Re: [AUDITORY] Quality of discourse [was: Silence from leaders in auditory science] (Brian FG Katz )

Subject: Re: [AUDITORY] Quality of discourse [was: Silence from leaders in auditory science] From: Brian FG Katz <brian.katz@xxxxxxxx> Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2025 15:27:37 +0200 This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0539_01DBA89A.C259B310 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear all (who are still members of this list),=20 =20 I would like to say a few words, which are something of a paraphrasing = of things said in previous threads over the years for the same reason.=20 =20 This email list is an international community in auditory science in the = largest sense of the term. While there are events and questions of = national/regional interest that occur around the world, it behoves list = members to remember that fact. While the situation in the USA at present = is =E2=80=9Cdifficult=E2=80=9D (understatement), and those not in the = USA feel empathy for our colleagues, and may have certain stronger feels = toward the political decisions being made, they nevertheless remain = political decisions for which the international community are but = observers, without a vote. =20 I, for example, would not bring to this list a discussion on issues = currently being debated in France where large amounts of national = funding would be reserved for specific allocation to = =E2=80=9Ckeylabs=E2=80=9D, that is labs which are designated as the most = funded, most prolific (i.e. give those with money more money because = they are doing something =E2=80=9Cright=E2=80=9D), something which puts = all other researchers in the field at a disadvantage. It is a fight we = are having, but this list is not the forum, despite the numerous French = researchers on the list, other than to inform list members in other = countries of how things are evolving elsewhere.=20 =20 Several mentions have already been made of opportunities open to welcome = researchers in other countries, to help those who are so adventurous as = to leave the USA. This is a clear action by those countries and senior = scientists in response to the situation within their power, far from = silence. International participation in the =E2=80=9CStand Up for = Science=E2=80=9D movement in strong support of our American based = colleagues is another example of such empathy. I, myself, left the USA = 25 years ago as there was little hope already at that time in obtaining = funding in the areas of research that interested me. =20 =20 Mention has also been made of using better avenues for action and = national related discussions. There are no doubt numerous national = societies associated with various disciplines of list members where more = directed discussions would seem more appropriate.=20 =20 So, in summary, the calls to =E2=80=9CMove On=E2=80=9D are not to = disrespect the importance of the issue raised to those involved, but to = highlight that this is probably not the audience for = =E2=80=9Clocal=E2=80=9D political discussions, unless the intention is = to alienate those from outside.=20 =20 And with that, I will end my 2-cents worth. =20 -Brian -- Brian FG Katz, Research Director, CNRS Groupe Lutheries - Acoustique =E2=80=93 Musique Sorbonne Universit=C3=A9, CNRS, UMR 7190, Institut Jean Le Rond = =E2=88=82'Alembert=20 http://www.dalembert.upmc.fr/home/katz =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0539_01DBA89A.C259B310 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <html xmlns:v=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" = xmlns:o=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" = xmlns:w=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" = xmlns:m=3D"http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/2004/12/omml" = xmlns=3D"http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40"><head><meta = http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; charset=3Dutf-8"><meta = name=3DGenerator content=3D"Microsoft Word 15 (filtered = medium)"><style></style></head><body lang=3DEN-GB link=3Dblue = vlink=3Dpurple style=3D'word-wrap:break-word'><div = class=3DWordSection1>Dear all (who are still members of = this list), <o:p></o:p><o:p> </o:p>I would = like to say a few words, which are something of a paraphrasing of things = said in previous threads over the years for the same reason. = <o:p></o:p><o:p> </o:p>This email = list is an international community in auditory science in the largest = sense of the term. While there are events and questions of = national/regional interest that occur around the world, it behoves list = members to remember that fact. While the situation in the USA at present = is =E2=80=9Cdifficult=E2=80=9D (understatement), and those not in the = USA feel empathy for our colleagues, and may have certain stronger feels = toward the political decisions being made, they nevertheless remain = political decisions for which the international community are but = observers, without a vote.<o:p></o:p><o:p> </o:p>I, for = example, would not bring to this list a discussion on issues currently = being debated in France where large amounts of national funding would be = reserved for specific allocation to =E2=80=9Ckeylabs=E2=80=9D, that is = labs which are designated as the most funded, most prolific (i.e. give = those with money more money because they are doing something = =E2=80=9Cright=E2=80=9D), something which puts all other researchers in = the field at a disadvantage. It is a fight we are having, but this list = is not the forum, despite the numerous French researchers on the list, = other than to inform list members in other countries of how things are = evolving elsewhere. <o:p></o:p><o:p> </o:p>Several = mentions have already been made of opportunities open to welcome = researchers in other countries, to help those who are so adventurous as = to leave the USA. This is a clear action by those countries and senior = scientists in response to the situation within their power, far from = silence. International participation in the =E2=80=9CStand Up for = Science=E2=80=9D movement in strong support of our American based = colleagues is another example of such empathy. I, myself, left the USA = 25 years ago as there was little hope already at that time in obtaining = funding in the areas of research that interested me. = =C2=A0<o:p></o:p><o:p> </o:p>Mention has = also been made of using better avenues for action and national related = discussions. There are no doubt numerous national societies associated = with various disciplines of list members where more directed discussions = would seem more appropriate. <o:p></o:p><o:p> </o:p>So, in = summary, the calls to =E2=80=9CMove On=E2=80=9D are not to disrespect = the importance of the issue raised to those involved, but to highlight = that this is probably not the audience for =E2=80=9Clocal=E2=80=9D = political discussions, unless the intention is to alienate those from = outside. <o:p></o:p><o:p> </o:p>And with = that, I will end my 2-cents worth.<o:p></o:p><o:p> </o:p>-Brian<o:p></o:p>--<o:p></o:p>Brian FG Katz, Research = Director, CNRS<o:p></o:p>Groupe Lutheries - Acoustique = =E2=80=93 Musique<o:p></o:p>Sorbonne Universit=C3=A9, CNRS, = UMR 7190, Institut Jean Le Rond =E2=88=82'Alembert <o:p></o:p><a = href=3D"http://www.dalembert.upmc.fr/home/katz">http://www.dalembert.upmc= .fr/home/katz</a><o:p></o:p><o:p> </o:p></div></= body></html> ------=_NextPart_000_0539_01DBA89A.C259B310--

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