Subject: Re: [AUDITORY] Silence from leaders in auditory science From: Teichert, Tobias <"Teichert, Tobias"> Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2025 16:53:03 +0000--_000_SN6PR04MB542137FC2F29B34E6AD1857DA9A72SN6PR04MB5421namp_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear colleagues, Dear Doug, I recently had a discussion with a friend about who got rid of the supreme = court filibuster. We had different memories of the event, so I googled it a= nd confirmed what I remembered to be true. Far from settling the point, my = friend doubled down and told me that 'they' are all just lying. He just kne= w that he was right but was not able to tell me what sources he relied on s= o we could check them together. I later sent him an article about the case = from what I guessed was his favorite source of news which confirmed the ide= ntical course of events. (He then agreed with the basic facts, but moved on= to blame others in the 'bigger scheme of things') I wholeheartedly agree that it can be hard to identify the truth these days= . But to abandon the notion of a knowable truth is deeply disturbing to me,= especially coming from fellow scientists (other than quantum physicists...= ). Case in point, when I googled the Mark Twain quote that was referenced by D= oug, it turns out that much of the internet believes it to be a misattribut= ion. I certainly did not have time to confirm whether or not the source I f= ound (https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/mark-twain-read-newspaper-misinform= ed/) is correct or not, but I firmly believe that it is an answerable quest= ion if one were to put effort into it. As a funny aside, the page has the following quote: "[...] The aphorism was repeatedly used as a crutch for lazy columnists. Th= us emerges a meta-irony which Twain would undoubtedly have appreciated: new= spaper writers writing in newspapers about the unreliability of newspaper w= riting and citing an unreliable source to testify to that unreliability." If we believe that we live in a world where it is fundamentally not knowabl= e if Mark Twain ever wrote anything like it, then one would have to leave i= t at this and move on. If, on the other hand, we find ourselves turning to = our browsers to either confirm or disprove this information, then we must s= till believe in knowable truths. Happy googling! (I hope...) Cheers, Tobias -- Dr. Tobias Teichert Associate Professor of Psychiatry and Bioengineering University of Pittsburgh ________________________________ From: AUDITORY - Research in Auditory Perception <AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx>= on behalf of Emmanuel Ponsot <emmanuel.ponsot@xxxxxxxx> Sent: Monday, March 24, 2025 5:36 PM To: AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx <AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx> Subject: Re: [AUDITORY] Silence from leaders in auditory science [Some people who received this message don't often get email from emmanuel.= ponsot@xxxxxxxx Learn why this is important at https://aka.ms/LearnAboutSe= nderIdentification ] Dear colleagues, In this climate of fear and uncertainty, we first want to express our stron= g support for our American colleagues who are directly or indirectly affect= ed by the current attacks from the U.S. government on scientific freedom. It's certainly worth reaffirming our values as scientists, those that anima= te us beyond the hearing sciences community. These values are indeed those = espoused by the Stand Up for Science movement (https://nam12.safelinks.prot= ection.outlook.com/?url=3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Fstandupforscience.fr%2F&data=3D05%7= C02%7Cteichert%40PITT.EDU%7C94d13c6ecc624f759b1108dd6b56b482%7C9ef9f489e0a0= 4eeb87cc3a526112fd0d%7C1%7C0%7C638784742342135073%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8e= yJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIs= IldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=3Dh%2B4%2Ft9o%2BBVre0%2B0hjBfQ0ZnTaue7p= 1K8b%2FTQATn4I%2B8%3D&reserved=3D0<https://standupforscience.fr/>), to whic= h we lend our full support. They are also the values upheld by democratic n= ations where science can be conducted freely and without political interfer= ence. At the European level, various initiatives are emerging to provide structur= ed, in-person support and financial assistance for American researchers fac= ing these challenges, which we hope will be implemented quickly. For instan= ce, in France, the universities of Aix-Marseille (https://nam12.safelinks.p= rotection.outlook.com/?url=3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Fwww.univ-amu.fr%2Ffr%2Fpublic%2F= actualites%2Fsafe-place-science-aix-marseille-universite-prete-accueillir-l= es-scientifiques&data=3D05%7C02%7Cteichert%40PITT.EDU%7C94d13c6ecc624f759b1= 108dd6b56b482%7C9ef9f489e0a04eeb87cc3a526112fd0d%7C1%7C0%7C6387847423421550= 66%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAi= OiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=3D4o11kLYUz= 7a0braoLt26vS%2BHO92YYq0wrPpfwOZ52U8%3D&reserved=3D0<https://www.univ-amu.f= r/fr/public/actualites/safe-place-science-aix-marseille-universite-prete-ac= cueillir-les-scientifiques>), Lyon, and Paris-Sciences & Lettres have alrea= dy launched the first hosting initiatives, but other European institutions = and foundations are expected to come up with new proposals in the coming we= eks. For those of our community who feel threatened, and find it difficult to co= ntinue their research in their home countries amid severe attacks on academ= ic freedom =97 whether in the United States or other countries facing simil= ar issues =97 we encourage you to reach out to us in France or to other col= leagues at European universities or research institutions not only to explo= re potential job opportunities but also to discuss any immediate forms of a= ssistance and support that could be provided. Best, Nicolas Grimault, Mathieu Lavandier, Christian Lorenzi, Olivier Macherey, S= abine Meunier, Emmanuel Ponsot, L=E9o Varnet --_000_SN6PR04MB542137FC2F29B34E6AD1857DA9A72SN6PR04MB5421namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <html> <head> <meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3DWindows-1= 252"> <style type=3D"text/css" style=3D"display:none;"> P {margin-top:0;margin-bo= ttom:0;} </style> </head> <body dir=3D"ltr"> <div class=3D"elementToProof" style=3D"text-align: left; text-indent: 0px; = font-family: Aptos, Aptos_EmbeddedFont, Aptos_MSFontService, Calibri, Helve= tica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> Dear colleagues, Dear Doug,</div> <div class=3D"elementToProof" style=3D"text-align: left; text-indent: 0px; = font-family: Aptos, Aptos_EmbeddedFont, Aptos_MSFontService, Calibri, Helve= tica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> <br> </div> <div class=3D"elementToProof" style=3D"text-align: left; text-indent: 0px; = font-family: Aptos, Aptos_EmbeddedFont, Aptos_MSFontService, Calibri, Helve= tica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> I recently had a discussion with a friend about who got rid of the supreme = court filibuster. We had different memories of the event, so I googled it a= nd confirmed what I remembered to be true. Far from settling the point, my = friend doubled down and told me that 'they' are all just lying. He just knew that he was right but was not= able to tell me what sources he relied on so we could check them= together. I later sent him an article about the case from what I guessed w= as his favorite source of news which confirmed the identical course of events. (He then agreed with the basic facts, but = moved on to blame others in the 'bigger scheme of things')</div> <div class=3D"elementToProof" style=3D"text-align: left; text-indent: 0px; = font-family: Aptos, Aptos_EmbeddedFont, Aptos_MSFontService, Calibri, Helve= tica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> <br> </div> <div class=3D"elementToProof" style=3D"text-align: left; text-indent: 0px; = font-family: Aptos, Aptos_EmbeddedFont, Aptos_MSFontService, Calibri, Helve= tica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> I wholeheartedly agree that it can be hard to identify the truth these days= . But to abandon the notion of a knowable truth is deeply disturbing to me,= especially coming from fellow scientists (other than quantum physicists...= ). </div> <div class=3D"elementToProof" style=3D"text-align: left; text-indent: 0px; = font-family: Aptos, Aptos_EmbeddedFont, Aptos_MSFontService, Calibri, Helve= tica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> <br> </div> <div class=3D"elementToProof" style=3D"text-align: left; text-indent: 0px; = font-family: Aptos, Aptos_EmbeddedFont, Aptos_MSFontService, Calibri, Helve= tica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> Case in point, when I googled the Mark Twain quote that was referenced by D= oug, it turns out that much of the internet believes it to be a misattribut= ion. I certainly did not have time to confirm whether or not the source I f= ound (<span style=3D"color: rgb(17, 85, 204);"><a href=3D"https://www.snope= s.com/fact-check/mark-twain-read-newspaper-misinformed/" target=3D"_blank" = id=3D"OWA4dd8b3bd-60ac-1d4f-0e67-8aadd56470df" class=3D"OWAAutoLink" data-s= aferedirecturl=3D"https://www.google.com/url?q=3Dhttps://www.snopes.com/fac= t-check/mark-twain-read-newspaper-misinformed/&source=3Dgmail&ust= =3D1743007222419000&usg=3DAOvVaw1WZL6gw7c7B4rZqnptJ-UL" style=3D"color:= rgb(17, 85, 204);">https://www.snopes.com/fact-<wbr style=3D"color: rgb(17= , 85, 204);">check/mark-twain-read-<wbr style=3D"color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">= newspaper-misinformed/</a></span>) is correct or not, but I firmly believe that it is an answerable question = if one were to put effort into it. </div> <div class=3D"elementToProof" style=3D"text-align: left; text-indent: 0px; = font-family: Aptos, Aptos_EmbeddedFont, Aptos_MSFontService, Calibri, Helve= tica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> <br> </div> <div class=3D"elementToProof" style=3D"text-align: left; text-indent: 0px; = font-family: Aptos, Aptos_EmbeddedFont, Aptos_MSFontService, Calibri, Helve= tica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> As a funny aside, the page has the following quote:</div> <div class=3D"elementToProof" style=3D"text-align: left; text-indent: 0px; = font-family: Aptos, Aptos_EmbeddedFont, Aptos_MSFontService, Calibri, Helve= tica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> "[...] The aphorism was repeatedly used as a crutch for lazy columnist= s. Thus emerges a meta-irony which Twain would undoubtedly have appreciated= : newspaper writers writing in newspapers about the unreliability of newspa= per writing and citing an unreliable source to testify to that unreliability."</div> <div class=3D"elementToProof" style=3D"text-align: left; text-indent: 0px; = font-family: Aptos, Aptos_EmbeddedFont, Aptos_MSFontService, Calibri, Helve= tica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> <br> </div> <div class=3D"elementToProof" style=3D"text-align: left; text-indent: 0px; = font-family: Aptos, Aptos_EmbeddedFont, Aptos_MSFontService, Calibri, Helve= tica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> If we believe that we live in a world where it is fundamentally not knowabl= e if Mark Twain ever wrote anything like it, then one would have to le= ave it at this and move on. If, on the other hand, we find ourselves turnin= g to our browsers to either confirm or disprove this information, then we must still believe in knowable truths.&= nbsp;</div> <div class=3D"elementToProof" style=3D"text-align: left; text-indent: 0px; = font-family: Aptos, Aptos_EmbeddedFont, Aptos_MSFontService, Calibri, Helve= tica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> <br> </div> <div class=3D"elementToProof" style=3D"text-align: left; text-indent: 0px; = font-family: Aptos, Aptos_EmbeddedFont, Aptos_MSFontService, Calibri, Helve= tica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> Happy googling! (I hope...)</div> <div class=3D"elementToProof" style=3D"text-align: left; text-indent: 0px; = font-family: Aptos, Aptos_EmbeddedFont, Aptos_MSFontService, Calibri, Helve= tica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> <br> </div> <div class=3D"elementToProof" style=3D"text-align: left; text-indent: 0px; = font-family: Aptos, Aptos_EmbeddedFont, Aptos_MSFontService, Calibri, Helve= tica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> Cheers,</div> <div class=3D"elementToProof" style=3D"text-align: left; text-indent: 0px; = font-family: Aptos, Aptos_EmbeddedFont, Aptos_MSFontService, Calibri, Helve= tica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> Tobias</div> <div class=3D"elementToProof" style=3D"text-align: left; text-indent: 0px; = font-family: Aptos, Aptos_EmbeddedFont, Aptos_MSFontService, Calibri, Helve= tica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> <br> </div> <div class=3D"elementToProof" style=3D"text-align: left; text-indent: 0px; = font-family: Aptos, Aptos_EmbeddedFont, Aptos_MSFontService, Calibri, Helve= tica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> --</div> <div class=3D"elementToProof" style=3D"direction: ltr; text-align: left; te= xt-indent: 0px; font-family: Aptos, Aptos_EmbeddedFont, Aptos_MSFontService= , Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> Dr. Tobias Teichert<br> Associate Professor of Psychiatry and Bioengineering</div> <div class=3D"elementToProof" style=3D"direction: ltr; text-align: left; te= xt-indent: 0px; font-family: Aptos, Aptos_EmbeddedFont, Aptos_MSFontService= , Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> University of Pittsburgh</div> <div class=3D"elementToProof" style=3D"font-family: Aptos, Aptos_EmbeddedFo= nt, Aptos_MSFontService, Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; c= olor: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> <br> </div> <div id=3D"appendonsend"></div> <hr style=3D"display:inline-block;width:98%" tabindex=3D"-1"> <div id=3D"divRplyFwdMsg" dir=3D"ltr"><font face=3D"Calibri, sans-serif" st= yle=3D"font-size:11pt" color=3D"#000000"><b>From:</b> AUDITORY - Research i= n Auditory Perception <AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx> on behalf of Emmanue= l Ponsot <emmanuel.ponsot@xxxxxxxx><br> <b>Sent:</b> Monday, March 24, 2025 5:36 PM<br> <b>To:</b> AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx <AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx><br> <b>Subject:</b> Re: [AUDITORY] Silence from leaders in auditory science</fo= nt> <div> </div> </div> <div class=3D"BodyFragment"><font size=3D"2"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;= "> <div class=3D"PlainText">[Some people who received this message don't often= get email from emmanuel.ponsot@xxxxxxxx Learn why this is important at <a href=3D"https://aka.ms/LearnAboutSenderIdentification">https://aka.ms/Le= arnAboutSenderIdentification</a> ]<br> <br> Dear colleagues,<br> <br> In this climate of fear and uncertainty, we first want to express our stron= g support for our American colleagues who are directly or indirectly affect= ed by the current attacks from the U.S. government on scientific freedom.<b= r> <br> It's certainly worth reaffirming our values as scientists, those that anima= te us beyond the hearing sciences community. These values are indeed those = espoused by the Stand Up for Science movement (<a href=3D"https://standupfo= rscience.fr/">https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=3Dhttps%3= A%2F%2Fstandupforscience.fr%2F&data=3D05%7C02%7Cteichert%40PITT.EDU%7C9= 4d13c6ecc624f759b1108dd6b56b482%7C9ef9f489e0a04eeb87cc3a526112fd0d%7C1%7C0%= 7C638784742342135073%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOi= IwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C= &sdata=3Dh%2B4%2Ft9o%2BBVre0%2B0hjBfQ0ZnTaue7p1K8b%2FTQATn4I%2B8%3D&= ;reserved=3D0</a>), to which we lend our full support. They are also the values upheld by demo= cratic nations where science can be conducted freely and without political = interference.<br> At the European level, various initiatives are emerging to provide structur= ed, in-person support and financial assistance for American researchers fac= ing these challenges, which we hope will be implemented quickly. For instan= ce, in France, the universities of Aix-Marseille (<a href=3D"https://www.univ-amu.fr/fr/public/actualites/= safe-place-science-aix-marseille-universite-prete-accueillir-les-scientifiq= ues">https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Fww= w.univ-amu.fr%2Ffr%2Fpublic%2Factualites%2Fsafe-place-science-aix-marseille= -universite-prete-accueillir-les-scientifiques&data=3D05%7C02%7Cteicher= t%40PITT.EDU%7C94d13c6ecc624f759b1108dd6b56b482%7C9ef9f489e0a04eeb87cc3a526= 112fd0d%7C1%7C0%7C638784742342155066%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcG= kiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D= %3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=3D4o11kLYUz7a0braoLt26vS%2BHO92YYq0wrPpfwOZ52U8%= 3D&reserved=3D0</a>), Lyon, and Paris-Sciences & Lettres have already launched the first hos= ting initiatives, but other European institutions and foundations are expec= ted to come up with new proposals in the coming weeks.<br> For those of our community who feel threatened, and find it difficult to co= ntinue their research in their home countries amid severe attacks on academ= ic freedom =97 whether in the United States or other countries facing simil= ar issues =97 we encourage you to reach out to us in France or to other colleagues at European universities or res= earch institutions not only to explore potential job opportunities but also= to discuss any immediate forms of assistance and support that could be pro= vided.<br> <br> Best,<br> <br> Nicolas Grimault, Mathieu Lavandier, Christian Lorenzi, Olivier Macherey, S= abine Meunier, Emmanuel Ponsot, L=E9o Varnet<br> </div> </span></font></div> </body> </html> --_000_SN6PR04MB542137FC2F29B34E6AD1857DA9A72SN6PR04MB5421namp_--