos_EmbeddedFont,Aptos_MSFontService,Calibri,Helvetica= ,sans-serif; font-size:12pt; color:rgb(0,0,0)"> I will publicly share all collected data openly. Anyone interested is also = welcome to become an administrator of the survey to add questions or access= the data.<br> <br> </div> <div class=3D"x_elementToProof" style=3D"margin-top:1em; margin-bottom:1em;= font-family:Aptos,Aptos_EmbeddedFont,Aptos_MSFontService,Calibri,Helvetica= ,sans-serif; font-size:12pt; color:rgb(0,0,0)"> Jeremy</div> <div class=3D"x_elementToProof" style=3D"font-family:Aptos,Aptos_EmbeddedFo= nt,Aptos_MSFontService,Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size:12pt; color:= rgb(0,0,0)"> <br> </div> <div style=3D"font-family:Aptos,Aptos_EmbeddedFont,Aptos_MSFontService,Cali= bri,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size:12pt; color:rgb(0,0,0)"> <br> </div> </div> </body> </html> --_000_AM7P192MB0817C18C00F1D9CD02BB8975DAB32AM7P192MB0817EURP_--