Subject: Re: [AUDITORY] Long/Low & Short/High? From: Roni Granot <roni.granot@xxxxxxxx> Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2022 16:14:27 +0200--000000000000a8ed0705ec7d7855 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Zohar Eitan and Hila Tamir-Ostrover showed something similar in a very different paradigm: Tamir-Ostrover, H., & Eitan, Z. (2015). Higher is faster: Pitch register and tempo preferences. *Music Perception: An Interdisciplinary Journal*, *33*(2), 179-198. *Roni Granot * *Department of Musicology * The Hebrew University of Jerusalem T +972.2.5883953 | F +972.2.5883944 | Roni.Granot@xxxxxxxx *https://scholars.huji.ac.il/ronigranot <https://scholars.huji.ac.il/ronigranot>* =E2=80=AB=D7=91=D7=AA=D7=90=D7=A8=D7=99=D7=9A =D7=99=D7=95=D7=9D =D7=93=D7= =B3, 2 =D7=91=D7=A0=D7=95=D7=91=D7=B3 2022 =D7=91-6:11 =D7=9E=D7=90=D7=AA = =E2=80=AALori Holt=E2=80=AC=E2=80=8F <=E2=80=AAlholt@xxxxxxxx =E2=80=AC=E2=80=8F>:=E2=80=AC > > Dear auditory aficionados, > > Fred Dick and I have been doing some work with a long-short tone duration > identification task (50ms vs 90ms) where tone frequency is chosen from on= e > of x values in a truncated range (e.g., 800Hz, 920Hz, 1000Hz, 1080Hz, > 1200Hz). (You might be familiar with this paradigm from Mondor & Bregman= , > 1994). > > We have found a weak but quite reliable effect, where subjects tend to > judge lower frequencies more often as 'long', and higher frequencies as > 'short'. This was unexpected yet remarkably consistent across a lot of > experiments. We have been unable to track down mention of this in the > literature. > > We did dig up a few papers that purported to be on the general topic of > frequency effects on duration judgments, but these ended up being about > different things entirely... > > We wondered whether anyone might be familiar with literature we've > missed- or maybe even have encountered something like this before > yourself? > > Best wishes, > Lori & Fred > > > ______________________________________________________________ > loriholt > Professor | Department of Psychology > Professor | Neuroscience Institute > Co-Director | Center for the Neural Basis of Cognition > Co-Director | Behavioral Brain (B2) Research Training Program (NIGMS) > Carnegie Mellon University > loriholt@xxxxxxxx | www.psy.cmu.edu/~holtlab/ > pronouns: she, her, hers > > --000000000000a8ed0705ec7d7855 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div dir=3D"rtl"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:tahoma,s= ans-serif" dir=3D"ltr">Zohar Eitan and Hila Tamir-Ostrover showed something= similar in a very different paradigm:</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" st= yle=3D"font-family:tahoma,sans-serif" dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div class=3D"g= mail_default" style=3D"font-family:tahoma,sans-serif" dir=3D"ltr"><div styl= e=3D"font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif"><span style=3D"font-family:Ari= al,sans-serif;font-size:13px">Tamir-Ostrover, H., & Eitan, Z. (2015). H= igher is faster: Pitch register and tempo preferences.=C2=A0</span><i style= =3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">Music Perception: An Inter= disciplinary Journal</i><span style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-si= ze:13px">,=C2=A0</span><i style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:1= 3px">33</i><span style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">(2),= 179-198.</span></div><div style=3D"font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif"= ><span style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><br></span></d= iv><div style=3D"font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;direction:rtl"><spa= n style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><br></span></div><b= r class=3D"gmail-Apple-interchange-newline"></div><div><div dir=3D"ltr" cla= ss=3D"gmail_signature" data-smartmail=3D"gmail_signature"><div dir=3D"ltr">= <div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div align=3D"left" dir= =3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"font-size:12.8000001907349px"><div><b 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clear=3D"all"></div><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr= "><div style=3D"font-size:12.8px"><div style=3D"font-family:verdana,sans-se= rif" class=3D"gmail_default">Dear auditory aficionados,</div><div style=3D"= font-family:verdana,sans-serif" class=3D"gmail_default"><br></div><div styl= e=3D"font-family:verdana,sans-serif" class=3D"gmail_default"><div><font siz= e=3D"2"><span style=3D"font-family:verdana,sans-serif">F<span class=3D"gmai= l_default">red Dick</span> and I have been doing some work w<span class=3D"= gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:verdana,sans-serif"></span>ith a long-s= hort tone duration=20 identification task (50ms vs 90ms) where tone frequency is chosen from=20 one of x values in a truncated range (e.g., 800Hz, 920Hz, 1000Hz,=20 1080Hz, 1200Hz).=C2=A0=C2=A0(You might be familiar with this paradigm from Mondor & Bregman, 1994).=C2=A0</span></font></div><div><= font size=3D"2"><span style=3D"font-family:verdana,sans-serif"></span></fon= t></div><div><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div style=3D"font-size= :12.8px"><font size=3D"2"><span style=3D"font-family:verdana,sans-serif"> <br> We have found a weak but quite reliable effect, where subjects tend to=20 judge lower frequencies more often as 'long', and higher frequencie= s as=20 'short'.=C2=A0 This was unexpected yet remarkably consistent=20 across a lot of experiments. We have been=20 unable to track down<span class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:verd= ana,sans-serif"> </span>mention of this in the literature.=C2=A0 =C2=A0<br> <br> We did dig up a few papers that purported to be on the general topic of=20 frequency effects on duration judgments, but these ended up being about=20 different things entirely...=C2=A0<br> <br> <span class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:verdana,sans-serif">We w= ondered whether</span> anyone might be familiar with=20 literature we've missed- or maybe even have encountered something like= =20 this before yourself?=C2=A0 <br></span></font></div><div style=3D"font-size= :12.8px"><font size=3D"2"><span style=3D"font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><b= r></span></font></div><div style=3D"font-size:12.8px"><font size=3D"2"><spa= n style=3D"font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><span class=3D"gmail_default" st= yle=3D"font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Best wishes,</span></span></font></d= iv><div style=3D"font-size:12.8px"><font size=3D"2"><span style=3D"font-fam= ily:verdana,sans-serif"><span class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:= verdana,sans-serif">Lori & Fred</span></span></font></div></div></div><= /div></div></div><br></div><div style=3D"font-size:12.8px"><br></div><div s= tyle=3D"font-size:12.8px">_________________________________________________= _____________</div><span style=3D"font-family:"arial black",sans-= serif;font-size:large"><font color=3D"#999999">lori</font></span><span styl= e=3D"font-family:"arial black",sans-serif;font-size:large"><font = color=3D"#444444">holt</font></span><div><div style=3D"font-size:small"><fo= nt color=3D"#999999"><font face=3D"tahoma, sans-serif">Professor=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0 </font></font><font color=3D"#999999"><font face=3D"tahoma, sans-= serif"><font color=3D"#999999"><span style=3D"font-family:tahoma,sans-serif= ">| </span></font>Department of Psychology</font></font></div><div style=3D= "font-size:small"><font color=3D"#999999"><span style=3D"font-family:tahoma= ,sans-serif">Professor=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 | Neuroscience Institute <br></spa= n></font></div><div style=3D"font-size:small"><font color=3D"#999999"><span= style=3D"font-family:tahoma,sans-serif">Co-Director | Center for the Neura= l Basis of Cognition<br></span></font></div><div style=3D"font-size:small">= <font color=3D"#999999"><span style=3D"font-family:tahoma,sans-serif">Co-Di= rector | Behavioral Brain (B2) Research Training Program (NIGMS)<br></span>= </font></div><div style=3D"font-size:small"><font face=3D"tahoma, sans-seri= f" color=3D"#999999">Carnegie Mellon University</font></div><div style=3D"f= ont-size:small"><span style=3D"color:rgb(102,102,102)"><font face=3D"tahoma= , sans-serif"><a href=3D"mailto:loriholt@xxxxxxxx" target=3D"_blank">lorihol= t@xxxxxxxx</a>=C2=A0|=C2=A0</font><font face=3D"tahoma, sans-serif"><a href= =3D"http://www.psy.cmu.edu/~holtlab/" target=3D"_blank">www.psy.cmu.edu/~ho= ltlab/</a></font></span></div></div><font color=3D"#999999"><font size=3D"1= ">pronouns: she, her, hers</font></font><div><br></div></div></div></div></= div> </blockquote></div> --000000000000a8ed0705ec7d7855--