Subject: Re: [AUDITORY] Silence from leaders in auditory science From: Pierre Divenyi <pdivenyi@xxxxxxxx> Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2025 22:51:41 -0700--Apple-Mail-BA76E352-3617-42B9-8A9E-C974BCC9586D Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D= utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto"><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF<meta http-equiv=3D= "content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3Dutf-8">Hi all of you,<div><br= ></div><div>I am a retired hearing scientist and I concur with everything Je= remy proposes. I would also urge the elected heads of our various groups to g= et together and publish a forceful joint statement condemning the Administra= tion=E2=80=99s moves to essentially dissolve our community. Go and resist wi= th all your force, dear colleagues of mine!</div><div><br></div><div>Pierre D= ivenyi</div><div><br></div><div>PS: I have lived under dictatorships and rec= ognize one when I see it, like the one currently unfolding in Wahington.<br i= d=3D"lineBreakAtBeginningOfSignature"><div dir=3D"ltr"><blockquote type=3D"c= ite"><br>On Mar 20, 2025, at 21:29, Jeremy Paul Donald Marozeau <000000aa= e0ca5ce5-dmarc-request@xxxxxxxx> wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div>= <blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF <meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3Dutf-8"> <div class=3D"elementToProof" style=3D"text-align: left; text-indent: 0px; b= ackground-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); margin: 0px; font-family: Aptos, Aptos_= EmbeddedFont, Aptos_MSFontService, Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size= : 11pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> Dear friends and colleagues,</div> <div class=3D"elementToProof" style=3D"text-align: left; text-indent: 0px; b= ackground-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); margin: 0px; font-family: Aptos, Aptos_= EmbeddedFont, Aptos_MSFontService, Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size= : 11pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> <br> </div> <div class=3D"elementToProof" style=3D"text-align: left; text-indent: 0px; b= ackground-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); margin: 0px; font-family: Aptos, Aptos_= EmbeddedFont, Aptos_MSFontService, Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size= : 11pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> Thank you, Perry, for starting this important discussion.</div> <div class=3D"elementToProof" style=3D"text-align: left; text-indent: 0px; b= ackground-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); margin: 0px; font-family: Aptos, Aptos_= EmbeddedFont, Aptos_MSFontService, Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size= : 11pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> <br> </div> <div class=3D"elementToProof" style=3D"text-align: left; text-indent: 0px; b= ackground-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); margin: 0px; font-family: Aptos, Aptos_= EmbeddedFont, Aptos_MSFontService, Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size= : 11pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> As a European who is no longer young and will soon be a senior scientist wit= h strong family ties to the US, I am also deeply concerned about the situati= on, both emotionally and intellectually.</div> <div class=3D"elementToProof" style=3D"text-align: left; text-indent: 0px; b= ackground-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); margin: 0px; font-family: Aptos, Aptos_= EmbeddedFont, Aptos_MSFontService, Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size= : 11pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> <br> </div> <div class=3D"elementToProof" style=3D"text-align: left; text-indent: 0px; b= ackground-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); margin: 0px; font-family: Aptos, Aptos_= EmbeddedFont, Aptos_MSFontService, Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size= : 11pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> I agree that we should not wait quietly and see. And this is despite the thr= eat. Today, I read that a French scientist was banned from entering the US f= or a conference because he exchanged some opinions against Trump with collea= gues in private messages.</div> <div class=3D"elementToProof" style=3D"text-align: left; text-indent: 0px; b= ackground-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); margin: 0px; font-family: Aptos, Aptos_= EmbeddedFont, Aptos_MSFontService, Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size= : 11pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> <br> </div> <div class=3D"elementToProof" style=3D"text-align: left; text-indent: 0px; b= ackground-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); margin: 0px; font-family: Aptos, Aptos_= EmbeddedFont, Aptos_MSFontService, Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size= : 11pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> You can read about it here:</div> <div class=3D"elementToProof" style=3D"text-align: left; text-indent: 0px; b= ackground-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); margin: 0px; font-family: Aptos, Aptos_= EmbeddedFont, Aptos_MSFontService, Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size= : 11pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> https://www.nytimes.com/2025/03/20/world/europe/us-france-scientist-entry-tr= ump-messages.html</div> <div class=3D"elementToProof" style=3D"text-align: left; text-indent: 0px; b= ackground-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); margin: 0px; font-family: Aptos, Aptos_= EmbeddedFont, Aptos_MSFontService, Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size= : 11pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> <br> </div> <div class=3D"elementToProof" style=3D"text-align: left; text-indent: 0px; b= ackground-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); margin: 0px; font-family: Aptos, Aptos_= EmbeddedFont, Aptos_MSFontService, Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size= : 11pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> For some other personal reasons, I am not planning to travel to the US in th= e coming months. Nevertheless, I am glad, as I wouldn't have been comfortabl= e going to a country where some of my colleagues can't enter because of thei= r political views or simply because of where they lived.</div> <div class=3D"elementToProof" style=3D"text-align: left; text-indent: 0px; b= ackground-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); margin: 0px; font-family: Aptos, Aptos_= EmbeddedFont, Aptos_MSFontService, Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size= : 11pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> <br> </div> <div class=3D"elementToProof" style=3D"text-align: left; text-indent: 0px; b= ackground-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); margin: 0px; font-family: Aptos, Aptos_= EmbeddedFont, Aptos_MSFontService, Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size= : 11pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> https://www.reuters.com/world/countries-considered-trumps-potential-new-trav= el-ban-2025-03-15/</div> <div class=3D"elementToProof" style=3D"text-align: left; text-indent: 0px; b= ackground-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); margin: 0px; font-family: Aptos, Aptos_= EmbeddedFont, Aptos_MSFontService, Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size= : 11pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> <br> </div> <div class=3D"elementToProof" style=3D"text-align: left; text-indent: 0px; b= ackground-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); margin: 0px; font-family: Aptos, Aptos_= EmbeddedFont, Aptos_MSFontService, Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size= : 11pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> I would like to propose to our community to consider relocating all US confe= rences to venues in more welcoming countries, like Canada, Mexico, France or= anywhere else beside Russia. It will cost more for our US colleagues to tra= vel outside the country, but I am sure that the difference could be made up just by bringing back a coup= le of packs of eggs.</div> <div class=3D"elementToProof" style=3D"text-align: left; text-indent: 0px; b= ackground-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); margin: 0px; font-family: Aptos, Aptos_= EmbeddedFont, Aptos_MSFontService, Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size= : 11pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> <br> </div> <div class=3D"elementToProof" style=3D"text-align: left; text-indent: 0px; b= ackground-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); margin: 0px; font-family: Aptos, Aptos_= EmbeddedFont, Aptos_MSFontService, Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size= : 11pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> All the best to my dearest US friends for the coming years.</div> <div class=3D"elementToProof" style=3D"text-align: left; text-indent: 0px; b= ackground-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); margin: 0px; font-family: Aptos, Aptos_= EmbeddedFont, Aptos_MSFontService, Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size= : 11pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> <br> </div> <div class=3D"elementToProof" style=3D"text-align: left; text-indent: 0px; b= ackground-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); margin: 0px; font-family: Aptos, Aptos_= EmbeddedFont, Aptos_MSFontService, Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size= : 11pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> #AROinTijuana</div> <div class=3D"elementToProof" style=3D"text-align: left; text-indent: 0px; b= ackground-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); margin: 0px; font-family: Aptos, Aptos_= EmbeddedFont, Aptos_MSFontService, Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size= : 11pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> <br> </div> <div class=3D"elementToProof" style=3D"text-align: left; text-indent: 0px; b= ackground-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); margin: 0px; font-family: Aptos, Aptos_= EmbeddedFont, Aptos_MSFontService, Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size= : 11pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> Jeremy</div> <div class=3D"elementToProof" style=3D"text-align: left; text-indent: 0px; b= ackground-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); margin: 0px; font-family: Aptos, Aptos_= EmbeddedFont, Aptos_MSFontService, Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size= : 11pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> <br> </div> <div class=3D"elementToProof" style=3D"text-align: left; text-indent: 0px; b= ackground-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); margin: 0px; font-family: Aptos, Aptos_= EmbeddedFont, Aptos_MSFontService, Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size= : 11pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> PS: If you are a US customs agent reading this message and trying to decide i= f you would like to let me into the country, please send me back, as I think= that Trump is a heartless piece of shit who has no empathy for any human be= ing except himself.</div> <div style=3D"background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); margin: 0px;"></div> <hr style=3D"text-align: left; text-indent: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 2= 55, 255); display: inline-block; width: 1111.12px;"> <div style=3D"background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); margin: 0px;"> <div class=3D"elementToProof" style=3D"direction: ltr; font-family: Calibri,= sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> <b>From:</b> AUDITORY - Research in Auditory Perception <AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx= STS.MCGILL.CA> on behalf of Petter Kallioinen <000001c5645d28b7-dmarc-= request@xxxxxxxx><br> <b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, March 19, 2025 9:25 AM<br> <b>To:</b> AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx <AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx><br= > <b>Subject:</b> [EXTERNAL] Re: Silence from leaders in auditory science= </div> <div class=3D"elementToProof" style=3D"direction: ltr; margin: 0px; font-fam= ily: "Segoe UI", "Segoe UI Web (West European)", -apple-= system, BlinkMacSystemFont, Roboto, "Helvetica Neue", sans-serif; f= ont-size: 15px; color: rgb(36, 36, 36);"> </div> </div> <div style=3D"background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); margin: 0px;"> <div class=3D"elementToProof" style=3D"text-align: left; text-indent: 0px; m= argin: 0px; font-family: "Segoe UI", "Segoe UI Web (West Euro= pean)", -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, Roboto, "Helvetica Neue= ", sans-serif; font-size: 15px; color: rgb(36, 36, 36);"> <br> </div> <div class=3D"elementToProof" style=3D"text-align: left; text-indent: 0px; m= argin: 0px; font-family: "Segoe UI", "Segoe UI Web (West Euro= pean)", -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, Roboto, "Helvetica Neue= ", sans-serif; font-size: 15px; color: rgb(36, 36, 36);"> Dear Auditory list,</div> <div class=3D"elementToProof" style=3D"text-align: left; text-indent: 0px; m= argin: 0px; font-family: "Segoe UI", "Segoe UI Web (West Euro= pean)", -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, Roboto, "Helvetica Neue= ", sans-serif; font-size: 15px; color: rgb(36, 36, 36);"> I am writing from Stockholm following what I take to be the fall of American= democracy. My advice is to not the resist the urgency of this situation and= not hope for the best. What I would suggest is for everyone to minimize the= ir ordinary work on a stable level and put as much effort as possible into organising resistance to this= coup. Everyone!</div> <div class=3D"elementToProof" style=3D"text-align: left; text-indent: 0px; m= argin: 0px; font-family: "Segoe UI", "Segoe UI Web (West Euro= pean)", -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, Roboto, "Helvetica Neue= ", sans-serif; font-size: 15px; color: rgb(36, 36, 36);"> <br> </div> <div class=3D"elementToProof" style=3D"text-align: left; text-indent: 0px; m= argin: 0px; font-family: "Segoe UI", "Segoe UI Web (West Euro= pean)", -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, Roboto, "Helvetica Neue= ", sans-serif; font-size: 15px; color: rgb(36, 36, 36);"> My experience with activism tells me that rather than waiting for a perfect p= lan, leaders etc, you should activate yourself immeadately, organize in dedi= cated groups and try different routes. Use existing platforms of authority a= nd organisation such as the universities, find allies, take part in mass mobilisation, write opinion pi= eces, be loud and disruptive, consider civil disobedience. In short take a s= trong stand going outside of ordinary norms in a way that communicates the u= rgency and abnormality of the situation. Research on uprisings (Erica Chenoweth) suggests that the size o= f mobilisation is crucial. </div> <div class=3D"elementToProof" style=3D"text-align: left; text-indent: 0px; m= argin: 0px; font-family: "Segoe UI", "Segoe UI Web (West Euro= pean)", -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, Roboto, "Helvetica Neue= ", sans-serif; font-size: 15px; color: rgb(36, 36, 36);"> <br> </div> <div class=3D"elementToProof" style=3D"text-align: left; text-indent: 0px; m= argin: 0px; font-family: "Segoe UI", "Segoe UI Web (West Euro= pean)", -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, Roboto, "Helvetica Neue= ", sans-serif; font-size: 15px; color: rgb(36, 36, 36);"> Don't be too afraid of repression even if it is likely coming your way. Comp= lying in advance and being silent won't be rewarded.</div> <div class=3D"elementToProof" style=3D"text-align: left; text-indent: 0px; m= argin: 0px; font-family: "Segoe UI", "Segoe UI Web (West Euro= pean)", -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, Roboto, "Helvetica Neue= ", sans-serif; font-size: 15px; color: rgb(36, 36, 36);"> <br> </div> <div class=3D"elementToProof" style=3D"text-align: left; text-indent: 0px; m= argin: 0px; font-family: "Segoe UI", "Segoe UI Web (West Euro= pean)", -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, Roboto, "Helvetica Neue= ", sans-serif; font-size: 15px; color: rgb(36, 36, 36);"> It is weird to write these things to the Auditory list, but these are the ti= mes. I wish you the best of luck with stopping Trumpism and we will do our b= est in Europe to support you. </div> <div class=3D"elementToProof" style=3D"text-align: left; text-indent: 0px; m= argin: 0px; font-family: "Segoe UI", "Segoe UI Web (West Euro= pean)", -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, Roboto, "Helvetica Neue= ", sans-serif; font-size: 15px; color: rgb(36, 36, 36);"> <br> </div> <div class=3D"elementToProof" style=3D"text-align: left; text-indent: 0px; m= argin: 0px; font-family: "Segoe UI", "Segoe UI Web (West Euro= pean)", -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, Roboto, "Helvetica Neue= ", sans-serif; font-size: 15px; color: rgb(36, 36, 36);"> /Petter Kallioinen, cognitive neuroscientist and climate activist</div> <div class=3D"elementToProof" style=3D"text-align: left; text-indent: 0px; m= argin: 0px; font-family: "Segoe UI", "Segoe UI Web (West Euro= pean)", -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, Roboto, "Helvetica Neue= ", sans-serif; font-size: 15px; color: rgb(36, 36, 36);"> <br> </div> <div class=3D"elementToProof" style=3D"text-align: left; text-indent: 0px; m= argin: 0px; font-family: "Segoe UI", "Segoe UI Web (West Euro= pean)", -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, Roboto, "Helvetica Neue= ", sans-serif; font-size: 15px; color: rgb(36, 36, 36);"> <br> </div> <div class=3D"elementToProof" style=3D"text-align: left; font-family: "= Segoe UI", "Segoe UI Web (West European)", -apple-system, Bli= nkMacSystemFont, Roboto, "Helvetica Neue", sans-serif; font-size: 1= 5px; color: rgb(36, 36, 36);"> <br> </div> <div class=3D"elementToProof" style=3D"text-align: left; text-indent: 0px; m= argin: 0px; font-family: "Segoe UI", "Segoe UI Web (West Euro= pean)", -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, Roboto, "Helvetica Neue= ", sans-serif; font-size: 15px; color: rgb(36, 36, 36);"> <br> </div> <blockquote> <div class=3D"elementToProof" style=3D"text-align: left; text-indent: 0px; m= argin: 0px; font-family: "Segoe UI", "Segoe UI Web (West Euro= pean)", -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, Roboto, "Helvetica Neue= ", sans-serif; font-size: 15px; color: rgb(36, 36, 36);"> On 18 Mar 2025, at 08:16, Gunter Kreutz <gunter.kreutz@xxxxxxxx> wrot= e:</div> <div class=3D"elementToProof" style=3D"text-align: left; font-family: "= Segoe UI", "Segoe UI Web (West European)", -apple-system, Bli= nkMacSystemFont, Roboto, "Helvetica Neue", sans-serif; font-size: 1= 5px; color: rgb(36, 36, 36);"> <br> </div> <div class=3D"elementToProof" style=3D"direction: ltr; text-align: left; tex= t-indent: 0px; margin: 0px; font-family: "Segoe UI", "Segoe U= I Web (West European)", -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, Roboto, &quo= t;Helvetica Neue", sans-serif; font-size: 15px; color: rgb(36, 36, 36);= "> Dear list,</div> <div class=3D"elementToProof" style=3D"direction: ltr; text-align: left; tex= t-indent: 0px; margin: 0px; font-family: "Segoe UI", "Segoe U= I Web (West European)", -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, Roboto, &quo= t;Helvetica Neue", sans-serif; font-size: 15px; color: rgb(36, 36, 36);= "> <br> </div> <div class=3D"elementToProof" style=3D"direction: ltr; text-align: left; tex= t-indent: 0px; margin: 0px; font-family: "Segoe UI", "Segoe U= I Web (West European)", -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, Roboto, &quo= t;Helvetica Neue", sans-serif; font-size: 15px; color: rgb(36, 36, 36);= "> the brutal reality is that the US administration has declared war on its dem= ocratic institutions, the legal system, the media, the checks and balances s= ystem, social security, science and humanities, and above all it (and that i= s not Trump alone, but equally the "masterminds" of the heritage foundation) declared war on the values sh= ared by the so-called free world. - Is this exaggerated?</div> <div class=3D"elementToProof" style=3D"direction: ltr; text-align: left; tex= t-indent: 0px; margin: 0px; font-family: "Segoe UI", "Segoe U= I Web (West European)", -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, Roboto, &quo= t;Helvetica Neue", sans-serif; font-size: 15px; color: rgb(36, 36, 36);= "> <br> </div> <div class=3D"elementToProof" style=3D"direction: ltr; text-align: left; tex= t-indent: 0px; margin: 0px; font-family: "Segoe UI", "Segoe U= I Web (West European)", -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, Roboto, &quo= t;Helvetica Neue", sans-serif; font-size: 15px; color: rgb(36, 36, 36);= "> Who could blame young US scientists to consider their future in Canada, Brit= ain, the Far East, or in the EU?</div> <div class=3D"elementToProof" style=3D"direction: ltr; text-align: left; tex= t-indent: 0px; margin: 0px; font-family: "Segoe UI", "Segoe U= I Web (West European)", -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, Roboto, &quo= t;Helvetica Neue", sans-serif; font-size: 15px; color: rgb(36, 36, 36);= "> <br> </div> <div class=3D"elementToProof" style=3D"direction: ltr; text-align: left; tex= t-indent: 0px; margin: 0px; font-family: "Segoe UI", "Segoe U= I Web (West European)", -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, Roboto, &quo= t;Helvetica Neue", sans-serif; font-size: 15px; color: rgb(36, 36, 36);= "> Sorry for being off-topic. I wholeheartedly support and applaud to scientist= s standing up and rally, wherever there is need to do so. But it seems to ha= ppen in a strange atmosphere as it becomes evident that the protection of de= mocratic rights is crumbling. And the country where this is happening is not a small republic on the Balk= an.</div> <div class=3D"elementToProof" style=3D"direction: ltr; text-align: left; tex= t-indent: 0px; margin: 0px; font-family: "Segoe UI", "Segoe U= I Web (West European)", -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, Roboto, &quo= t;Helvetica Neue", sans-serif; font-size: 15px; color: rgb(36, 36, 36);= "> <br> </div> <div class=3D"elementToProof" style=3D"direction: ltr; text-align: left; tex= t-indent: 0px; margin: 0px; font-family: "Segoe UI", "Segoe U= I Web (West European)", -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, Roboto, &quo= t;Helvetica Neue", sans-serif; font-size: 15px; color: rgb(36, 36, 36);= "> Sorry also for having no suggestions for how to do better service to young r= esearchers that getting rid of the current US admin ASAP. The whole world wi= ll hold its breath what the next US administration will look like and whethe= r they will be able to restore the - in my view - inevitable brain drain that will hurt the US hearing sci= ences in the meantime, I am afraid. </div> <div class=3D"elementToProof" style=3D"direction: ltr; text-align: left; tex= t-indent: 0px; margin: 0px; font-family: "Segoe UI", "Segoe U= I Web (West European)", -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, Roboto, &quo= t;Helvetica Neue", sans-serif; font-size: 15px; color: rgb(36, 36, 36);= "> <br> </div> <div class=3D"elementToProof" style=3D"direction: ltr; text-align: left; tex= t-indent: 0px; margin: 0px; font-family: "Segoe UI", "Segoe U= I Web (West European)", -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, Roboto, &quo= t;Helvetica Neue", sans-serif; font-size: 15px; color: rgb(36, 36, 36);= "> Slava Ukraine</div> <div class=3D"elementToProof" style=3D"direction: ltr; text-align: left; tex= t-indent: 0px; margin: 0px; font-family: "Segoe UI", "Segoe U= I Web (West European)", -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, Roboto, &quo= t;Helvetica Neue", sans-serif; font-size: 15px; color: rgb(36, 36, 36);= "> <br> </div> <div class=3D"elementToProof" style=3D"direction: ltr; text-align: left; tex= t-indent: 0px; margin: 0px; font-family: "Segoe UI", "Segoe U= I Web (West European)", -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, Roboto, &quo= t;Helvetica Neue", sans-serif; font-size: 15px; color: rgb(36, 36, 36);= "> Gunter</div> <div class=3D"elementToProof" style=3D"direction: ltr; text-align: left; tex= t-indent: 0px; margin: 0px; font-family: "Segoe UI", "Segoe U= I Web (West European)", -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, Roboto, &quo= t;Helvetica Neue", sans-serif; font-size: 15px; color: rgb(36, 36, 36);= "> <br> </div> <div class=3D"elementToProof" style=3D"direction: ltr; text-align: left; tex= t-indent: 0px; margin: 0px; font-family: "Segoe UI", "Segoe U= I Web (West European)", -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, Roboto, &quo= t;Helvetica Neue", sans-serif; font-size: 15px; color: rgb(36, 36, 36);= "> <br> </div> <div class=3D"elementToProof" style=3D"direction: ltr; text-align: left; tex= t-indent: 0px; margin: 0px; font-family: "Segoe UI", "Segoe U= I Web (West European)", -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, Roboto, &quo= t;Helvetica Neue", sans-serif; font-size: 15px; color: rgb(36, 36, 36);= "> <br> </div> <div class=3D"elementToProof" style=3D"direction: ltr; text-align: left; tex= t-indent: 0px; margin: 0px; font-family: "Segoe UI", "Segoe U= I Web (West European)", -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, Roboto, &quo= t;Helvetica Neue", sans-serif; font-size: 15px; color: rgb(36, 36, 36);= "> <br> </div> <div class=3D"elementToProof" style=3D"direction: ltr; text-align: left; tex= t-indent: 0px; margin: 0px; font-family: "Segoe UI", "Segoe U= I Web (West European)", -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, Roboto, &quo= t;Helvetica Neue", sans-serif; font-size: 15px; color: rgb(36, 36, 36);= "> <br> </div> <div class=3D"elementToProof" style=3D"direction: ltr; text-align: left; tex= t-indent: 0px; margin: 0px; font-family: "Segoe UI", "Segoe U= I Web (West European)", -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, Roboto, &quo= t;Helvetica Neue", sans-serif; font-size: 15px; color: rgb(36, 36, 36);= "> <br> </div> <div class=3D"elementToProof" style=3D"direction: ltr; text-align: left; tex= t-indent: 0px; margin: 0px; font-family: "Segoe UI", "Segoe U= I Web (West European)", -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, Roboto, &quo= t;Helvetica Neue", sans-serif; font-size: 15px; color: rgb(36, 36, 36);= "> <br> </div> <div class=3D"elementToProof" style=3D"direction: ltr; text-align: left; tex= t-indent: 0px; margin: 0px; font-family: "Segoe UI", "Segoe U= I Web (West European)", -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, Roboto, &quo= t;Helvetica Neue", sans-serif; font-size: 15px; color: rgb(36, 36, 36);= "> <br> </div> <div class=3D"elementToProof" style=3D"direction: ltr; text-align: left; tex= t-indent: 0px; margin: 0px; font-family: "Segoe UI", "Segoe U= I Web (West European)", -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, Roboto, &quo= t;Helvetica Neue", sans-serif; font-size: 15px; color: rgb(36, 36, 36);= "> <br> </div> <div class=3D"elementToProof" style=3D"direction: ltr; text-align: left; tex= t-indent: 0px; margin: 0px; font-family: "Segoe UI", "Segoe U= I Web (West European)", -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, Roboto, &quo= t;Helvetica Neue", sans-serif; font-size: 15px; color: rgb(36, 36, 36);= "> <br> </div> <div class=3D"elementToProof" style=3D"text-align: left; margin-right: 0px; m= argin-left: 0px; font-family: "Segoe UI", "Segoe UI Web (West= European)", -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, Roboto, "Helvetica= Neue", sans-serif; font-size: 15px; color: rgb(36, 36, 36);"> <br> </div> <div class=3D"elementToProof" style=3D"direction: ltr; text-align: left; tex= t-indent: 0px; margin: 0px; font-family: "Segoe UI", "Segoe U= I Web (West European)", -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, Roboto, &quo= t;Helvetica Neue", sans-serif; font-size: 15px; color: rgb(36, 36, 36);= "> Am Di., 18. M=C3=A4rz 2025 um 05:29 Uhr schrieb Sarah Creel <<a href= =3D"mailto:000001009817b89f-dmarc-request@xxxxxxxx" id=3D"OWA4e4ec1ad= -0b29-3b02-e638-411341ef0987" class=3D"OWAAutoLink" title=3D"mailto:00000100= 9817b89f-dmarc-request@xxxxxxxx" data-linkindex=3D"0" style=3D"margin= : 0px;">000001009817b89f-dmarc-request@xxxxxxxx</a>>:</div> <blockquote style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;= padding-left: 1ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204);"> <div class=3D"elementToProof" style=3D"direction: ltr; text-align: left; tex= t-indent: 0px; margin: 0px; font-family: "Segoe UI", "Segoe U= I Web (West European)", -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, Roboto, &quo= t;Helvetica Neue", sans-serif; font-size: 15px; color: rgb(36, 36, 36);= "> Hi Perry,</div> <div class=3D"elementToProof" style=3D"direction: ltr; text-align: left; tex= t-indent: 0px; margin: 0px; font-family: "Segoe UI", "Segoe U= I Web (West European)", -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, Roboto, &quo= t;Helvetica Neue", sans-serif; font-size: 15px; color: rgb(36, 36, 36);= "> <br> </div> <div class=3D"elementToProof" style=3D"direction: ltr; text-align: left; tex= t-indent: 0px; margin: 0px; font-family: "Segoe UI", "Segoe U= I Web (West European)", -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, Roboto, &quo= t;Helvetica Neue", sans-serif; font-size: 15px; color: rgb(36, 36, 36);= "> I'm so sorry that this is such a stressful time for all of us. It's hard eno= ugh starting out in science without the entire edifice crumbling around one'= s ears.</div> <div class=3D"elementToProof" style=3D"direction: ltr; text-align: left; tex= t-indent: 0px; margin: 0px; font-family: "Segoe UI", "Segoe U= I Web (West European)", -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, Roboto, &quo= t;Helvetica Neue", sans-serif; font-size: 15px; color: rgb(36, 36, 36);= "> <br> </div> <div class=3D"elementToProof" style=3D"direction: ltr; text-align: left; tex= t-indent: 0px; margin: 0px; font-family: "Segoe UI", "Segoe U= I Web (West European)", -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, Roboto, &quo= t;Helvetica Neue", sans-serif; font-size: 15px; color: rgb(36, 36, 36);= "> I think that what's going on right now is that there is a sense of science s= olidarity: scientists are fighting for scientists across the board, not just= in auditory science. I've been to and seen lots of people at Stand Up for S= cience rallies across the country. People are pelting their elected representatives with demands not to silenc= e science. I've also seen (and responded to) calls to write supportive notes= to program officers, SROs, etc. at funding agencies who are currently under= huge amounts of stress and anxiety. There is HUGE concern amongst all these groups about what this is going to d= o to the next generation of scientists.</div> <div class=3D"elementToProof" style=3D"direction: ltr; text-align: left; tex= t-indent: 0px; margin: 0px; font-family: "Segoe UI", "Segoe U= I Web (West European)", -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, Roboto, &quo= t;Helvetica Neue", sans-serif; font-size: 15px; color: rgb(36, 36, 36);= "> <br> </div> <div class=3D"elementToProof" style=3D"direction: ltr; text-align: left; tex= t-indent: 0px; margin: 0px; font-family: "Segoe UI", "Segoe U= I Web (West European)", -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, Roboto, &quo= t;Helvetica Neue", sans-serif; font-size: 15px; color: rgb(36, 36, 36);= "> One big way that more senior folks can help more junior folks is to do our b= est to make sure funding opportunities stay in place. Without that, the supp= ort web for PhDs is really not there. So I think a lot of people are focusin= g their energies on advocating for maintaining NIH and NSF.</div> <div class=3D"elementToProof" style=3D"direction: ltr; text-align: left; tex= t-indent: 0px; margin: 0px; font-family: "Segoe UI", "Segoe U= I Web (West European)", -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, Roboto, &quo= t;Helvetica Neue", sans-serif; font-size: 15px; color: rgb(36, 36, 36);= "> <br> </div> <div class=3D"elementToProof" style=3D"direction: ltr; text-align: left; tex= t-indent: 0px; margin: 0px; font-family: "Segoe UI", "Segoe U= I Web (West European)", -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, Roboto, &quo= t;Helvetica Neue", sans-serif; font-size: 15px; color: rgb(36, 36, 36);= "> I would love to see suggestions on Auditory list or other places for additio= nal ways to advocate for junior scientists and for science generally.</div> <div class=3D"elementToProof" style=3D"direction: ltr; text-align: left; tex= t-indent: 0px; margin: 0px; font-family: "Segoe UI", "Segoe U= I Web (West European)", -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, Roboto, &quo= t;Helvetica Neue", sans-serif; font-size: 15px; color: rgb(36, 36, 36);= "> <br> </div> <div class=3D"elementToProof" style=3D"direction: ltr; text-align: left; tex= t-indent: 0px; margin: 0px; font-family: "Segoe UI", "Segoe U= I Web (West European)", -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, Roboto, &quo= t;Helvetica Neue", sans-serif; font-size: 15px; color: rgb(36, 36, 36);= "> Hang in there and please know that we want you here.</div> <div class=3D"elementToProof" style=3D"direction: ltr; text-align: left; tex= t-indent: 0px; margin: 0px; font-family: "Segoe UI", "Segoe U= I Web (West European)", -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, Roboto, &quo= t;Helvetica Neue", sans-serif; font-size: 15px; color: rgb(36, 36, 36);= "> Sarah</div> <div class=3D"elementToProof" style=3D"direction: ltr; text-align: left; tex= t-indent: 0px; margin: 0px; font-family: "Segoe UI", "Segoe U= I Web (West European)", -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, Roboto, &quo= t;Helvetica Neue", sans-serif; font-size: 15px; color: rgb(36, 36, 36);= "> <br> </div> <div class=3D"elementToProof" style=3D"direction: ltr; text-align: left; tex= t-indent: 0px; margin: 0px; font-family: "Segoe UI", "Segoe U= I Web (West European)", -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, Roboto, &quo= t;Helvetica Neue", sans-serif; font-size: 15px; color: rgb(36, 36, 36);= "> <br> </div> <div class=3D"elementToProof" style=3D"direction: ltr; text-align: left; tex= t-indent: 0px; margin: 0px; font-family: "Segoe UI", "Segoe U= I Web (West European)", -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, Roboto, &quo= t;Helvetica Neue", sans-serif; font-size: 15px; color: rgb(36, 36, 36);= "> <br> </div> <div class=3D"elementToProof" style=3D"direction: ltr; text-align: left; tex= t-indent: 0px; margin: 0px; font-family: "Segoe UI", "Segoe U= I Web (West European)", -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, Roboto, &quo= t;Helvetica Neue", sans-serif; font-size: 15px; color: rgb(36, 36, 36);= "> <br> </div> <div class=3D"elementToProof" style=3D"text-align: left; font-family: "= Segoe UI", "Segoe UI Web (West European)", -apple-system, Bli= nkMacSystemFont, Roboto, "Helvetica Neue", sans-serif; font-size: 1= 5px; color: rgb(36, 36, 36);"> <br> </div> <div class=3D"elementToProof" style=3D"direction: ltr; text-align: left; tex= t-indent: 0px; margin: 0px; font-family: "Segoe UI", "Segoe U= I Web (West European)", -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, Roboto, &quo= t;Helvetica Neue", sans-serif; font-size: 15px; color: rgb(36, 36, 36);= "> On Sun, Mar 16, 2025 at 9:23=E2=80=AFPM T. T. Perry <<a href=3D"mailto:tr= evortperry@xxxxxxxx" id=3D"OWA73b753e5-2720-7fe2-b3f3-add8c86fecf0" class=3D= "OWAAutoLink" title=3D"mailto:trevortperry@xxxxxxxx" data-linkindex=3D"1" s= tyle=3D"margin: 0px;">trevortperry@xxxxxxxx</a>> wrote:</div> <blockquote style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;= padding-left: 1ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204);"> <div class=3D"elementToProof" style=3D"direction: ltr; text-align: left; tex= t-indent: 0px; margin: 0px; font-family: "Segoe UI", "Segoe U= I Web (West European)", -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, Roboto, &quo= t;Helvetica Neue", sans-serif; font-size: 15px; color: rgb(36, 36, 36);= "> Hi Auditory List,</div> <div class=3D"elementToProof" style=3D"direction: ltr; text-align: left; tex= t-indent: 0px; margin: 0px; font-family: "Segoe UI", "Segoe U= I Web (West European)", -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, Roboto, &quo= t;Helvetica Neue", sans-serif; font-size: 15px; color: rgb(36, 36, 36);= "> <br> </div> <div class=3D"elementToProof" style=3D"direction: ltr; text-align: left; tex= t-indent: 0px; margin: 0px; font-family: "Segoe UI", "Segoe U= I Web (West European)", -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, Roboto, &quo= t;Helvetica Neue", sans-serif; font-size: 15px; color: rgb(36, 36, 36);= "> I'm a hearing scientist in America where science and s cientists are under e= xtremely heavy attack, Orban style. Yet I've seen almost no statements from s= enior leaders in our field defending science and early career scientists. Pe= rhaps I'm in a bubble and just haven't witnessed these statements myself.</div> <div class=3D"elementToProof" style=3D"direction: ltr; text-align: left; tex= t-indent: 0px; margin: 0px; font-family: "Segoe UI", "Segoe U= I Web (West European)", -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, Roboto, &quo= t;Helvetica Neue", sans-serif; font-size: 15px; color: rgb(36, 36, 36);= "> <br> </div> <div class=3D"elementToProof" style=3D"direction: ltr; text-align: left; tex= t-indent: 0px; margin: 0px; font-family: "Segoe UI", "Segoe U= I Web (West European)", -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, Roboto, &quo= t;Helvetica Neue", sans-serif; font-size: 15px; color: rgb(36, 36, 36);= "> Where are the leaders of our field and why are they so quiet? Does auditory s= cience have a future in America? Are "mid" and "late stage" career people ju= st looking to comply and save themselves? </div> <div class=3D"elementToProof" style=3D"direction: ltr; text-align: left; tex= t-indent: 0px; margin: 0px; font-family: "Segoe UI", "Segoe U= I Web (West European)", -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, Roboto, &quo= t;Helvetica Neue", sans-serif; font-size: 15px; color: rgb(36, 36, 36);= "> <br> </div> <div class=3D"elementToProof" style=3D"direction: ltr; text-align: left; tex= t-indent: 0px; margin: 0px; font-family: "Segoe UI", "Segoe U= I Web (West European)", -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, Roboto, &quo= t;Helvetica Neue", sans-serif; font-size: 15px; color: rgb(36, 36, 36);= "> What have you heard lately?</div> <div class=3D"elementToProof" style=3D"direction: ltr; text-align: left; tex= t-indent: 0px; margin: 0px; font-family: "Segoe UI", "Segoe U= I Web (West European)", -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, Roboto, &quo= t;Helvetica Neue", sans-serif; font-size: 15px; color: rgb(36, 36, 36);= "> <br> </div> <div class=3D"elementToProof" style=3D"direction: ltr; text-align: left; tex= t-indent: 0px; margin: 0px; font-family: "Segoe UI", "Segoe U= I Web (West European)", -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, Roboto, &quo= t;Helvetica Neue", sans-serif; font-size: 15px; color: rgb(36, 36, 36);= "> Sincerely, </div> <div class=3D"elementToProof" style=3D"direction: ltr; text-align: left; tex= t-indent: 0px; margin: 0px; font-family: "Segoe UI", "Segoe U= I Web (West European)", -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, Roboto, &quo= t;Helvetica Neue", sans-serif; font-size: 15px; color: rgb(36, 36, 36);= "> Perry</div> <div class=3D"elementToProof" style=3D"direction: ltr; text-align: left; tex= t-indent: 0px; margin: 0px; font-family: "Segoe UI", "Segoe U= I Web (West European)", -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, Roboto, &quo= t;Helvetica Neue", sans-serif; font-size: 15px; color: rgb(36, 36, 36);= "> they/them</div> </blockquote> </blockquote> </blockquote> </div> <div style=3D"font-family: Aptos, Aptos_EmbeddedFont, Aptos_MSFontService, C= alibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> <br> </div> <div class=3D"elementToProof" style=3D"font-family: Aptos, Aptos_EmbeddedFon= t, Aptos_MSFontService, Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; col= or: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> <br> </div> <div style=3D"font-family: Aptos, Aptos_EmbeddedFont, Aptos_MSFontService, C= alibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> <br> </div> </div></blockquote></div></div></body></html>= --Apple-Mail-BA76E352-3617-42B9-8A9E-C974BCC9586D--