Subject: Re: [AUDITORY] can you tell when music is AI-generated? From: Pierre Divenyi <pdivenyi@xxxxxxxx> Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2024 09:08:22 -0700--Apple-Mail-B35F846F-3ED4-4054-AC68-ACBD109249C8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D= utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto"><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF<meta http-equiv=3D= "content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3Dutf-8">Hello Henkjan,<div><br= ></div><div>We, two oldies, may want to talk and reminisce over our past exp= eriences inside and outside our labs! It seems that we were stepping forward= on parallel paths. Pity that we did not meet during my frequent trips to yo= ur city!=E2=80=A6</div><div>Presently I do no research any more =E2=80=94 cl= osed my lab 12 years ago. Playing the piano and giving concerts with my bari= tone friend, but only in the Berkeley area where I live with my documentary f= ilmmaker wife Connie Field. And writing my personal history of when and how I= left Hungary.</div><div><br></div><div>My very best wishes,</div><div>Pierr= e<br><div><br id=3D"lineBreakAtBeginningOfSignature"><div dir=3D"ltr">Pardon= my typos. It's Apple's fault. </div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><blockquote t= ype=3D"cite">On Aug 25, 2024, at 01:04, Henkjan Honing <H.J.Honing@xxxxxxxx= > wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"= ltr">=EF=BB=BF <meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3Dutf-8"> <div><br> </div> <p dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"line-height: 1.38; margin-top: 0pt; margin-bottom: 0= pt;"><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-va= riant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-numer= ic: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-position: normal; v= ertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;">Reminds me of the work we did roughly twenty years ago with real and manipulated re= cordings [1, 2]. The Auditory-list then loved to do those games! But detecti= ng AI is more tricky of course. IRCAM and others do interesting work on this= =E2=80=A6</span></p> <p dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"line-height: 1.38; margin-top: 0pt; margin-bottom: 0= pt;"><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-va= riant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-numer= ic: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-position: normal; v= ertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br> </span></p> <p dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"line-height: 1.38; margin-top: 0pt; margin-bottom: 0= pt;"><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-va= riant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-numer= ic: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-position: normal; v= ertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;">Henkjan</span></p> <br> <p dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"line-height: 1.38; margin-top: 0pt; margin-bottom: 0= pt;"><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-va= riant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-numer= ic: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-position: normal; v= ertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;">[1] </span><a href=3D"https://doi.org/10.1037/a0012732" style=3D"text-decoration= : none;"><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; col= or: rgb(17, 85, 204); font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-alternate= s: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; fo= nt-variant-position: normal; text-decoration: underline; text-decoration-ski= p-ink: none; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;">https://doi.o= rg/10.1037/a0012732</span></a></p> <p dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"line-height: 1.38; margin-top: 0pt; margin-bottom: 0= pt;"><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-va= riant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-numer= ic: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-position: normal; v= ertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;">[2] </span><a href=3D"https://doi.org/10.1037/0096-1523.32.3.780" style=3D"text-= decoration: none;"><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial, sans-= serif; color: rgb(17, 85, 204); font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant= -alternates: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-east-asian: n= ormal; font-variant-position: normal; text-decoration: underline; text-decor= ation-skip-ink: none; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;">http= s://doi.org/10.1037/0096-1523.32.3.780</span></a></p> <br> <div><br> <blockquote type=3D"cite"> <div>On 24 Aug 2024, at 07:29, Pierre Divenyi <pdivenyi@xxxxxxxx= U> wrote:</div> <br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"> <div> <div dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Courier; f= ont-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 4= 00; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transf= orm: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width= : 0px; text-decoration: none;"> =EF=BB=BFHi Samuel, <div><br> </div> <div>As for myself, and I guess for many of my colleagues, it would be inter= esting to sees the results of your test. Can you please let us in afte= r you have some of them at your disposal?</div> <div><br> </div> <div>Thank you and best wishes,</div> <div>Pierre</div> <div><br id=3D"lineBreakAtBeginningOfSignature"> <div dir=3D"ltr">Pardon my typos. It's Apple's fault. </div> <div dir=3D"ltr"><br> <blockquote type=3D"cite" style=3D"border-color: rgb(223, 222, 225); border-= style: solid; border-width: 0px 0px 0px 1px; margin: 0px; padding: 0px 0px 0= px 1em;"> On Aug 23, 2024, at 21:13, Samuel Mehr <sam@xxxxxxxx> wrote:<br>= <br> </blockquote> </div> <blockquote type=3D"cite" style=3D"border-color: rgb(223, 222, 225); border-= style: solid; border-width: 0px 0px 0px 1px; margin: 0px; padding: 0px 0px 0= px 1em;"> <div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF <div class=3D"message-content" style=3D"font-family: -apple-system, BlinkMac= SystemFont, Aptos, Roboto, "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-seri= f, "Apple Color Emoji", "Segoe UI Emoji", "Segoe UI= Symbol"; line-height: 1.4;"> <div class=3D"trix-content"> <div>Hi AUDITORY, one of my grad students, Jan Simson, is working on attitud= es surrounding AI. As part of a survey has thrown together an "AI or not?" m= usic game, where participants listen to music and try to guess whether it wa= s created by AI or a human. I get the sense that folks working in the auditory, hearing, music spaces oft= en wonder how detectable AI-generated music is, so this may be fun for folks= to try out.<br> <br> You can play at<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href=3D= "https://www.themusiclab.org/quizzes/dafi?src=3Daud" originalsrc=3D"https://= www.themusiclab.org/quizzes/dafi?src=3Daud" shash=3D"m8IMTcwJACOL8v+c/2/GpTZ= mMrK/3fkEb4xoqRrPJ13Z3keDE4Pt4fStWE2HMDrTSqwB74T4CYY0gGzJf0GIQNB14gG6nsTMOYy= RjRYOCqTF+BbJ0A9QaP49cX3/AkDwgxXHHbw5loKprNDkL0yi4+TbTQ4+dYAaSgT/CvtSRis=3D"= >https://www.themusiclab.org/quizzes/dafi?src=3Daud</a><span class=3D"Apple-= converted-space"> </span>and pleaes feel free to complete the AI attitudes survey that follows the game i= f you're interested (you can also just click through that part if you only w= ant to check out the music portion).<br> <br> Enjoy !<br> <br> all the best<br> Sam<br> <br> </div> <div>=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94<br> Samuel Mehr<br> School of Psychology, University of Auckland<br> and Child Study Center, Yale University<br> <strong>Be a citizen scientist at<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> = ;</span></strong><a href=3D"https://themusiclab.org/" originalsrc=3D"https:/= /themusiclab.org/" shash=3D"nsyIriUme3kvPI3jPNBVEkpP+Pt2SwLWmlLirQxM+enseUjU= Z2uVtcndbmYHhiLWfzO8v1BLPRu010X3ns6OIPnO2OKSBZZKzd3xSAz8VNCxD1WeOyQHaNfHq3yQ= 9PR/Cx2ELi6+PA0yKdtzhXWeeHALSBJlc3PErOUApVsPgoI=3D"><strong>themusiclab.org<= /strong></a><strong>!</strong></div> </div> </div> </div> </blockquote> </div> </div> </div> </blockquote> </div> <br> <div> <div dir=3D"auto" style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); 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