Subject: Re: [AUDITORY] Electric vehicles acoustic discrimination From: Flaithri Neff <Flaithri.Neff@xxxxxxxx> Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2024 08:07:31 +0000--_000_PAWPR09MB6221332DC452E91104AFE9138A6A2PAWPR09MB6221eurp_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Leonardo, The ISO standard that looks at acoustic emissions (not AVAS) for motorcycle= s is ISO 362-2:2009 (not mopeds). However, from a regulation perspective, t= he document to reference would be UNECE Reg 41: https://unece.org/fileadmin= /DAM/trans/main/wp29/wp29regs/R041r2e.pdf For mopeds, there seems to be an old standard currently under review ISO 96= 45:1990. Flaithr=ED. My work day may look different to your work day. Please do not feel any pre= ssure to respond outside of your own work schedule. From: LEONARDO GABRIELLI <l.gabrielli@xxxxxxxx> Date: Thursday, 4 January 2024 at 09:03 To: Flaithri Neff <Flaithri.Neff@xxxxxxxx>, AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx <AUDITOR= Y@xxxxxxxx> Subject: Re: [AUDITORY] Electric vehicles acoustic discrimination STOP! Is this a phishing email? This email originated from an external sour= ce. Do not click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender = and know the content is safe. BTW: since we are speaking of regulations, what are the regulations for cer= tifying commercialization of motorbikes in terms of acoustic emissions? I'm= looking with interest in the frequency masks and engine conditions used by= the current (EU) regulations. Best regards ________________________________ From: AUDITORY - Research in Auditory Perception <AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx>= on behalf of Flaithri Neff <Flaithri.Neff@xxxxxxxx> Sent: Thursday, January 4, 2024 7:14 AM To: AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx <AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx> Subject: Re: [AUDITORY] Electric vehicles acoustic discrimination Dear Frederico, I will be starting a project with the National Disability Authority in Irel= and quite soon in a similar area, specifically concerning speeds 20km/h and= below. We will also want to compare IC engine sounds (across reasonable ve= hicle-age ranges as Leonardo correctly points out) and AVAS in EVs. Our pri= mary reference point has been ISO 16254 and several other indirectly relate= d standards (e.g. ISO 362), and subsequent regs like UNECE Reg 138 and Regu= lation (EU) No 540/2014. The literature is quite sparse on the ground in relation to perceptual eval= uations of these sound signatures. Given the speed cap in our project, tyre= -on-road will be less of a factor for us and our research will focus on urb= an centres rather than highways. Ultimately, we are going to have to build the datasets for our project. One= of our preliminary tasks for this is how we structure these data and corre= sponding metadata, as there=92s more to this than just the acoustic signatu= re itself. We intend on hosting these datasets on a Irish national pilot pl= atform based on EUDAT services, called IRLDAT. Feel free to send me an email to link up. Leonardo: very interesting information and papers =96 thanks for sharing. Le gach dea-ghu=ED / Best wishes, Flaithr=ED. ---- Technological University of the Shannon, Ireland. https://tus.ie https://lero.ie From: AUDITORY - Research in Auditory Perception <AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx>= on behalf of Frederico Pereira <pereira.frederico@xxxxxxxx> Date: Wednesday, 3 January 2024 at 05:20 To: AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx <AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx> Subject: [AUDITORY] Electric vehicles acoustic discrimination STOP! Is this a phishing email? This email originated from an external sour= ce. Do not click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender = and know the content is safe. Dear Auditory List, I hope this message finds you well. I am currently in search of published research pertaining to the discrimina= tion of electric vehicles compared to internal combustion vehicles based on= noise emissions. Specifically, I am interested in studies that explore the= feasibility of implementing such discrimination systems in highway enviro= nments (such as installed in span structures, toll plazas, etc..). I acknowledge inherent challenges associated with this task, including issu= es related to extraneous noise, the utilization of Acoustic Vehicle Alertin= g Systems (AVAS), and, notably(?), the dominance of tire-road noise at high= er velocities. My particular interest lies in uncovering research that delv= es into specific acoustic features that may be extracted from microphone ar= ray beamforming systems. From searches on Google Scholar, I was unable to find substantial literatur= e on this specific topic. Therefore, I am reaching out to the esteemed memb= ers of this community to inquire if any of you could direct me towards rele= vant literature addressing this topic. Thank you in advance for your assistance. - Frederico -- Frederico Pereira Mobile:+351 937356301 Audio and Acoustics, Perception Interaction and Usability Email:pereira.frederico@xxxxxxxx<mailto:Email%3Apereira.frederico@xxxxxxxx= m> Email Disclaimer - https://tus.ie/privacy-policy/email-disclaimer/ Email Disclaimer - https://tus.ie/privacy-policy/email-disclaimer/ --_000_PAWPR09MB6221332DC452E91104AFE9138A6A2PAWPR09MB6221eurp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <html xmlns:v=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:o=3D"urn:schemas-micr= osoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" = xmlns:m=3D"http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/2004/12/omml" xmlns=3D"http:= //www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40"> <head> <meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3DWindows-1= 252"> <meta name=3D"Generator" content=3D"Microsoft Word 15 (filtered medium)"> <!--[if !mso]><style>v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} o\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} w\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} .shape {behavior:url(#default#VML);} </style><![endif]--><style><!-- /* Font Definitions */ @xxxxxxxx {font-family:"Cambria Math"; panose-1:2 4 5 3 5 4 6 3 2 4;} @xxxxxxxx {font-family:Calibri; panose-1:2 15 5 2 2 2 4 3 2 4;} @xxxxxxxx {font-family:"Calibri Light"; panose-1:2 15 3 2 2 2 4 3 2 4;} @xxxxxxxx {font-family:Aptos; panose-1:2 11 0 4 2 2 2 2 2 4;} @xxxxxxxx {font-family:"Times New Roman \(Body CS\)"; panose-1:2 11 6 4 2 2 2 2 2 4;} /* Style Definitions */ p.MsoNormal, li.MsoNormal, div.MsoNormal {margin:0cm; font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;} a:link, span.MsoHyperlink {mso-style-priority:99; color:blue; text-decoration:underline;} p.xmsonormal, li.xmsonormal, div.xmsonormal {mso-style-name:x_msonormal; margin:0cm; font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;} span.xm9137478987894793065apple-converted-space {mso-style-name:x_m9137478987894793065apple-converted-space;} span.xm9137478987894793065outlook-search-highlight {mso-style-name:x_m9137478987894793065outlook-search-highlight;} span.EmailStyle24 {mso-style-type:personal-reply; font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif; color:windowtext;} .MsoChpDefault {mso-style-type:export-only; font-size:10.0pt; mso-ligatures:none;} @xxxxxxxx WordSection1 {size:612.0pt 792.0pt; margin:72.0pt 72.0pt 72.0pt 72.0pt;} div.WordSection1 {page:WordSection1;} --></style><!--[if gte mso 9]><xml> <o:shapedefaults v:ext=3D"edit" spidmax=3D"1026" /> </xml><![endif]--><!--[if gte mso 9]><xml> <o:shapelayout v:ext=3D"edit"> <o:idmap v:ext=3D"edit" data=3D"1" /> </o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--> </head> <body lang=3D"EN-IE" link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"purple" style=3D"word-wrap:brea= k-word"> <div class=3D"WordSection1"> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:"Calibri Light"= ,sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Hi Leonardo, <o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:"Calibri Light"= ,sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:"Calibri Light"= ,sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">The ISO standard that looks at acou= stic emissions (not AVAS) for motorcycles is ISO 362-2:2009 (not mopeds). H= owever, from a regulation perspective, the document to reference would be UNECE Reg 41: <a href=3D"https://unece.org/fileadmin= /DAM/trans/main/wp29/wp29regs/R041r2e.pdf"> https://unece.org/fileadmin/DAM/trans/main/wp29/wp29regs/R041r2e.pdf</a><o:= p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:"Calibri Light"= ,sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:"Calibri Light"= ,sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">For mopeds, there seems to be an ol= d standard currently under review ISO 9645:1990.<o:p></o:p></span></p> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:"Calibri Light"= ,sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:"Calibri Light"= ,sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Flaithr=ED.<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:"Calibri Light"= ,sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> </div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><i><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;color:#201F1E">My= work day may look different to your work day. Please do not feel any press= ure to respond outside of your own work schedule.</span></i><span style=3D"= font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US= "><o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:"Calibri Light"= ,sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <div id=3D"mail-editor-reference-message-container"> <div> <div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm = 0cm 0cm"> <p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><b><span style=3D"fon= t-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif;color:black">From: </span></b><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sa= ns-serif;color:black">LEONARDO GABRIELLI <l.gabrielli@xxxxxxxx>= ;<br> <b>Date: </b>Thursday, 4 January 2024 at 09:03<br> <b>To: </b>Flaithri Neff <Flaithri.Neff@xxxxxxxx>, AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx= L.CA <AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx><br> <b>Subject: </b>Re: [AUDITORY] Electric vehicles acoustic discrimination<o:= p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div align=3D"center"> <table class=3D"MsoNormalTable" border=3D"1" cellspacing=3D"0" cellpadding= =3D"0" width=3D"100%" style=3D"width:100.0%;background:orange"> <tbody> <tr> <td nowrap=3D"" style=3D"padding:7.5pt 7.5pt 7.5pt 7.5pt"> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black">STOP! Is this a phishing= email? This email originated from an external source. Do not click links o= r open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the content is = safe.</span><o:p></o:p></p> </td> </tr> </tbody> </table> </div> <div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal">BTW: since we are speaking of regulations, what are = the regulations for certifying commercialization of motorbikes in terms of = acoustic emissions? I'm looking with interest in the frequency masks and en= gine conditions used by the current (EU) regulations.<o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal">Best regards <o:p></o:p></p> </div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p> <div class=3D"MsoNormal" align=3D"center" style=3D"text-align:center"> <hr size=3D"2" width=3D"98%" align=3D"center"> </div> <div id=3D"divRplyFwdMsg"> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"color:black">From:</span></b><span= style=3D"color:black"> AUDITORY - Research in Auditory Perception <AUDI= TORY@xxxxxxxx> on behalf of Flaithri Neff <Flaithri.Neff@xxxxxxxx= E><br> <b>Sent:</b> Thursday, January 4, 2024 7:14 AM<br> <b>To:</b> AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx <AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx><br> <b>Subject:</b> Re: [AUDITORY] Electric vehicles acoustic discrimination</s= pan> <o:p> </o:p></p> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p> </div> </div> <div> <div> <p class=3D"xmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"C= alibri Light",sans-serif">Dear Frederico, </span><o:p></o:p></p> <p class=3D"xmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"C= alibri Light",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p> <p class=3D"xmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"C= alibri Light",sans-serif">I will be starting a project with the Nation= al Disability Authority in Ireland quite soon in a similar area, specifical= ly concerning speeds 20km/h and below. We will also want to compare IC engine sounds (across reasonable vehicle-age range= s as Leonardo correctly points out) and AVAS in EVs. Our primary reference = point has been ISO 16254 and several other indirectly related standards (e.= g. ISO 362), and subsequent regs like UNECE Reg 138 and Regulation (EU) No 540/2014. </span><o:p></o:p></p> <p class=3D"xmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"C= alibri Light",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p> <p class=3D"xmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"C= alibri Light",sans-serif">The literature is quite sparse on the ground= in relation to perceptual evaluations of these sound signatures. Given the= speed cap in our project, tyre-on-road will be less of a factor for us and our research will focus on urban centres rathe= r than highways. </span><o:p></o:p></p> <p class=3D"xmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"C= alibri Light",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p> <p class=3D"xmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"C= alibri Light",sans-serif">Ultimately, we are going to have to build th= e datasets for our project. One of our preliminary tasks for this is how we= structure these data and corresponding metadata, as there=92s more to this than just the acoustic signature itself. We inte= nd on hosting these datasets on a Irish national pilot platform based on EU= DAT services, called IRLDAT. </span><o:p></o:p></p> <p class=3D"xmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"C= alibri Light",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p> <p class=3D"xmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"C= alibri Light",sans-serif">Feel free to send me an email to link up.</s= pan><o:p></o:p></p> <p class=3D"xmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"C= alibri Light",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p> <p class=3D"xmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"C= alibri Light",sans-serif">Leonardo: very interesting information and p= apers =96 thanks for sharing. </span><o:p></o:p></p> <p class=3D"xmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"C= alibri Light",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p> <p class=3D"xmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"C= alibri Light",sans-serif">Le gach dea-ghu=ED / Best wishes, </span><o:p></o:p></p> <p class=3D"xmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"C= alibri Light",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p> <p class=3D"xmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"C= alibri Light",sans-serif">Flaithr=ED. </span><o:p></o:p></p> <p class=3D"xmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"C= alibri Light",sans-serif;color:black">----</span><o:p></o:p></p> <p class=3D"xmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"C= alibri Light",sans-serif">Technological University of the Shannon, Ire= land.</span><o:p></o:p></p> <p class=3D"xmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"C= alibri Light",sans-serif"><a href=3D"https://tus.ie"><span style=3D"co= lor:#0563C1">https://tus.ie</span></a> </span><o:p></o:p></p> <p class=3D"xmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"C= alibri Light",sans-serif"><a href=3D"https://lero.ie"><span style=3D"c= olor:#0563C1">https://lero.ie</span></a> </span><o:p></o:p></p> <p class=3D"xmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"C= alibri Light",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p> <p class=3D"xmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"C= alibri Light",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p> <div id=3D"x_mail-editor-reference-message-container"> <div> <div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm = 0cm 0cm"> <p class=3D"xmsonormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><b><span style=3D"fo= nt-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif;color:black">From: </span></b><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sa= ns-serif;color:black">AUDITORY - Research in Auditory Perception <AUDITO= RY@xxxxxxxx> on behalf of Frederico Pereira <pereira.frederico= @xxxxxxxx><br> <b>Date: </b>Wednesday, 3 January 2024 at 05:20<br> <b>To: </b>AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx <AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx><br> <b>Subject: </b>[AUDITORY] Electric vehicles acoustic discrimination</span>= <o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div align=3D"center"> <table class=3D"MsoNormalTable" border=3D"1" cellspacing=3D"0" cellpadding= =3D"0" width=3D"100%" style=3D"width:100.0%;background:orange"> <tbody> <tr> <td nowrap=3D"" style=3D"padding:7.5pt 7.5pt 7.5pt 7.5pt"> <p class=3D"xmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;color:black">STOP! = Is this a phishing email? This email originated from an external source. Do= not click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and kn= ow the content is safe.</span><o:p></o:p></p> </td> </tr> </tbody> </table> </div> <div> <div> <p class=3D"xmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;color:#212121">Dear= <span class=3D"xm9137478987894793065apple-converted-space"> </span><sp= an class=3D"xm9137478987894793065outlook-search-highlight">Auditory</span><= span class=3D"xm9137478987894793065apple-converted-space"> </span>List= ,</span><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p> <div> <p class=3D"xmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt"> </span><o:p>= </o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class=3D"xmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt">I hope this messag= e finds you well. </span><o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class=3D"xmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt">I am currently in = search of published research pertaining to the discrimination of electric v= ehicles compared to internal combustion vehicles based on noise emissions. = Specifically, I am interested in studies that explore the feasibility of implementing such discrimination systems i= n highway environments (such as installed in span structures, toll pl= azas, etc..).</span><o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class=3D"xmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt"> </span><o:p>= </o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class=3D"xmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt">I acknowledge inhe= rent challenges associated with this task, including issues related to extr= aneous noise, the utilization of Acoustic Vehicle Alerting Systems (AVAS), = and, notably(?), the dominance of tire-road noise at higher velocities. My particular interest lies in uncovering rese= arch that delves into specific acoustic features that may be extracted= from microphone array beamforming systems.</span><o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class=3D"xmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt"> </span><o:p>= </o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class=3D"xmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt">From searches on G= oogle Scholar, I was unable to find substantial literature on this specific= topic. Therefore, I am reaching out to the esteemed members of this commun= ity to inquire if any of you could direct me towards relevant literature addressing this topic.</span><o:p></o:p></p= > </div> <div> <p class=3D"xmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt"> </span= ><o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class=3D"xmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt">Thank you in advan= ce for your assistance.</span><o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class=3D"xmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt"> </span><o:p>= </o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class=3D"xmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt">- Frederico</span>= <o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class=3D"xmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt"> </span><o:p>= </o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class=3D"xmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt">-- </span><o:= p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <div> <div> <p class=3D"xmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt">Frederico Pereira<= br> Mobile:+351 937356301 </span><o:p></o:p></p> <div> <p class=3D"xmsonormal"><i><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt">Audio and Acous= tics, Perception Interaction and Usability</span></i><o:p></o:p></p> <div> <div> <p class=3D"xmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt"><a href=3D"mailto:= Email%3Apereira.frederico@xxxxxxxx" target=3D"_blank">Email:pereira.freder= ico@xxxxxxxx</a></span><o:p></o:p></p> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal">Email Disclaimer - https://tus.ie/privacy-policy/ema= il-disclaimer/ <o:p></o:p></p> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> Email Disclaimer - https://tus.ie/privacy-policy/email-disclaimer/ </body> </html> --_000_PAWPR09MB6221332DC452E91104AFE9138A6A2PAWPR09MB6221eurp_--