Subject: Re: [AUDITORY] Silence from leaders in auditory science From: Les Bernstein <lbernstein@xxxxxxxx> Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2025 11:50:42 -0400--------------CfTt0G5vZqf4ViOGiyMXb9Pe Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable *** Attention: This is an external email. Use caution responding, opening a= ttachments or clicking on links. *** Well stated, Brian. Well stated.=F0=9F=99=82 Les On 3/17/2025 10:03 AM, Brian Frost wrote: *** Attention: This is an external email. Use caution responding, opening a= ttachments or clicking on links. *** Hi Perry - I am also a young American hearing scientist (postdoc at Rockefeller Univer= sity) with serious concerns about the state of auditory research/NIDCD fund= ing in the United States. It is true that there has been little in terms of= vocal pushback from our community. For example, a quick google search will= show that there are no high-profile articles regarding our field in respon= se to funding cuts. It is important, if you would like to organize such a r= esponse, to formalize what is meant by: 1) Statement 2) Senior leaders It may not be productive to chastise people for "looking to comply" or "sav= e themselves" when later-career researchers are also at threat from public = funding cuts. In my experience, people across the field and across age grou= ps are concerned not only for themselves but for their students and colleag= ues. There is not really a way for such people to comply or save themselves= if their grants disappear. There is a sense of futility and fear at all le= vels. It is also important to note that our colleagues span the political s= pectrum, and many may be in support of the cuts -- we cannot speak for the = entire field. I would support, very much, a public statement from scientists in the field= that could hopefully make it to a high-profile publication such as the New= York Times. A productive and well-led team could certainly draft such a st= atement, but it would need to be backed by late-career, awarded scientists = to have any impact. I can say that many young scientists at auditory labs here in New York, and= at least two PIs from institutions I am familiar with would probably be wi= lling to consider this idea. They are not on this list and I cannot speak f= or them, but I can reach out. Such a statement would require significant or= ganization that is not so easy to achieve in any field. If any senior scien= tist in this email chain would be interested in spearheading such an effort= , that would be wonderful. Otherwise, the idea is DoA because the concern i= s not sufficiently present in the community -- that would be a shame, but m= ay be the case. Thanks, Brian Frost On Mon, Mar 17, 2025 at 12:14=E2=80=AFAM T. T. Perry <trevortperry@xxxxxxxx= m<mailto:trevortperry@xxxxxxxx>> wrote: Hi Auditory List, I'm a hearing scientist in America where science and s cientists are under = extremely heavy attack, Orban style. Yet I've seen almost no statements fro= m senior leaders in our field defending science and early career scientists= . Perhaps I'm in a bubble and just haven't witnessed these statements mysel= f. Where are the leaders of our field and why are they so quiet? Does auditory= science have a future in America? Are "mid" and "late stage" career people= just looking to comply and save themselves? What have you heard lately? Sincerely, Perry they/them -- Leslie R. Bernstein, Ph.D. | Professor Emeritus Depts. of Neuroscience and Surgery (Otolaryngology) | UConn School of Medic= ine 263 Farmington Avenue, Farmington, CT 06030-3401 Office: 860.679.4622 | Fax: 860.679.2495 [cid:part1.hbYFMtOs.NhpRqXnb@xxxxxxxx --------------CfTt0G5vZqf4ViOGiyMXb9Pe Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="------------8G1b2bBNU8Fev7KZnIA5rTyC" --------------8G1b2bBNU8Fev7KZnIA5rTyC Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE html> <html> <head> <meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3Dutf-8"> </head> <body> <div style=3D"background-color:#D5EAFF; padding:.8em; "> <div style=3D"font-size:12pt; color:#ff0000; text-align: center; font-famil= y: 'Calibri',sans-serif;"> *** Attention: This is an external email. Use caution responding, opening a= ttachments or clicking on links. ***</div> </div> <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">Well stated, Br= ian. Well stated.</font>=F0=9F=99=82<br> <font face=3D"Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif"><br> <font size=3D"2">Les</font></font><br> <br> <div class=3D"moz-cite-prefix">On 3/17/2025 10:03 AM, Brian Frost wrote:<br= > </div> <blockquote type=3D"cite" cite=3D"mid:CANt5nQO=3Dfoba=3Du9UmD7xi1+GPgJ&= #43;fhmSYfRKBnMc_6V1CSxUvw@xxxxxxxx"> <div style=3D"background-color:#D5EAFF; padding:.8em; "> <div style=3D"font-size:12pt; color:#ff0000; text-align: center; font-famil= y: 'Calibri',sans-serif;"> *** Attention: This is an external email. Use caution responding, opening a= ttachments or clicking on links. ***</div> </div> <div> <div dir=3D"ltr"> <div>Hi Perry -</div> <div><br> </div> <div>I am also a young American hearing scientist (postdoc at Rockefeller U= niversity) with serious concerns about the state of auditory research/NIDCD= funding in the United States. It is true that there has been little in ter= ms of vocal pushback from our community. For example, a quick google search will show that there are no high-profil= e articles regarding our field in response to funding cuts. It is important= , if you would like to organize such a response, to formalize what is meant= by:</div> <div><br> </div> <div>1) Statement</div> <div>2) Senior leaders</div> <div><br> </div> <div>It may not be productive to chastise people for "looking to compl= y" or "save themselves" when later-career researchers are al= so at threat from public funding cuts. In my experience, people across the = field and across age groups are concerned not only for themselves but for their students and colleagues. There is not really a wa= y for such people to comply or save themselves if their grants disappear. T= here is a sense of futility and fear at all levels. It is also important to= note that our colleagues span the political spectrum, and many may be in support of the cuts -- we cannot sp= eak for the entire field.</div> <div><br> </div> <div>I would support, very much, a public statement from scientists in the = field that could hopefully make it to a high-profile publication such as th= e New York Times. A productive and well-led team could certainly draft such= a statement, but it would need to be backed by late-career, awarded scientists to have any impact. <= /div> <div><br> </div> <div>I can say that many young scientists at auditory labs here in New York= , and at least two PIs from institutions I am familiar with would probably = be willing to consider this idea. They are not on this list and I cannot sp= eak for them, but I can reach out. Such a statement would require significant organization that is not so eas= y to achieve in any field. If any senior scientist in this email chain woul= d be interested in spearheading such an effort, that would be wonderful. Ot= herwise, the idea is DoA because the concern is not sufficiently present in the community -- that would be = a shame, but may be the case.</div> <div><br> </div> <div>Thanks,</div> <div>Brian Frost</div> </div> <br> <div class=3D"gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"> <div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon, Mar 17, 2025 at 12:14=E2=80= =AFAM T. T. Perry <<a href=3D"mailto:trevortperry@xxxxxxxx" moz-do-not-= send=3D"true" class=3D"moz-txt-link-freetext">trevortperry@xxxxxxxx</a>>= ; wrote:<br> </div> <blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-= left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"> <div dir=3D"auto">Hi Auditory List, <div dir=3D"auto"><br> </div> <div dir=3D"auto">I'm a hearing scientist in America where science and s ci= entists are under extremely heavy attack, Orban style. Yet I've seen almost= no statements from senior leaders in our field defending science and early= career scientists. Perhaps I'm in a bubble and just haven't witnessed these statements myself.</div> <div dir=3D"auto"><br> </div> <div dir=3D"auto">Where are the leaders of our field and why are they so qu= iet? Does auditory science have a future in America? Are "mid" an= d "late stage" career people just looking to comply and save them= selves? </div> <div dir=3D"auto"><br> </div> <div dir=3D"auto">What have you heard lately?</div> <div dir=3D"auto"><br> </div> <div dir=3D"auto">Sincerely, </div> <div dir=3D"auto">Perry</div> <div dir=3D"auto">they/them</div> </div> </blockquote> </div> </div> </blockquote> <br> <div class=3D"moz-signature">-- <br> <title></title> <div class=3D"moz-signature"> <div class=3D"moz-signature"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family= :"Arial",sans-serif; mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman \;color\:\#002048"">Leslie R. 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