Subject: Re: [AUDITORY] Recommendations on sound field speakers and soundcard From: =?utf-8?Q?Krzysztof_Basi=C5=84ski?= <k.basinski@xxxxxxxx> Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2023 10:56:40 +0100--Apple-Mail=_E7E9BED5-E82D-4FA6-B15C-843E7526B47F Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Hi Victoria, In terms of soundcards (audio interfaces), for experimental work I = really recommend going for an pro audio interface with good quality = AD/DA converters and digitally controlled preamps. This way you can = calibrate the output level of a playback system and save the exact = preamp setting for later to get reproducible results. In terms of = specific interfaces, you would probably want to look at the pro audio = market. I=E2=80=99d suggest going either for anything from RME (very = high quality and great software support but also expensive), MOTU (the = UltraLite series, slightly cheaper than RME) or Focusrite (Clarett = series). The specific model of the interface depends on your = input/output needs (for talkback capability, recording participant = responses, multiple streams of audio, hyperscanning setups, surround = systems, etc). I would personally go for something like RME UFX II or = UCX II, if budget allows. If not, I=E2=80=99d look at Focusrite Clarett+ = 2pre. That said, there are many great interfaces on the market right = now. In terms of speakers, I=E2=80=99d say a decent pair of studio monitors = is the way to go. You can look for example at Yamaha HS series for good = quality that does not break your budget. That said, if you want to use = speakers you need to think about room treatment. Depending on the size = of the room and the wall material, you would probably need to invest in = absorbers, diffusers and bass traps. This might get tricky so another = approach is to use headphones/earphones. Especially insert earphones are = well suited for EEG applications, like Etymotic ER3C. That said, you = might get away with a pair of good quality closed-ear headphones if your = careful. I used Beyerdynamic DT 770s as they are very comfortable to the = participant while providing good isolation and sound quality. Hope this helps. Best, Chris -- Krzysztof Basi=C5=84ski, Ph.D. ASSISTANT PROFESSOR Division of Quality of Life Research = <https://informator.gumed.edu.pl/23> Medical University of Gda=C5=84sk krzysztof.basinski@xxxxxxxx <mailto:krzysztof.basinski@xxxxxxxx> zbnjz@xxxxxxxx <mailto:zbnjz@xxxxxxxx> +48 58 349 1569 Tuwima 15, 80-210 Gda=C5=84sk=20 mug.edu.pl=C2=A0 <https://mug.edu.pl/> farU.edu.pl/en=C2=A0 <https://faru.edu.pl/en> =EF=BF=BC=20 Niniejsza wiadomo=C5=9B=C4=87 oraz jej za=C5=82=C4=85czniki mog=C4=85 = zawiera=C4=87 informacje chronione prawem. Je=C5=9Bli Pa=C5=84stwo nie = jeste=C5=9Bcie adresatem tej wiadomo=C5=9Bci, prosimy poinformowa=C4=87 = o tym fakcie nadawc=C4=99 i usun=C4=85=C4=87 j=C4=85 wraz z = za=C5=82=C4=85cznikami. Kopiowanie i/lub przesy=C5=82anie dalej = informacji zawartych w tej wiadomo=C5=9Bci przez osoby do tego = nieuprawnione jest zabronione. Administratorem Pa=C5=84stwa danych = osobowych jest Gda=C5=84ski Uniwersytet Medyczny. Informacja dotycz=C4=85c= a przetwarzania Pa=C5=84stwa danych dost=C4=99pna jest pod adresem = gumed.edu.pl/55839.html <https://gumed.edu.pl/55839.html> This e-mail and attachments to it may include information legally = privileged. It is intended solely for the recipient. If you are not the = recipient,please inform the sender accordingly and delete the e-mail = with all attachments received. Copying and/or disseminating this e-mail = and information included in the e-mail by unauthorised individuals is = strictly prohibited. Your personal data is administered by Medical = University of Gda=C5=84sk. Information on personal data processing is = available at gumed.edu.pl/55839.html <https://gumed.edu.pl/55839.html> > On 15 Feb 2023, at 17:38, Victoria Duda <victoria.duda@xxxxxxxx> = wrote: >=20 > Dear colleagues, > =20 > We have an experimental setup for EEG under headphones that we would = like to modify to soundfield. Could anyone provide some suggestions on = specific soundcards and speakers used in your labs? We plan to produce = recorded speech-in-noise via 2 speakers in a small room (approximately 9 = x 11 ft). > =20 > Any help would be appreciated, > Victoria =20 > =20 > Victoria Duda, Ph.D., membre de l=E2=80=99OOAQ > Professeure-chercheure adjointe et audiologiste > =C3=89cole d=E2=80=99orthophonie et d=E2=80=99audiologie, Facult=C3=A9 = de m=C3=A9decine > CRIR=E2=80=94IURDPM du CIUSSS CSMTL, Lucie Bruneau > Universit=C3=A9 de Montr=C3=A9al > 7077 ave. du Parc, local 3001-40 > Montr=C3=A9al, Qu=C3=A9bec H3N 1X7 > Tel: 514-343-6111, poste: 38884 > www.cat-lab.ca <http://www.cat-lab.ca/> > =20 > <image001.png> <image002.png> --Apple-Mail=_E7E9BED5-E82D-4FA6-B15C-843E7526B47F Content-Type: multipart/related; type="text/html"; boundary="Apple-Mail=_CD3759DF-ACD2-4E36-B2A4-00BCB0B5BDD3" --Apple-Mail=_CD3759DF-ACD2-4E36-B2A4-00BCB0B5BDD3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 <html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; = charset=3Dutf-8"></head><body style=3D"overflow-wrap: break-word; = -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;">Hi = Victoria,<div><br></div><div>In terms of soundcards (audio interfaces), = for experimental work I really recommend going for an pro audio = interface with good quality AD/DA converters and digitally controlled = preamps. This way you can calibrate the output level of a playback = system and save the exact preamp setting for later to get reproducible = results. In terms of specific interfaces, you would probably want to = look at the pro audio market. I=E2=80=99d suggest going either for = anything from RME (very high quality and great software support but also = expensive), MOTU (the UltraLite series, slightly cheaper than RME) or = Focusrite (Clarett series). The specific model of the interface depends = on your input/output needs (for talkback capability, recording = participant responses, multiple streams of audio, hyperscanning setups, = surround systems, etc). I would personally go for something like RME UFX = II or UCX II, if budget allows. If not, I=E2=80=99d look at Focusrite = Clarett+ 2pre. That said, there are many great interfaces on the market = right now.</div><div><br></div><div>In terms of speakers, I=E2=80=99d = say a decent pair of studio monitors is the way to go. You can look for = example at Yamaha HS series for good quality that does not break your = budget. That said, if you want to use speakers you need to think about = room treatment. Depending on the size of the room and the wall material, = you would probably need to invest in absorbers, diffusers and bass = traps. This might get tricky so another approach is to use = headphones/earphones. Especially insert earphones are well suited for = EEG applications, like Etymotic ER3C. That said, you might get away with = a pair of good quality closed-ear headphones if your careful. I used = Beyerdynamic DT 770s as they are very comfortable to the participant = while providing good isolation and sound = quality.</div><div><br></div><div>Hope this = helps.</div><div><br></div><div>Best,</div><div>Chris<br><div> <meta charset=3D"UTF-8"><div style=3D"font-family: Helvetica; font-size: = 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: = normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; = text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: = auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; = -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; caret-color: = rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><font face=3D"Arial" color=3D"#023f87"= size=3D"2"><b>--</b></font></div><div style=3D"font-family: Helvetica; = font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; = font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: = start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; = widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; = -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; caret-color: = rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><font face=3D"Arial" color=3D"#023f87"= size=3D"2"><b>Krzysztof Basi=C5=84ski, Ph.D.</b><br>ASSISTANT = PROFESSOR<br><b><a href=3D"https://informator.gumed.edu.pl/23" = style=3D"color: rgb(2, 63, 135) !important;">Division of Quality of Life = Research</a><br>Medical University of Gda=C5=84sk</b></font><span = style=3D"font-family: -webkit-standard; "></span><div = style=3D"font-family: -webkit-standard; margin: 7px 0px;"><font = face=3D"Arial" color=3D"#023f87" size=3D"2"><a = href=3D"mailto:krzysztof.basinski@xxxxxxxx" style=3D"color: rgb(2, = 63, 135) !important;">krzysztof.basinski@xxxxxxxx</a><br><a = href=3D"mailto:zbnjz@xxxxxxxx" style=3D"color: rgb(2, 63, 135) = !important;">zbnjz@xxxxxxxx</a><br>+48 58 349 1569<br>Tuwima 15, = 80-210 Gda=C5=84sk <br></font></div><font face=3D"Arial" = color=3D"#023f87" size=3D"2"><a href=3D"https://mug.edu.pl/" = style=3D"color: rgb(2, 63, 135) !important;">mug.edu.pl </a><br><a = href=3D"https://faru.edu.pl/en" style=3D"color: rgb(2, 63, 135) = !important;">farU.edu.pl/en </a><br></font><br style=3D"font-family: = -webkit-standard;"></div><span><img alt=3D"attachment.png" = src=3D"cid:319FB767-0F26-4411-945B-6D0B0F5B4E02"></span><meta = charset=3D"UTF-8"><span style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: = rgb(0, 0, 0); font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; = font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: = start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; = widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; = -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; font-family: = -webkit-standard; "> </span><br style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); = color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; = font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; = orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: = none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; = -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; = text-decoration: none; font-family: -webkit-standard;"><p = style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-style: normal; = font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; = orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: = none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; = -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; = text-decoration: none; font-size: 0.5em; font-family: arial; color: = rgb(128, 128, 128);">Niniejsza wiadomo=C5=9B=C4=87 oraz jej za=C5=82=C4=85= czniki mog=C4=85 zawiera=C4=87 informacje chronione prawem. Je=C5=9Bli = Pa=C5=84stwo nie jeste=C5=9Bcie adresatem tej wiadomo=C5=9Bci, prosimy = poinformowa=C4=87 o tym fakcie nadawc=C4=99 i usun=C4=85=C4=87 j=C4=85 = wraz z za=C5=82=C4=85cznikami. Kopiowanie i/lub przesy=C5=82anie dalej = informacji zawartych w tej wiadomo=C5=9Bci przez osoby do tego = nieuprawnione jest zabronione. Administratorem Pa=C5=84stwa danych = osobowych jest Gda=C5=84ski Uniwersytet Medyczny. Informacja dotycz=C4=85c= a przetwarzania Pa=C5=84stwa danych dost=C4=99pna jest pod = adresem <a href=3D"https://gumed.edu.pl/55839.html" style=3D"color: = rgb(128, 128, 128) !important;">gumed.edu.pl/55839.html</a><br><br>This = e-mail and attachments to it may include information legally privileged. = It is intended solely for the recipient. If you are not the = recipient,please inform the sender accordingly and delete the e-mail = with all attachments received. Copying and/or disseminating this e-mail = and information included in the e-mail by unauthorised individuals is = strictly prohibited. Your personal data is administered by Medical = University of Gda=C5=84sk. Information on personal data processing is = available at <a href=3D"https://gumed.edu.pl/55839.html" = style=3D"color: rgb(128, 128, 128) = !important;">gumed.edu.pl/55839.html</a></p> </div> <div><br><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div>On 15 Feb 2023, at 17:38, = Victoria Duda <victoria.duda@xxxxxxxx> wrote:</div><br = class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div><meta charset=3D"UTF-8"><div = class=3D"WordSection1" style=3D"page: WordSection1; caret-color: rgb(0, = 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; = font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; = text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: = normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; = text-decoration: none;"><div style=3D"margin: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; = font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang=3D"EN-US" = style=3D"font-size: 11pt;">Dear colleagues,<o:p></o:p></span></div><div = style=3D"margin: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, = sans-serif;"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: = 11pt;"><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm; = font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang=3D"EN-US" = style=3D"font-size: 11pt;">We have an experimental setup for EEG under = headphones that we would like to modify to soundfield. Could anyone = provide some suggestions on specific soundcards and speakers used in = your labs? We plan to produce recorded speech-in-noise via 2 speakers in = a small room (approximately 9 x 11 ft).<o:p></o:p></span></div><div = style=3D"margin: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, = sans-serif;"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: = 11pt;"><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm; = font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang=3D"EN-US" = style=3D"font-size: 11pt;">Any help would be = appreciated,<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm; = font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang=3D"EN-US" = style=3D"font-size: 11pt;">Victoria <o:p></o:p></span></div><div = style=3D"margin: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, = sans-serif;"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: = 11pt;"><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm; = font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; text-align: = justify;"><b><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt;">Victoria Duda, Ph.D., = membre de l=E2=80=99OOAQ</span></b><span style=3D"font-size: = 11pt;"><o:p></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm; font-size: = 12pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; text-align: justify;"><i><span = style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", = serif;">Professeure-chercheure adjointe et audiologiste</span></i><span = style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", = serif;"><o:p></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm; font-size: = 12pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; text-align: justify;"><span = style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", = serif;">=C3=89cole d=E2=80=99orthophonie et d=E2=80=99audiologie, = Facult=C3=A9 de m=C3=A9decine<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin:= 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; text-align: = justify;"><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Times New = Roman", serif;">CRIR=E2=80=94IURDPM du CIUSSS CSMTL, Lucie = Bruneau<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm; font-size: = 12pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; text-align: justify;"><span = style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", = serif;">Universit=C3=A9 de Montr=C3=A9al<o:p></o:p></span></div><div = style=3D"margin: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; = text-align: justify;"><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: = "Times New Roman", serif;">7077 ave. du Parc, local = 3001-40<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm; font-size: = 12pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; text-align: justify;"><span = style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", = serif;">Montr=C3=A9al, Qu=C3=A9bec H3N 1X7<o:p></o:p></span></div><div = style=3D"margin: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; = text-align: justify;"><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: = "Times New Roman", serif;">Tel: 514-343-6111, poste: = 38884<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; = font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; text-align: justify;"><span = 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