Subject: Re: [AUDITORY] Papers on lack of effect of musical training From: "R. Zatorre, Dr." <robert.zatorre@xxxxxxxx> Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2020 16:10:20 +0000--_000_YTXPR0101MB134193BA9F34EAB50A57611381400YTXPR0101MB1341_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello For a systematic review of 29 speech-in-noise studies and effects (or not) = of musical training you can look at: Coffey, E. B., Mogilever, N. B., & Zatorre, R. J. (2017). Speech-in-noise p= erception in musicians: A review. Hearing research, 352, 49-69. Since then we have done a couple more studies that did find an effect of mu= sical training (sorry). Specifically, we found that greater amount of musical training was associat= ed with better neural tracking of the amplitude envelope of both the target= and the to-be-ignored speech in a selective attention task (this was a sur= prise but it's what we observed): Puschmann, S., Baillet, S., & Zatorre, R. J. (2019). Musicians at the cockt= ail party: neural substrates of musical training during selective listening= in multispeaker situations. Cerebral Cortex, 29(8), 3253-3265. We also observed music-training enhancement of both speech-in-noise and of = a novel music-in-noise task in this paper: Coffey, E. B., Arseneau-Bruneau, I., Zhang, X., & Zatorre, R. J. (2019). Th= e Music-In-Noise Task (MINT): a tool for dissecting complex auditory percep= tion. Frontiers in Neuroscience, 13, 199. Good luck with your research Robert Robert Zatorre Montreal Neurological Institute McGill University 514-398-8903 fax: 514-398-1338 www.zlab.mcgill.ca ________________________________ From: AUDITORY - Research in Auditory Perception <AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx>= on behalf of Francesco Caprini <fcapri01@xxxxxxxx> Sent: August 13, 2020 12:27 PM To: AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx <AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx> Subject: Papers on lack of effect of musical training Dear everyone, I'm currently conducting a literature review on the transfer of musical exp= ertise onto other domains of cognition, as part of a paper where I compare = musicians with sound engineers across a number of behavioural tasks, i.e. p= sychophysics, auditory scene analysis, sustained selective attention, and s= peech in noise perception. I am specifically interested in papers that failed to detect an association= between musicianship and any of these dimensions, which are surprisingly (= or unsurprisingly?) very hard to find via canonical search engines. Would anyone know of any recent papers that might fit into this category? I=92m only aware of the mixed literature on speech in noise perception (see= refs below). Any help will be greatly appreciated. Kind regards, Francesco **References** Ruggles, D. R., Freyman, R. L., & Oxenham, A. J. (2014). Influence of music= al training on understanding voiced and whispered speech in noise. PLoS ONE= , 9(1). https://doi.org/10.1371/journal.pone.0086980 Boebinger, D., Evans, S., Rosen, S., Lima, C. F., Manly, T., & Scott, S. K.= (2015). Musicians and non-musicians are equally adept at perceiving masked= speech. The Journal of the Acoustical Society of America, 137(1), 378=9638= 7. https://doi.org/10.1121/1.4904537 Fuller, C. D., Galvin, J. J., Maat, B., Free, R. H., & Ba=BAkent, D. (2014)= . The musician effect: Does it persist under degraded pitch conditions of c= ochlear implant simulations? Frontiers in Neuroscience, 8(8 JUN), 1=9616. h= ttps://doi.org/10.3389/fnins.2014.00179 Skoe, E., Camera, S., & Tufts, J. (2019). Noise exposure may diminish the m= usician advantage for perceiving speech in noise. Ear and Hearing, 40(4), 7= 82=96793. https://doi.org/10.1097/AUD.0000000000000665 Madsen, S. M. K., Whiteford, K. L., & Oxenham, A. J. (2017). Musicians do n= ot benefit from differences in fundamental frequency when listening to spee= ch in competing speech backgrounds. Scientific Reports, 7(1), 1=969. https:= //doi.org/10.1038/s41598-017-12937-9 ********************************************** Francesco Caprini PhD student in Auditory Neuroscience Birkbeck, University of London fcapri01@xxxxxxxx<mailto:fcapri01@xxxxxxxx> ********************************************** --_000_YTXPR0101MB134193BA9F34EAB50A57611381400YTXPR0101MB1341_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="windows-1250" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <html> <head> <meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3Dwindows-1= 250"> <style type=3D"text/css" style=3D"display:none;"> P {margin-top:0;margin-bo= ttom:0;} </style> </head> <body dir=3D"ltr"> <div style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size= : 14pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> <div style=3D"margin: 0px; font-size: 14pt; font-family: Calibri, Arial, He= lvetica, sans-serif; color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255)"> Hello</div> <div style=3D"margin: 0px; font-size: 14pt; font-family: Calibri, Arial, He= lvetica, sans-serif; color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255)"> <br> </div> <div style=3D"margin: 0px; font-size: 14pt; font-family: Calibri, Arial, He= lvetica, sans-serif; color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255)"> <span style=3D"margin: 0px">For a systematic review of 29 speech-in-noise s= tudies and effects (or not) of musical training you can look at:</span><br> </div> <div style=3D"margin: 0px; font-size: 14pt; font-family: Calibri, Arial, He= lvetica, sans-serif; color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255)"> Coffey, E. B., Mogilever, N. B., & Zatorre, R. J. (2017). Speech-in-noi= se perception in musicians: A review. Hearing research, 352, 49-69.<br> </div> <div style=3D"margin: 0px; font-size: 14pt; font-family: Calibri, Arial, He= lvetica, sans-serif; color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255)"> <br> </div> <div style=3D"margin: 0px; font-size: 14pt; font-family: Calibri, Arial, He= lvetica, sans-serif; color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255)"> Since then we have done a couple more studies that did find an effect of mu= sical training (sorry). </div> <div style=3D"margin: 0px; font-size: 14pt; font-family: Calibri, Arial, He= lvetica, sans-serif; color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255)"> <br> </div> <div style=3D"margin: 0px; font-size: 14pt; font-family: Calibri, Arial, He= lvetica, sans-serif; color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255)"> Specifically, we found that greater amount of musical training was associat= ed with better neural tracking of the amplitude envelope of both the target= and the to-be-ignored speech in a selective attention task (this was a sur= prise but it's what we observed):</div> <div style=3D"margin: 0px; font-size: 14pt; font-family: Calibri, Arial, He= lvetica, sans-serif; color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255)"> Puschmann, S., Baillet, S., & Zatorre, R. J. (2019). Musicians at the c= ocktail party: neural substrates of musical training during selective liste= ning in multispeaker situations. Cerebral Cortex, 29(8), 3253-3265.<br> </div> <div style=3D"margin: 0px; font-size: 14pt; font-family: Calibri, Arial, He= lvetica, sans-serif; color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255)"> <br> </div> <div style=3D"margin: 0px; font-size: 14pt; font-family: Calibri, Arial, He= lvetica, sans-serif; color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255)"> We also observed music-training enhancement of both speech-in-noise and of = a novel music-in-noise task in this paper:</div> <div style=3D"margin: 0px; font-size: 14pt; font-family: Calibri, Arial, He= lvetica, sans-serif; color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255)"> Coffey, E. B., Arseneau-Bruneau, I., Zhang, X., & Zatorre, R. J. (2019)= . The Music-In-Noise Task (MINT): a tool for dissecting complex auditory pe= rception. Frontiers in Neuroscience, 13, 199.<br> </div> <div style=3D"margin: 0px; font-size: 14pt; font-family: Calibri, Arial, He= lvetica, sans-serif; color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255)"> <br> </div> <div style=3D"margin: 0px; font-size: 14pt; font-family: Calibri, Arial, He= lvetica, sans-serif; color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255)"> Good luck with your research</div> <div style=3D"margin: 0px; font-size: 14pt; font-family: Calibri, Arial, He= lvetica, sans-serif; color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255)"> <br> </div> <div style=3D"margin: 0px; font-size: 14pt; font-family: Calibri, Arial, He= lvetica, sans-serif; color: black; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255)"> Robert</div> <div style=3D"margin: 0px; font-size: 15px; font-family: "Segoe UI&quo= t;, "Segoe UI Web (West European)", "Segoe UI", -apple-= system, BlinkMacSystemFont, Roboto, "Helvetica Neue", sans-serif;= color: rgb(32, 31, 30); background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255)"> <div style=3D"margin: 0px; font-size: 14pt; font-family: Calibri, Arial, He= lvetica, sans-serif; color: black"> <br> </div> <div style=3D"margin: 0px"> <div style=3D"margin: 0px"> <div style=3D"margin: 0px"><font size=3D"2"> <div style=3D"margin: 0px">Robert Zatorre<br> Montreal Neurological Institute<br> McGill University<br> 514-398-8903<br> fax: 514-398-1338<br> www.zlab.mcgill.ca</div> </font></div> </div> </div> </div> <br> </div> <div> <div style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size= : 14pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> <br> </div> <div id=3D"Signature"> <div> <div class=3D"BodyFragment"></div> </div> </div> </div> <div id=3D"appendonsend"></div> <hr style=3D"display:inline-block;width:98%" tabindex=3D"-1"> <div id=3D"divRplyFwdMsg" dir=3D"ltr"><font face=3D"Calibri, sans-serif" st= yle=3D"font-size:11pt" color=3D"#000000"><b>From:</b> AUDITORY - Research i= n Auditory Perception <AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx> on behalf of Frances= co Caprini <fcapri01@xxxxxxxx><br> <b>Sent:</b> August 13, 2020 12:27 PM<br> <b>To:</b> AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx <AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx><br> <b>Subject:</b> Papers on lack of effect of musical training</font> <div> </div> </div> <div class=3D"" style=3D"word-wrap:break-word; line-break:after-white-space= "> <div class=3D"" style=3D"word-wrap:break-word; line-break:after-white-space= "> <div class=3D"">Dear everyone,</div> <div class=3D""><br class=3D""> </div> <div class=3D"">I'm currently conducting a literature review on the transfe= r of musical expertise onto other domains of cognition, as part of a paper = where I compare musicians with sound engineers across a number of behaviour= al tasks, i.e. psychophysics, auditory scene analysis, sustained selective attention, and speech in noise percept= ion.</div> <div class=3D""><br class=3D""> </div> <div class=3D"">I am specifically interested in papers that <u class= =3D"">failed</u> to detect an association between musicianship and any= of these dimensions, which are surprisingly (or unsurprisingly?) very hard= to find via canonical search engines. </div> <div class=3D""><br class=3D""> </div> <div class=3D"">Would anyone know of any recent papers that might fit into = this category?</div> <div class=3D""><br class=3D""> </div> <div class=3D"">I=92m only aware of the mixed literature on speech in noise= perception (see refs below).</div> <div class=3D""><br class=3D""> </div> <div class=3D"">Any help will be greatly appreciated.</div> <div class=3D""><br class=3D""> </div> <div class=3D""><br class=3D""> </div> <div class=3D"">Kind regards,</div> <div class=3D""><br class=3D""> </div> <div class=3D"">Francesco</div> <div class=3D""><br class=3D""> </div> <div class=3D""><br class=3D""> </div> <div class=3D""><br class=3D""> </div> <div class=3D"">**References**</div> <div class=3D""><br class=3D""> </div> <div class=3D""> <div class=3D"">Ruggles, D. R., Freyman, R. L., & Oxenham, A. J. (2014)= . Influence of musical training on understanding voiced and whispered speec= h in noise. PLoS ONE, 9(1). <a href=3D"https://doi.org/10.1371/journal= .pone.0086980" class=3D"">https://doi.org/10.1371/journal.pone.0086980</a><= /div> <div class=3D""><br class=3D""> </div> <div class=3D"">Boebinger, D., Evans, S., Rosen, S., Lima, C. F., Manly, T.= , & Scott, S. K. (2015). Musicians and non-musicians are equally adept = at perceiving masked speech. The Journal of the Acoustical Society of Ameri= ca, 137(1), 378=96387. <a href=3D"https://doi.org/10.1121/1.4904537" c= lass=3D"">https://doi.org/10.1121/1.4904537</a></div> <div class=3D""><br class=3D""> </div> <div class=3D"">Fuller, C. D., Galvin, J. J., Maat, B., Free, R. H., & = Ba=BAkent, D. (2014). The musician effect: Does it persist under degraded p= itch conditions of cochlear implant simulations? Frontiers in Neuroscience,= 8(8 JUN), 1=9616. <a href=3D"https://doi.org/10.3389/fnins.2014.00179= " class=3D"">https://doi.org/10.3389/fnins.2014.00179</a></div> <div class=3D""><br class=3D""> </div> <div class=3D"">Skoe, E., Camera, S., & Tufts, J. (2019). Noise exposur= e may diminish the musician advantage for perceiving speech in noise. Ear a= nd Hearing, 40(4), 782=96793. <a href=3D"https://doi.org/10.1097/AUD.0= 000000000000665" class=3D"">https://doi.org/10.1097/AUD.0000000000000665</a= ></div> <div class=3D""><br class=3D""> </div> <div class=3D"">Madsen, S. M. K., Whiteford, K. L., & Oxenham, A. J. (2= 017). Musicians do not benefit from differences in fundamental frequency wh= en listening to speech in competing speech backgrounds. Scientific Reports,= 7(1), 1=969. <a href=3D"https://doi.org/10.1038/s41598-017-12937-9" c= lass=3D"">https://doi.org/10.1038/s41598-017-12937-9</a></div> <div class=3D""><br class=3D""> </div> <div class=3D""><br class=3D""> </div> </div> <div class=3D"">**********************************************</div> <div class=3D"">Francesco Caprini</div> <div class=3D"">PhD student in Auditory Neuroscience</div> <div class=3D"">Birkbeck, University of London</div> <div class=3D""><a href=3D"mailto:fcapri01@xxxxxxxx" class=3D"">fcapr= i01@xxxxxxxx</a></div> <div class=3D""> <div class=3D"">**********************************************</div> <div class=3D""><br class=3D""> </div> </div> </div> </div> </body> </html> --_000_YTXPR0101MB134193BA9F34EAB50A57611381400YTXPR0101MB1341_--