Subject: Re: [AUDITORY] Responses to "listening to your tinnitus" From: Roger K Moore <r.k.moore@xxxxxxxx> Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2021 09:38:42 +0100--000000000000f68c1405c9f998d9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable FWIW, my thoughts on Brian's experience ran along the lines of evidence for 'predictive processing' (PP)* and the possibility of actively directing attention at some perceptual level such as to compensate for particular incoming stimuli. Cheers, Roger *https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Predictive_coding ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ---------------------- Prof ROGER K MOORE* BA(Hons) MSc PhD FIOA FISCA MIET SMIEEE Chair of Spoken Language Processing Vocal Interactivity Lab (VILab), Sheffield Robotics Speech & Hearing Research Group (SPandH) Department of Computer Science, UNIVERSITY OF SHEFFIELD Regent Court, 211 Portobello, Sheffield, S1 4DP, UK * Winner of the 2016 Antonio Zampolli Prize for "*Outstanding Contributions * *to the Advancement of Language Resources & Language Technology * *Evaluation within Human Language Technologies*" e-mail: r.k.moore@xxxxxxxx web: http://staffwww.dcs.shef.ac.uk/people/R.K.Moore/ twitter: @xxxxxxxx Tel: +44 (0) 11422 21807 Fax: +44 (0) 11422 21810 Mob: +44 (0) 7910 073631 Editor-in-Chief: COMPUTER SPEECH AND LANGUAGE (http://www.journals.elsevier.com/computer-speech-and-language/) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----------------- On Fri, 20 Aug 2021 at 08:28, PIerre DIVENYI <pdivenyi@xxxxxxxx> wrote: > Fatima, Brian, > > I don=E2=80=99t think you are talking about the same thing. Brian=E2=80= =99s proposal can=E2=80=99t > be considered a varietal of mind-body training. It is sensory awareness o= f > an individual acoustic object, if this description fits Brian=E2=80=99s t= innitus. > Although, as he says, it=E2=80=99s not =E2=80=9Ctonal,=E2=80=9D it has to= nal components. My > suggestion is to try to match the pitch of one or several of the componen= ts > and even write it down. If it is pulsating, identify its rhythm and, agai= n, > write it down. Since this is nothing else but a stimulus-less auditory > object matching psychoacoustic task, it could also lead to identifying i= ts > properties and its night-by-night variability. And doing this experiment > would not take away your observation that awareness of the auditory > properties of the tinnitus makes it less annoying. > > My two-penny thoughts inspired by 50 years in bed with psychoacoustics. > Pierre > > Sent from my autocorrecting iPad > > On Aug 19, 2021, at 21:50, Fatima Husain <husainf@xxxxxxxx> wrote: > > =EF=BB=BF > Hi Brian > > I will attempt to answer. What you are describing seems like the "sounds > and thoughts" meditation, which is one of the mindfulness-based cognitive > training (MBCT) exercises, where the individual meditates on their body's > sounds & external sounds, including their tinnitus (if they have it). We > conducted an MBCT intervention for adults with bothersome tinnitus and > found that a great majority were helped by an 8-week MBCT course. When we > were designing the experiment, we were worried if this particular exercis= e > would exacerbate someone's tinnitus and we gave directions to the > instructors accordingly. But, we found that no one complained about > listening to or being intensely aware of their tinnitus in this context. > There have been several published reports of MBCT being useful and if the= y > all did the standard MBCT, then it would include this type of meditation. > Other psychology-based treatments may also include such meditation > exercises. No published report, to my knowledge, has weighed in on the > relative merits of different aspects of MBCT or similar plans. > > Hope this helps, > Fatima > > On Wed, Aug 18, 2021 at 11:57 PM Brian Gygi <bgygi@xxxxxxxx> wrote: > >> Hello, I received several responses to my post on "listening to your >> tinnitus" in which I described a method I had found that seemed to >> alleviate my tinnitus. Unfortunately, all of the posts described method= s >> in which an acoustic signal is present to the ear with frequencies that >> match (or mask) the tinnitus, which is different from what I was talking >> about. >> >> The method I was describing involved actually focusing on the tinnitus, >> not an auditory stimulus. I can hear out some of the individual tones i= n >> my tinnitus, and I find when I do this the tinnitus seems to lessen in >> severity. >> >> So, does anyone know of any work that that been done in this area? >> >> Thanks, >> Brian Gygi >> > > > -- > Fatima T. Husain, Ph.D. > Professor, Dept. of Speech and Hearing Science and > The Beckman Institute for Advanced Science and Technology > Faculty Affiliate Neuroscience Program and Computational Science and > Engineering > Auditory Cognitive Neuroscience Lab > University of Illinois > husainf@xxxxxxxx > www.acnlab.com > > --000000000000f68c1405c9f998d9 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div dir=3D"ltr">FWIW, my thoughts on Brian's experience ran along the = lines of evidence for 'predictive processing' (PP)* and the possibi= lity of actively directing attention=C2=A0at some perceptual level such as = to compensate for particular incoming stimuli.<div><br></div><div>Cheers, R= oger<br><div><br></div><div>*<a href=3D"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Predi= ctive_coding">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Predictive_coding</a></div><div= ><br clear=3D"all"><div><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_signature" data-sma= rtmail=3D"gmail_signature"><div dir=3D"ltr"><font size=3D"1">--------------= ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --------<br>Prof ROGER K MOORE* BA(Hons) MSc PhD FIOA FISCA MIET SMIEEE<br>= <br>Chair of Spoken Language Processing<br>Vocal Interactivity Lab (VILab),= Sheffield Robotics<br>Speech & Hearing Research Group (SPandH)<br>Depa= rtment of Computer Science, UNIVERSITY OF SHEFFIELD<br>Regent Court, 211 Po= rtobello, Sheffield, S1 4DP, UK</font><div><font size=3D"1" face=3D"arial, = helvetica, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div><div><font face=3D"arial, helv= etica, sans-serif" size=3D"1">* Winner of=C2=A0the 2016 Antonio Zampolli Pr= ize for "<i>Outstanding Contributions=C2=A0</i></font></div><div><font= face=3D"arial, helvetica, sans-serif" size=3D"1"><i>to the Advancement of = Language Resources & Language Technology=C2=A0</i></font></div><div><fo= nt face=3D"arial, helvetica, sans-serif" size=3D"1"><i>Evaluation within Hu= man Language Technologies</i>"</font></div><font size=3D"1"><br>e-mail= :=C2=A0=C2=A0<a href=3D"mailto:r.k.moore@xxxxxxxx" target=3D"_blank"= >r.k.moore@xxxxxxxx</a><br>web:=C2=A0<a href=3D"http://staffwww.dcs.= shef.ac.uk/people/R.K.Moore/" target=3D"_blank">http://staffwww.dcs.shef.ac= .uk/people/R.K.Moore/</a></font></div><div><font size=3D"1">twitter: @xxxxxxxx= kmoore<br>Tel: +44 (0) 11422 21807<br>Fax: +44 (0) 11422 21810<br>Mob: +44 = (0) 7910 073631<br><br>Editor-in-Chief: COMPUTER SPEECH AND LANGUAGE<br>(<a= href=3D"http://www.journals.elsevier.com/computer-speech-and-language/" ta= rget=3D"_blank">http://www.journals.elsevier.com/computer-speech-and-langua= ge/</a>)</font></div><div><span style=3D"font-size:x-small">---------------= ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --</span></div></div></div></div><br></div></div></div><br><div class=3D"gm= ail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Fri, 20 Aug 2021 at 08:= 28, PIerre DIVENYI <<a href=3D"mailto:pdivenyi@xxxxxxxx">pdive= nyi@xxxxxxxx</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_q= uote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-s= tyle:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D= "auto"><div dir=3D"ltr">Fatima, Brian,<div><br></div><div>I don=E2=80=99t t= hink you are talking about the same thing. Brian=E2=80=99s proposal can=E2= =80=99t be considered a varietal of mind-body training. It is sensory aware= ness of an individual acoustic object, if this description fits Brian=E2=80= =99s tinnitus. Although, as he says, it=E2=80=99s not =E2=80=9Ctonal,=E2=80= =9D it has tonal components. My suggestion is to try to match the pitch of = one or several of the components and even write it down. If it is pulsating= , identify its rhythm and, again, write it down. Since this is nothing else= but a stimulus-less auditory object matching psychoacoustic task, it could= also lead to =C2=A0identifying its properties and its night-by-night varia= bility. And doing this experiment would not take away your observation that= awareness of the auditory properties of the tinnitus makes it less annoyin= g.</div><div><br></div><div>My two-penny thoughts inspired by 50 years in b= ed with psychoacoustics.</div><div>Pierre<br><br><div dir=3D"ltr">Sent from= my autocorrecting iPad</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><blockquote type=3D"cite"= >On Aug 19, 2021, at 21:50, Fatima Husain <<a href=3D"mailto:husainf@xxxxxxxx= lab.com" target=3D"_blank">husainf@xxxxxxxx</a>> wrote:<br><br></block= quote></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF<div dir=3D= "ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr">Hi Brian<div><br></div><div>I will attempt to answer= . What you are describing seems like the "sounds and thoughts" me= ditation, which is one of the mindfulness-based cognitive training (MBCT) e= xercises, where the individual meditates on their body's sounds & e= xternal sounds, including their tinnitus=C2=A0(if they have it). We conduct= ed an MBCT intervention for adults with bothersome tinnitus and found that = a great majority were helped by an 8-week MBCT course. When we were designi= ng the experiment, we were worried if this particular=C2=A0exercise would e= xacerbate someone's tinnitus=C2=A0and we gave directions to the instruc= tors accordingly. But, we found that no one complained about listening to o= r being intensely aware of their=C2=A0tinnitus in this context. There have = been several published reports of MBCT being useful and if they all did the= standard MBCT, then it would include this type of meditation. Other psycho= logy-based treatments may also include such meditation exercises. No publis= hed report, to my knowledge, has weighed in on the relative merits of diffe= rent aspects of MBCT or similar plans.=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>Hope = this helps,</div><div>Fatima=C2=A0</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote= "><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Wed, Aug 18, 2021 at 11:57 PM Br= ian Gygi <<a href=3D"mailto:bgygi@xxxxxxxx" target=3D"_blank">bgygi@xxxxxxxx= re.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"m= argin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;borde= r-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><u></u> =20 =20 =20 <div> <div> Hello, I received several responses to my post on "listening to you= r tinnitus" in which I described a method I had found that seemed to a= lleviate my tinnitus.=C2=A0 Unfortunately, all of the posts described metho= ds in which an acoustic signal is present to the ear with frequencies that = match (or mask) the tinnitus, which is different from what I was talking ab= out.=C2=A0=C2=A0 </div> <div> <br> </div> <div> The method I was describing involved actually focusing on the tinnitus, = not an auditory stimulus.=C2=A0 I can hear out some of the individual tones= in my tinnitus, and I find when I do this the tinnitus seems to lessen in = severity. </div> <div> <br> </div> <div> So, does anyone know of any work that that been done in this area?=C2=A0= =C2=A0 </div> <div> <br> </div> <div> Thanks, </div> <div> Brian Gygi </div>=20 </div> </blockquote></div><br clear=3D"all"><div><br></div>-- <br><div dir=3D"ltr"= ><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Fatima T. Husain, Ph.D.<br>Professo= r, Dept. of Speech and Hearing Science and</div><div>The Beckman Institute = for Advanced Science and Technology<br>Faculty Affiliate Neuroscience Progr= am and Computational Science and Engineering<br>Auditory Cognitive Neurosci= ence Lab<br>University of Illinois<br><a href=3D"mailto:husainf@xxxxxxxx= u" target=3D"_blank">husainf@xxxxxxxx</a><br><a href=3D"http://www.acnl= ab.com" target=3D"_blank">www.acnlab.com</a></div><div><br></div></div></di= v></div></div> </div></blockquote></div></div></div></blockquote></div> --000000000000f68c1405c9f998d9--