Subject: Re: [AUDITORY] Silence from leaders in auditory science From: Gunter Kreutz <gunter.kreutz@xxxxxxxx> Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2025 08:16:20 +0100--0000000000003457fb063098af32 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear list, the brutal reality is that the US administration has declared war on its democratic institutions, the legal system, the media, the checks and balances system, social security, science and humanities, and above all it (and that is not Trump alone, but equally the "masterminds" of the heritage foundation) declared war on the values shared by the so-called free world. - Is this exaggerated? Who could blame young US scientists to consider their future in Canada, Britain, the Far East, or in the EU? Sorry for being off-topic. I wholeheartedly support and applaud to scientists standing up and rally, wherever there is need to do so. But it seems to happen in a strange atmosphere as it becomes evident that the protection of democratic rights is crumbling. And the country where this is happening is not a small republic on the Balkan. Sorry also for having no suggestions for how to do better service to young researchers that getting rid of the current US admin ASAP. The whole world will hold its breath what the next US administration will look like and whether they will be able to restore the - in my view - inevitable brain drain that will hurt the US hearing sciences in the meantime, I am afraid. Slava Ukraine Gunter Am Di., 18. M=C3=A4rz 2025 um 05:29 Uhr schrieb Sarah Creel < 000001009817b89f-dmarc-request@xxxxxxxx>: > Hi Perry, > > I'm so sorry that this is such a stressful time for all of us. It's hard > enough starting out in science without the entire edifice crumbling aroun= d > one's ears. > > I think that what's going on right now is that there is a sense of scienc= e > solidarity: scientists are fighting for scientists across the board, not > just in auditory science. I've been to and seen lots of people at Stand U= p > for Science rallies across the country. People are pelting their elected > representatives with demands not to silence science. I've also seen (and > responded to) calls to write supportive notes to program officers, SROs, > etc. at funding agencies who are currently under huge amounts of stress a= nd > anxiety. There is HUGE concern amongst all these groups about what this i= s > going to do to the next generation of scientists. > > One big way that more senior folks can help more junior folks is to do ou= r > best to make sure funding opportunities stay in place. Without that, the > support web for PhDs is really not there. So I think a lot of people are > focusing their energies on advocating for maintaining NIH and NSF. > > I would love to see suggestions on Auditory list or other places for > additional ways to advocate for junior scientists and for science general= ly. > > Hang in there and please know that we want you here. > Sarah > > > > > > On Sun, Mar 16, 2025 at 9:23=E2=80=AFPM T. T. Perry <trevortperry@xxxxxxxx= om> > wrote: > >> Hi Auditory List, >> >> I'm a hearing scientist in America where science and s cientists are >> under extremely heavy attack, Orban style. Yet I've seen almost no >> statements from senior leaders in our field defending science and early >> career scientists. Perhaps I'm in a bubble and just haven't witnessed th= ese >> statements myself. >> >> Where are the leaders of our field and why are they so quiet? Does >> auditory science have a future in America? Are "mid" and "late stage" >> career people just looking to comply and save themselves? >> >> What have you heard lately? >> >> Sincerely, >> Perry >> they/them >> > --0000000000003457fb063098af32 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Dear list,</div><div><br></div><div>the brutal realit= y is that the US administration has declared war on its democratic institut= ions, the legal system, the media, the checks and balances system, social s= ecurity, science and humanities, and above all it (and that is not Trump al= one, but equally the "masterminds" of the heritage foundation) de= clared war on the values shared by the so-called free world. - Is this exag= gerated?</div><div><br></div><div>Who could blame young US scientists to co= nsider their future in Canada, Britain, the Far East, or in the EU? <br></d= iv><div><br></div><div>Sorry for being off-topic. I wholeheartedly support = and applaud to scientists standing up and rally, wherever there is need to = do so. But it seems to happen in a strange atmosphere as it becomes evident= that the protection of democratic rights is crumbling. And the country whe= re this is happening is not a small republic on the Balkan.</div><div><br><= /div><div>Sorry also for having no suggestions for how to do better service= to young researchers that getting rid of the current US admin ASAP. The wh= ole world will hold its breath what the next US administration will look li= ke and whether they will be able to restore the - in my view - inevitable b= rain drain that will hurt the US hearing sciences in the meantime, I am afr= aid.=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>Slava Ukraine</div><div><br></div><div>= Gunter</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><di= v><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><di= v><br></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div= dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">Am Di., 18. M=C3=A4rz 2025 um 05:29=C2=A0= Uhr schrieb Sarah Creel <<a href=3D"mailto:000001009817b89f-dmarc-reques= t@xxxxxxxx">000001009817b89f-dmarc-request@xxxxxxxx</a>>:<= br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8e= x;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"= ><div>Hi Perry,</div><div><br></div><div>I'm so sorry that this is such= a stressful time for all of us. It's hard enough starting out in scien= ce without the entire edifice crumbling around one's ears.</div><div><b= r></div><div>I think that what's going on right now is that there is a = sense of science solidarity: scientists are fighting for scientists across = the board, not just in auditory science. I've been to and seen lots of = people at Stand Up for Science rallies across the country. People are pelti= ng their elected representatives with demands not to silence science. I'= ;ve also seen (and responded to) calls to write supportive notes to program= officers, SROs, etc. at funding agencies who are currently under huge amou= nts of stress and anxiety. There is HUGE concern amongst all these groups a= bout what this is going to do to the next generation of scientists.</div><d= iv><br></div><div></div><div>One big way that more senior folks can help mo= re junior folks is to do our best to make sure funding opportunities stay i= n place. Without that, the support web for PhDs is really not there. So I t= hink a lot of people are focusing their energies on advocating for maintain= ing NIH and NSF.</div><div><br></div><div>I would love to see suggestions o= n Auditory list or other places for additional ways to advocate for junior = scientists and for science generally.</div><div><br></div><div>Hang in ther= e and please know that we want you here.</div><div>Sarah</div><div><br></di= v><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmai= l_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sun, Mar 16, 2025 at 9:23= =E2=80=AFPM T. T. Perry <<a href=3D"mailto:trevortperry@xxxxxxxx" targe= t=3D"_blank">trevortperry@xxxxxxxx</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote cla= ss=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid = rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"auto">Hi Auditory List,<div = dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">I'm a hearing scientist in Ame= rica where science and s cientists are under extremely heavy attack, Orban = style. Yet I've seen almost no statements from senior leaders in our fi= eld defending science and early career scientists. Perhaps I'm in a bub= ble and just haven't witnessed these statements myself.</div><div dir= =3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Where are the leaders of our field an= d why are they so quiet? Does auditory science have a future in America? Ar= e "mid" and "late stage" career people just looking to = comply and save themselves?=C2=A0</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir= =3D"auto">What have you heard lately?</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div= dir=3D"auto">Sincerely,=C2=A0</div><div dir=3D"auto">Perry</div><div dir= =3D"auto">they/them</div></div> </blockquote></div> </blockquote></div> --0000000000003457fb063098af32--