Subject: Re: [AUDITORY] Electric vehicles acoustic discrimination From: LEONARDO GABRIELLI <l.gabrielli@xxxxxxxx> Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2024 09:03:54 +0000--_000_DBBPR04MB62824D947A9CD94BBDC56A29A967ADBBPR04MB6282eurp_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable BTW: since we are speaking of regulations, what are the regulations for cer= tifying commercialization of motorbikes in terms of acoustic emissions? I'm= looking with interest in the frequency masks and engine conditions used by= the current (EU) regulations. Best regards ________________________________ From: AUDITORY - Research in Auditory Perception <AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx>= on behalf of Flaithri Neff <Flaithri.Neff@xxxxxxxx> Sent: Thursday, January 4, 2024 7:14 AM To: AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx <AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx> Subject: Re: [AUDITORY] Electric vehicles acoustic discrimination Dear Frederico, I will be starting a project with the National Disability Authority in Irel= and quite soon in a similar area, specifically concerning speeds 20km/h and= below. We will also want to compare IC engine sounds (across reasonable ve= hicle-age ranges as Leonardo correctly points out) and AVAS in EVs. Our pri= mary reference point has been ISO 16254 and several other indirectly relate= d standards (e.g. ISO 362), and subsequent regs like UNECE Reg 138 and Regu= lation (EU) No 540/2014. The literature is quite sparse on the ground in relation to perceptual eval= uations of these sound signatures. Given the speed cap in our project, tyre= -on-road will be less of a factor for us and our research will focus on urb= an centres rather than highways. Ultimately, we are going to have to build the datasets for our project. One= of our preliminary tasks for this is how we structure these data and corre= sponding metadata, as there=92s more to this than just the acoustic signatu= re itself. We intend on hosting these datasets on a Irish national pilot pl= atform based on EUDAT services, called IRLDAT. Feel free to send me an email to link up. Leonardo: very interesting information and papers =96 thanks for sharing. Le gach dea-ghu=ED / Best wishes, Flaithr=ED. ---- Technological University of the Shannon, Ireland. https://tus.ie https://lero.ie From: AUDITORY - Research in Auditory Perception <AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx>= on behalf of Frederico Pereira <pereira.frederico@xxxxxxxx> Date: Wednesday, 3 January 2024 at 05:20 To: AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx <AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx> Subject: [AUDITORY] Electric vehicles acoustic discrimination STOP! Is this a phishing email? This email originated from an external sour= ce. Do not click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender = and know the content is safe. Dear Auditory List, I hope this message finds you well. I am currently in search of published research pertaining to the discrimina= tion of electric vehicles compared to internal combustion vehicles based on= noise emissions. Specifically, I am interested in studies that explore the= feasibility of implementing such discrimination systems in highway enviro= nments (such as installed in span structures, toll plazas, etc..). I acknowledge inherent challenges associated with this task, including issu= es related to extraneous noise, the utilization of Acoustic Vehicle Alertin= g Systems (AVAS), and, notably(?), the dominance of tire-road noise at high= er velocities. My particular interest lies in uncovering research that delv= es into specific acoustic features that may be extracted from microphone ar= ray beamforming systems. From searches on Google Scholar, I was unable to find substantial literatur= e on this specific topic. Therefore, I am reaching out to the esteemed memb= ers of this community to inquire if any of you could direct me towards rele= vant literature addressing this topic. Thank you in advance for your assistance. - Frederico -- Frederico Pereira Mobile:+351 937356301 Audio and Acoustics, Perception Interaction and Usability Email:pereira.frederico@xxxxxxxx<mailto:Email%3Apereira.frederico@xxxxxxxx= m> Email Disclaimer - https://tus.ie/privacy-policy/email-disclaimer/ --_000_DBBPR04MB62824D947A9CD94BBDC56A29A967ADBBPR04MB6282eurp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <html> <head> <meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3DWindows-1= 252"> </head> <body> <div>BTW: since we are speaking of regulations, what are the regulations fo= r certifying commercialization of motorbikes in terms of acoustic emissions= ? I'm looking with interest in the frequency masks and engine conditions us= ed by the current (EU) regulations.</div> <div><br> </div> <div>Best regards </div> <br> <hr style=3D"display:inline-block;width:98%" tabindex=3D"-1"> <div id=3D"divRplyFwdMsg" dir=3D"ltr"><font face=3D"Calibri, sans-serif" st= yle=3D"font-size:11pt" color=3D"#000000"><b>From:</b> AUDITORY - Research i= n Auditory Perception <AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx> on behalf of Flaithr= i Neff <Flaithri.Neff@xxxxxxxx><br> <b>Sent:</b> Thursday, January 4, 2024 7:14 AM<br> <b>To:</b> AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx <AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx><br> <b>Subject:</b> Re: [AUDITORY] Electric vehicles acoustic discrimination</f= ont> <div> </div> </div> <style> <!-- @xxxxxxxx {font-family:"Cambria Math"} @xxxxxxxx {font-family:Calibri} @xxxxxxxx {font-family:"Calibri Light"} @xxxxxxxx {font-family:Aptos} @xxxxxxxx {} p.x_MsoNormal, li.x_MsoNormal, div.x_MsoNormal {margin:0cm; font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif} a:link, span.x_MsoHyperlink {color:blue; text-decoration:underline} span.x_m9137478987894793065apple-converted-space {} span.x_m9137478987894793065outlook-search-highlight {} span.x_EmailStyle20 {font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif; color:windowtext} .x_MsoChpDefault {font-size:10.0pt} @xxxxxxxx WordSection1 {margin:72.0pt 72.0pt 72.0pt 72.0pt} div.x_WordSection1 {} --> </style> <div lang=3D"EN-IE" link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"purple" style=3D"word-wrap:break= -word"> <div class=3D"x_WordSection1"> <p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"= ;Calibri Light",sans-serif">Dear Frederico, </span></p> <p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"= ;Calibri Light",sans-serif"> </span></p> <p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"= ;Calibri Light",sans-serif">I will be starting a project with the Nati= onal Disability Authority in Ireland quite soon in a similar area, specific= ally concerning speeds 20km/h and below. We will also want to compare IC engine sounds (across reasonable vehicle-age range= s as Leonardo correctly points out) and AVAS in EVs. Our primary reference = point has been ISO 16254 and several other indirectly related standards (e.= g. ISO 362), and subsequent regs like UNECE Reg 138 and Regulation (EU) No 540/2014. </span></p> <p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"= ;Calibri Light",sans-serif"> </span></p> <p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"= ;Calibri Light",sans-serif">The literature is quite sparse on the grou= nd in relation to perceptual evaluations of these sound signatures. Given t= he speed cap in our project, tyre-on-road will be less of a factor for us and our research will focus on urban centres ra= ther than highways. </span></p> <p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"= ;Calibri Light",sans-serif"> </span></p> <p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"= ;Calibri Light",sans-serif">Ultimately, we are going to have to build = the datasets for our project. One of our preliminary tasks for this is how = we structure these data and corresponding metadata, as there=92s more to this than just the acoustic signature itself. We inte= nd on hosting these datasets on a Irish national pilot platform based on EU= DAT services, called IRLDAT. </span></p> <p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"= ;Calibri Light",sans-serif"> </span></p> <p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"= ;Calibri Light",sans-serif">Feel free to send me an email to link up.<= /span></p> <p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"= ;Calibri Light",sans-serif"> </span></p> <p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"= ;Calibri Light",sans-serif">Leonardo: very interesting information and= papers =96 thanks for sharing. </span></p> <p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"= ;Calibri Light",sans-serif"> </span></p> <p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"= ;Calibri Light",sans-serif">Le gach dea-ghu=ED / Best wishes, </span></p> <p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"= ;Calibri Light",sans-serif"> </span></p> <p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"= ;Calibri Light",sans-serif">Flaithr=ED. </span></p> <p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"= ;Calibri Light",sans-serif; color:black">----</span></p> <p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"= ;Calibri Light",sans-serif">Technological University of the Shannon, I= reland.</span></p> <p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"= ;Calibri Light",sans-serif"><a href=3D"https://tus.ie"><span style=3D"= color:#0563C1">https://tus.ie</span></a> </span></p> <p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"= ;Calibri Light",sans-serif"><a href=3D"https://lero.ie"><span style=3D= "color:#0563C1">https://lero.ie</span></a> </span></p> <p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"= ;Calibri Light",sans-serif"> </span></p> <p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"= ;Calibri Light",sans-serif"> </span></p> <div id=3D"x_mail-editor-reference-message-container"> <div> <div style=3D"border:none; border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt; padding:3.0pt 0c= m 0cm 0cm"> <p class=3D"x_MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><b><span style=3D"f= ont-size:12.0pt; font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif; color:black">Fro= m: </span></b><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt; font-family:"Aptos",s= ans-serif; color:black">AUDITORY - Research in Auditory Perception <AUDI= TORY@xxxxxxxx> on behalf of Frederico Pereira <pereira.frederi= co@xxxxxxxx><br> <b>Date: </b>Wednesday, 3 January 2024 at 05:20<br> <b>To: </b>AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx <AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx><br> <b>Subject: </b>[AUDITORY] Electric vehicles acoustic discrimination</span>= </p> </div> <div align=3D"center"> <table class=3D"x_MsoNormalTable" border=3D"1" cellspacing=3D"0" cellpaddin= g=3D"0" width=3D"100%" style=3D"width:100.0%; background:orange"> <tbody> <tr> <td nowrap=3D"" style=3D"padding:7.5pt 7.5pt 7.5pt 7.5pt"> <p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt; color:black">STOP= ! Is this a phishing email? This email originated from an external source. = Do not click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and = know the content is safe.</span><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt"></span></p= > </td> </tr> </tbody> </table> </div> <div> <div> <p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt; color:#212121">De= ar<span class=3D"x_m9137478987894793065apple-converted-space"> </span>= <span class=3D"x_m9137478987894793065outlook-search-highlight">Auditory</sp= an><span class=3D"x_m9137478987894793065apple-converted-space"> </span= >List,</span><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt"> </span></p> <div> <p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt"> </span></p> </div> <div> <p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt">I hope this messa= ge finds you well. </span></p> </div> <div> <p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt">I am currently in= search of published research pertaining to the discrimination of electric = vehicles compared to internal combustion vehicles based on noise emissions.= Specifically, I am interested in studies that explore the feasibility of implementing such discrimination systems i= n highway environments (such as installed in span structures, toll pl= azas, etc..).</span></p> </div> <div> <p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt"> </span></p> </div> <div> <p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt">I acknowledge inh= erent challenges associated with this task, including issues related to ext= raneous noise, the utilization of Acoustic Vehicle Alerting Systems (AVAS),= and, notably(?), the dominance of tire-road noise at higher velocities. My particular interest lies in uncovering rese= arch that delves into specific acoustic features that may be extracted= from microphone array beamforming systems.</span></p> </div> <div> <p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt"> </span></p> </div> <div> <p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt">From searches on = Google Scholar, I was unable to find substantial literature on this specifi= c topic. Therefore, I am reaching out to the esteemed members of this commu= nity to inquire if any of you could direct me towards relevant literature addressing this topic.</span></p> </div> <div> <p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt"> </spa= n></p> </div> <div> <p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt">Thank you in adva= nce for your assistance.</span></p> </div> <div> <p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt"> </span></p> </div> <div> <p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt">- Frederico</span= ></p> </div> <div> <p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt"> </span></p> </div> <div> <p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt">-- </span></= p> </div> <div> <div> <div> <p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt">Frederico Pereira= <br> Mobile:+351 937356301 </span></p> <div> <p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><i><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt">Audio and Acou= stics, Perception Interaction and Usability</span></i><span style=3D"font-s= ize:11.0pt"></span></p> <div> <div> <p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt"><a href=3D"mailto= :Email%3Apereira.frederico@xxxxxxxx" target=3D"_blank">Email:pereira.frede= rico@xxxxxxxx</a></span></p> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> Email Disclaimer - https://tus.ie/privacy-policy/email-disclaimer/ </div> </body> </html> --_000_DBBPR04MB62824D947A9CD94BBDC56A29A967ADBBPR04MB6282eurp_--