Subject: [AUDITORY] F0 trajectories in Mandarin - summary of responses From: "Patel, Aniruddh D." <a.patel@xxxxxxxx> Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2024 09:47:18 +0000--_000_SA3PR05MB10385C8700CB1B1C6E119D45EE32D2SA3PR05MB10385na_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear list, Thank you to those who responded to my query about F0 trajectories in Manda= rin. A copy of the original query is below, followed by citations of the = two papers that people pointed out to me, plus an interesting comment from = Jan Schnupp. By the way, if anyone is aware of research showing that native speakers of = a tone language can perceive the speech-to-song illusion in their own langu= age, can you please let me know? We recently showed<https://www.sciencedir= ect.com/science/article/pii/S001002772400043X> that native speakers of Mand= arin and Cantonese can perceive the song illusion in English sentences, but= to our knowledge it remains to be demonstrated that native tone language s= peakers can experience the illusion when hearing sentences in their own lan= guage. Thanks, Ani Patel -- Original query (Feb 1, 2024): Dear List, Is anyone aware of studies reporting empirical comparisons of speech fundam= ental frequency trajectories in English vs. Mandarin connected speech? In 1982 Eady published a paper on this topic and found that =93the speech o= f the Mandarin subjects displayed a greater average rate of Fo change than = that of the American subjects. The Chinese speech was also characterized by= more Fo fluctuations (peaks and valleys) as a function of time and as a fu= nction of the number of syllables.=94 (Eady, S. J. (1982). Differences in the F0 patterns of speech: Tone languag= e versus stress language. Language and speech, 25(1), 29-42.) Twenty years later Keating and Kuo revisited this issue and also found some= differences in F0 patterns in the two languages, but also found that the c= hoice of speech materials can influence the results. (Keating, P., & Kuo, G. (2012). Comparison of speaking fundamental frequenc= y in English and Mandarin. The Journal of the Acoustical Society of America= , 132(2), 1050-1060.) Is anyone aware of more recent studies? Thanks, Ani ------------------------------- Papers sent in response to query: Ding, H., Hoffmann, R., & Hirst, D. (2016). Prosodic transfer: A comparison= study of F0 patterns in L2 English by Chinese speakers. In: Proceedings of= Speech Prosody (pp. 756=96760). Boston, MA. Yuan, J., & Liberman, M. (2014). F0 declination in English and mandarin bro= adcast news speech. Speech Communication 65, 67=9674. From Jan Schnupp, Feb 2, 2024: I am not aware of more recent studies, but it would surprise me if people h= ad done much more on this given that the use of F0 as a semantic tone marke= r in Chinese but not in English makes a wider range of F0 almost inevitable= . What I find interesting (and possibly under-researched), is not so much the= range of F0 variation, but the extremely fast rate at which F0 rises in Ch= inese tone 2 or falls in tone 4. If anyone was to revisit this, then lookin= g at the speed of F0 change would be of interest. My hunch is that Western = 2nd language learners of Chinese particularly struggle with the fast change= s. --_000_SA3PR05MB10385C8700CB1B1C6E119D45EE32D2SA3PR05MB10385na_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <html> <head> <meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3DWindows-1= 252"> <style type=3D"text/css" style=3D"display:none;"> P {margin-top:0;margin-bo= ttom:0;} </style> </head> <body dir=3D"ltr"> <div class=3D"elementToProof" style=3D"font-family: Aptos, Aptos_EmbeddedFo= nt, Aptos_MSFontService, Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; c= olor: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> Dear list,</div> <div class=3D"elementToProof" style=3D"font-family: Aptos, Aptos_EmbeddedFo= nt, Aptos_MSFontService, Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; c= olor: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> <br> </div> <div class=3D"elementToProof" style=3D"font-family: Aptos, Aptos_EmbeddedFo= nt, Aptos_MSFontService, Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; c= olor: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> Thank you to those who responded to my query about F0 trajectories in Manda= rin. A copy of the original query is below, followed by ci= tations of the two papers that people pointed out to me, plus an interestin= g comment from Jan Schnupp.</div> <div class=3D"elementToProof" style=3D"font-family: Aptos, Aptos_EmbeddedFo= nt, Aptos_MSFontService, Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; c= olor: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> <br> </div> <div class=3D"elementToProof" style=3D"font-family: Aptos, Aptos_EmbeddedFo= nt, Aptos_MSFontService, Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; c= olor: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> By the way, if anyone is aware of research showing that native speakers of = a tone language can perceive the speech-to-song illusion in their own langu= age, can you please let me know? We <a href=3D"https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0010027724000= 43X" id=3D"LPlnk" class=3D"OWAAutoLink" title=3D"https://www.sciencedirect.= com/science/article/pii/S001002772400043X" data-auth=3D"NotApplicable" data= -loopstyle=3D"linkonly"> recently showed</a> that native speakers of Mandarin and Cantonese can= perceive the song illusion in English sentences, but to our knowledge it r= emains to be demonstrated that native tone language speakers can experience= the illusion when hearing sentences in their own language.</div> <div style=3D"font-family: Aptos, Aptos_EmbeddedFont, Aptos_MSFontService, = Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> <br> </div> <div class=3D"elementToProof" style=3D"font-family: Aptos, Aptos_EmbeddedFo= nt, Aptos_MSFontService, Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; c= olor: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> Thanks,</div> <div class=3D"elementToProof" style=3D"font-family: Aptos, Aptos_EmbeddedFo= nt, Aptos_MSFontService, Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; c= olor: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> Ani Patel</div> <div class=3D"elementToProof" style=3D"font-family: Aptos, Aptos_EmbeddedFo= nt, Aptos_MSFontService, Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; c= olor: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> <br> </div> <div class=3D"elementToProof" style=3D"font-family: Aptos, Aptos_EmbeddedFo= nt, Aptos_MSFontService, Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; c= olor: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> --</div> <div class=3D"elementToProof" style=3D"font-family: Aptos, Aptos_EmbeddedFo= nt, Aptos_MSFontService, Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; c= olor: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> <br> </div> <div class=3D"elementToProof" style=3D"font-family: Aptos, Aptos_EmbeddedFo= nt, Aptos_MSFontService, Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; c= olor: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> Original query (Feb 1, 2024):</div> <div class=3D"elementToProof" style=3D"font-family: Aptos, Aptos_EmbeddedFo= nt, Aptos_MSFontService, Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; c= olor: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> <br> </div> <div class=3D"elementToProof" style=3D"font-family: Aptos, Aptos_EmbeddedFo= nt, Aptos_MSFontService, Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; c= olor: black;"> Dear List,</div> <div class=3D"elementToProof" style=3D"direction: ltr; text-align: left; te= xt-indent: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); margin: 0px; font-siz= e: 15px; color: rgb(36, 36, 36);"> <br> </div> <div style=3D"direction: ltr; text-align: left; text-indent: 0px; backgroun= d-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); margin: 0px; font-size: 15px; color: rgb(36, 3= 6, 36);"> Is anyone aware of studies reporting empirical comparisons of speech fundam= ental frequency trajectories in English vs. Mandarin connected speech?= </div> <div style=3D"direction: ltr; text-align: left; text-indent: 0px; backgroun= d-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); margin: 0px; font-size: 15px; color: rgb(36, 3= 6, 36);"> <br> </div> <div class=3D"elementToProof" style=3D"direction: ltr; text-align: left; te= xt-indent: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); margin: 0px;"> <span style=3D"font-size: 15px; color: rgb(36, 36, 36);">In 1982 Eady publi= shed a paper on this topic and found that </span><span style=3D"font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; co= lor: rgb(36, 36, 36); line-height: 15.6933px;">=93</span><span style=3D"fon= t-family: "Open Sans", sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(51= , 51, 51); line-height: 15.6933px;">the speech of the Mandarin subjects displayed a greater average rate of <i>F</i></span><= span style=3D"font-family: "Open Sans", sans-serif; font-size: 9p= t; color: rgb(51, 51, 51); line-height: 12.84px;"><sub>o</sub></span><span = style=3D"font-family: "Open Sans", sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; c= olor: rgb(51, 51, 51); line-height: 15.6933px;"> change than that of the American subjects. The Chinese speech was also characteri= zed by more <i>F</i></span><span style=3D"font-family: "Open Sans", sans-seri= f; font-size: 9pt; color: rgb(51, 51, 51); line-height: 12.84px;"><sub>o</s= ub></span><span style=3D"font-family: "Open Sans", sans-serif; fo= nt-size: 11pt; color: rgb(51, 51, 51); line-height: 15.6933px;"> fluct= uations (peaks and valleys) as a function of time and as a function of the number = of syllables.=94</span></div> <div style=3D"direction: ltr; text-align: left; text-indent: 0px; backgroun= d-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); margin: 0px; font-family: "Open Sans"= ;, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(51, 51, 51);"> <span style=3D"line-height: 15.6933px;"><br> </span></div> <div class=3D"elementToProof" style=3D"direction: ltr; text-align: left; te= xt-indent: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); margin: 0px;"> <span style=3D"font-family: "Open Sans", sans-serif; font-size: 1= 1pt; color: rgb(51, 51, 51); line-height: 15.6933px;">(</span><span style= =3D"font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; color: rgb(36, 36, 36)= ;">Eady, S. J. (1982). Differences in the F0 patterns of speech: Tone language versus stress language. <i>Language and speech</i= >, <i> 25</i>(1), 29-42.)</span></div> <div style=3D"direction: ltr; text-align: left; text-indent: 0px; backgroun= d-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); margin: 0px; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; f= ont-size: 13px; color: rgb(34, 34, 34);"> <span style=3D"line-height: 15.6933px;"><br> </span></div> <div style=3D"direction: ltr; text-align: left; text-indent: 0px; backgroun= d-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); margin: 0px; font-family: "Open Sans"= ;, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(51, 51, 51);"> Twenty years later Keating and Kuo revisited this issue and also found some= differences in F0 patterns in the two languages, but also found that the c= hoice of speech materials can influence the results.</div> <div style=3D"direction: ltr; text-align: left; text-indent: 0px; backgroun= d-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); margin: 0px; font-size: 15px; color: rgb(36, 3= 6, 36);"> <br> </div> <div class=3D"elementToProof" style=3D"direction: ltr; text-align: left; te= xt-indent: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); margin: 0px;"> <span style=3D"font-family: "Open Sans", sans-serif; font-size: 1= 4.67px; color: rgb(51, 51, 51);">(</span><span style=3D"font-family: Arial,= sans-serif; font-size: 13px; color: rgb(34, 34, 34); line-height: 15.6933p= x;">Keating, P., & Kuo, G. (2012). Comparison of speaking fundamental frequency in English a</span><span style=3D"font-f= amily: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; color: rgb(36, 36, 36);">nd Mand= arin. <i>The Journal of the Acoustical Society of America</i>, <i>132</i>(2), 105= 0-1060.)</span></div> <div style=3D"direction: ltr; text-align: left; text-indent: 0px; backgroun= d-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); margin: 0px; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; f= ont-size: 13px; color: rgb(36, 36, 36);"> <br> </div> <div style=3D"direction: ltr; text-align: left; text-indent: 0px; backgroun= d-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); margin: 0px; font-family: "Open Sans"= ;, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(51, 51, 51);"> <span style=3D"line-height: 15.6933px;">Is anyone aware of more recent stud= ies?</span></div> <div style=3D"direction: ltr; text-align: left; text-indent: 0px; backgroun= d-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); margin: 0px; font-family: "Open Sans"= ;, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(51, 51, 51);"> <span style=3D"line-height: 15.6933px;"><br> </span></div> <div class=3D"elementToProof" style=3D"direction: ltr; text-align: left; te= xt-indent: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); margin: 0px; font-fam= ily: "Open Sans", sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(51, 51,= 51);"> Thanks,</div> <div style=3D"direction: ltr; text-align: left; text-indent: 0px; backgroun= d-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); margin: 0px; font-family: "Open Sans"= ;, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(51, 51, 51);"> <span style=3D"line-height: 15.6933px;">Ani</span></div> <div style=3D"text-align: left; text-indent: 0px; background-color: rgb(255= , 255, 255); margin: 0px; font-family: Aptos, Aptos_EmbeddedFont, Aptos_MSF= ontService, Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: black;"= > <br> </div> <div style=3D"background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); margin: 0px;"> <div class=3D"elementToProof" style=3D"margin: 0px; font-family: Aptos, Apt= os_EmbeddedFont, Aptos_MSFontService, Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-= size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> -------------------------------</div> </div> <div class=3D"elementToProof" style=3D"text-align: left; text-indent: 0px; = background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); margin: 0px; font-family: Aptos, Apto= s_EmbeddedFont, Aptos_MSFontService, Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-s= ize: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> <br> Papers sent in response to query:</div> <div class=3D"elementToProof" style=3D"font-family: Aptos, Aptos_EmbeddedFo= nt, Aptos_MSFontService, Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; c= olor: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> <br> </div> <div class=3D"elementToProof" style=3D"font-family: Aptos, Aptos_EmbeddedFo= nt, Aptos_MSFontService, Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; c= olor: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> Ding, H., Hoffmann, R., & Hirst, D. (2016). Prosodic transfer: A compar= ison study of F0 patterns in L2 English by Chinese speakers. In: <i>Proceedings of Speech Prosody</i> (pp. 756=96760). Boston, MA.</div= > <div class=3D"elementToProof" style=3D"font-family: Aptos, Aptos_EmbeddedFo= nt, Aptos_MSFontService, Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; c= olor: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> <br> </div> <div class=3D"elementToProof" style=3D"font-family: Aptos, Aptos_EmbeddedFo= nt, Aptos_MSFontService, Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; c= olor: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> Yuan, J., & Liberman, M. (2014). F0 declination in English and mandarin= broadcast news speech. <i>Speech Communication</i> 65, 67=9674.</div> <div class=3D"elementToProof" style=3D"font-family: Aptos, Aptos_EmbeddedFo= nt, Aptos_MSFontService, Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; c= olor: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> <br> </div> <div class=3D"elementToProof" style=3D"font-family: Aptos, Aptos_EmbeddedFo= nt, Aptos_MSFontService, Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; c= olor: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> From Jan Schnupp, Feb 2, 2024:</div> <div class=3D"elementToProof" style=3D"font-family: Aptos, Aptos_EmbeddedFo= nt, Aptos_MSFontService, Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; c= olor: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> <br> </div> <div class=3D"elementToProof" style=3D"font-size: 15px; color: rgb(36, 36, = 36);">I am not aware of more recent studies, but it would surprise me if pe= ople had done much more on this given that the use of F0 as a semantic tone= marker in Chinese but not in English makes a wider range of F0 almost inevitable. </div> <div class=3D"elementToProof" style=3D"text-align: left; text-indent: 0px; = background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); margin: 0px; font-size: 15px; color: = rgb(36, 36, 36);"> What I find interesting (and possibly under-researched), is not so much the= range of F0 variation, but the extremely fast rate at which F0 rises in Ch= inese tone 2 or falls in tone 4. If anyone was to revisit this, then lookin= g at the speed of F0 change would be of interest. My hunch is that Western 2nd language learners of Chinese = particularly struggle with the fast changes.</div> <div class=3D"elementToProof" style=3D"font-family: Aptos, Aptos_EmbeddedFo= nt, Aptos_MSFontService, Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; c= olor: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> </div> </body> </html> --_000_SA3PR05MB10385C8700CB1B1C6E119D45EE32D2SA3PR05MB10385na_--