Re: [AUDITORY] arXiv web of trust (Brian FG Katz )

Subject: Re: [AUDITORY] arXiv web of trust From: Brian FG Katz <brian.katz@xxxxxxxx> Date: Wed, 24 May 2023 09:41:11 +0200 This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_027A_01D98E23.DFAC9790 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I think there is a dangerous misnomer using the term pre-print, vs = post-print.=20 =20 Pre-print is an unreviewed un-published work, only submitted elsewhere = for consideration. It has no more reference value than a blog, and maybe = should be re-termed as such. Any results are therefore to be taken with = a grain of salt, as with many conference papers which lack any = significant review process.=20 =20 While rapid sharing of one=E2=80=99s work may have interest, serious = peer-review acceptance is rarely a question of typo or minor errors, = more typically involving revisions to analysis regularly requiring = (significant) changes to the manuscript, or even identification of = protocol errors hindering publication of the work due to invalid = results.=20 =20 I will not enter into the discussion of cost and compensation, as this = varies greatly between journals and organisations. However, I would = remain on the side of the need for serious peer-review.=20 -- Brian FG Katz, Research Director, CNRS Groupe Lutheries - Acoustique =E2=80=93 Musique Sorbonne Universit=C3=A9, CNRS, UMR 7190, Institut Jean Le Rond = =E2=88=82'Alembert=20 http://www.dalembert.upmc.fr/home/katz =20 =20 On Tue, 23 May 2023 at 12:15, Matt Flax <flatmax@xxxxxxxx = <mailto:flatmax@xxxxxxxx> > wrote: Is anyone publishing on arXiv at the moment ? It seems that to publish=20 there they rely on a web of trust. There is an Audio and Speech section of arXiv which would suit our=20 community. thanks Matt ------=_NextPart_000_027A_01D98E23.DFAC9790 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <html xmlns:v=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" = xmlns:o=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" = xmlns:w=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" = xmlns:m=3D"http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/2004/12/omml" = xmlns=3D"http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40"><head><meta = http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; charset=3Dutf-8"><meta = name=3DGenerator content=3D"Microsoft Word 15 (filtered = medium)"><style></style></head><body lang=3DEN-GB link=3Dblue = vlink=3Dpurple><div class=3DWordSection1>I think there is a dangerous = misnomer using the term pre-print, vs post-print. = <o:p></o:p><o:p> </o:p>Pre-print = is an unreviewed un-published work, only submitted elsewhere for = consideration. It has no more reference value than a blog, and maybe = should be re-termed as such. Any results are therefore to be taken with = a grain of salt, as with many conference papers which lack any = significant review process. <o:p></o:p><o:p> </o:p>While rapid = sharing of one=E2=80=99s work may have interest, serious peer-review = acceptance is rarely a question of typo or minor errors, more typically = involving revisions to analysis regularly requiring (significant) = changes to the manuscript, or even identification of protocol errors = hindering publication of the work due to invalid results. = <o:p></o:p><o:p> </o:p>I will not = enter into the discussion of cost and compensation, as this varies = greatly between journals and organisations. However, I would remain on = the side of the need for serious peer-review. <o:p></o:p>--<o:p></o:p>Brian FG Katz, Research = Director, CNRS<o:p></o:p>Groupe Lutheries - Acoustique = =E2=80=93 Musique<o:p></o:p>Sorbonne Universit=C3=A9, CNRS, = UMR 7190, Institut Jean Le Rond =E2=88=82'Alembert <o:p></o:p><a = href=3D"http://www.dalembert.upmc.fr/home/katz">http://www.dalembert.upmc= .fr/home/katz</a><o:p></o:p><o:p> </o:p><o:p> </o:p><div><div>On = Tue, 23 May 2023 at 12:15, Matt Flax <<a = href=3D"mailto:flatmax@xxxxxxxx">flatmax@xxxxxxxx</a>> = wrote:<o:p></o:p></div><blockquote = style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm = 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'>Is anyone = publishing on arXiv at the moment ? It seems that to publish there = they rely on a web of trust. There is an Audio and Speech section = of arXiv which would suit our = community. thanks Matt<o:p></o:p></blockquote></div= ></div></body></html> ------=_NextPart_000_027A_01D98E23.DFAC9790--

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