Subject: Re: [AUDITORY] arXiv web of trust From: Matt Flax <flatmax@xxxxxxxx> Date: Wed, 24 May 2023 10:21:47 +1000This is great Jonathan, I'll contact you off list to talk a little more on biorxiv and psyarxiv. Just the other day I was approached to review an article - but as you=20 all know there is no payment for reviewing articles. It is hard for=20 someone outside of a very large organisation to find the time to review=20 others articles. This harks back to the discussion around how ripe the=20 publication system is for disruption. The basic argument goes something=20 like : The journals are paid to publish and host researcher's articles,=20 but the journals don't pay reviewers and others involved in the process.=20 There is nothing propping up the mechanism of publishing at the bottom=20 end, so the machine will eventually grind to a halt and the top will fall. There are also other common arguments around the right of free access to=20 research publications for people outside of academic institutions and=20 large companies. In this day and age of online social networks, it really isn't that=20 difficult to gather a publication's weight directly from citation=20 frequency and other metrics - no matter where the article is published.=20 Similarly the comments and opinions of readers can be integrated and=20 associated with publications on the same site on the internet - without=20 the need to lengthy antiquated review processes. In my opinion the whole=20 publication system should be reenvisioned and modernised. Aaron Swartz should not have been reprocessed by the fabric of the=20 west's systems without instigating change. Matt On 23/5/23 22:54, Jonathan Z Simon wrote: > Matt, > > In this context I would avoid the term =E2=80=9Cpublishing=E2=80=9D, si= nce that has=20 > such a different meaning for so many people, but I personally do take=20 > advantage of posting preprints on a public server (like arXiv) almost=20 > every chance I get. > > Preprints (preprint =3D a fully written paper that is not (yet)=20 > published) have been useful for many decades, originally in physics,=20 > as a way of getting one's research results out in a timely manner.=20 > Other key benefits are that it establishes primacy of the research=20 > findings, that it is citable in other researchers' papers, and that it=20 > can be promoted by social media such as this listserve (more below on=20 > this). But the biggest benefit is typically getting the paper out into=20 > the world for others to learn from, without having to wait based on=20 > the whims of publishers and individual reviewers. If most of your=20 > published papers get accepted eventually, and the most important=20 > findings don=E2=80=99t get cut in the review process, then preprints ar= e=20 > something you should definitely consider. Reviewers often make=20 > published papers better, but maybe not so much better that it=E2=80=99s= worth=20 > waiting many months for others to see your results. > > arXiv is the oldest website for posting preprints, and if its Audio=20 > and Speech section is active, that might be a good place to post your=20 > preprints. But there may be other options for you. As an auditory=20 > neuroscientist I typically use bioRxiv (e.g., "Changes in Cortical=20 > Directional Connectivity during Difficult Listening in Younger and=20 > Older Adults=E2=80=9D=20 > <https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2023.05.19.541500>), but I=20 > also use PsyArXiv if the topic is more perceptual than neural (e.g.,=20 > =E2=80=9CAttention Mobilization as a Modulator of Listening Effort: Evi= dence=20 > from Pupillometry=E2=80=9D <https://psyarxiv.com/u5xw2>). [See what I m= ean=20 > about promoting your research on social media?] > > I=E2=80=99m sure others have opinions too. > > Jonathan > > >> On May 22, 2023, at 6:45 PM, Matt Flax <flatmax@xxxxxxxx> wrote: >> >> Is anyone publishing on arXiv at the moment ? It seems that to=20 >> publish there they rely on a web of trust. >> >> There is an Audio and Speech section of arXiv which would suit our=20 >> community. >> >> thanks >> >> Matt > > -- > Jonathan Z. Simon (he/him) > University of Maryland > Dept. of Electrical & Computer=C2=A0Engineering / Dept. of Biology=20 > /=C2=A0Institute for Systems Research > 8223 Paint Branch Dr. > College Park, MD 20742 USA > Office: 1-301-405-3645, Lab: 1-301-405-9604, Fax: 1-301-314-9281 > http://www.isr.umd.edu/Labs/CSSL/simonlab/ > >