Subject: Re: [AUDITORY] Semantic McGurk Effect From: Elaine Saunders <esaunders@xxxxxxxx> Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2020 00:58:57 +0000--_000_SYBPR01MB3851409F2EC90EB49E867D31F5440SYBPR01MB3851ausp_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I think you will find that the mondegreen is something different. As in th= e Beatles song, "When I'm six feet four" Elaine ________________________________ From: AUDITORY - Research in Auditory Perception <AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx>= on behalf of Nathaniel Zuk <ZUKN@xxxxxxxx> Sent: Saturday, 8 August 2020 7:57 PM To: AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx <AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx> Subject: Re: [AUDITORY] Semantic McGurk Effect (Today I learned) It's called a mondegreen. https://www.newyorker.com/science/maria-konnikova/science-misheard-lyrics-m= ondegreens<https://www.newyorker.com/science/maria-konnikova/science-mishea= rd-lyrics-mondegreens> Nate ________________________________ From: AUDITORY - Research in Auditory Perception <AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx>= on behalf of Prof. Roger K. Moore <0000011559506d60-dmarc-request@xxxxxxxx= GILL.CA> Sent: Friday, August 7, 2020 3:40 PM To: AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx <AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx> Subject: Re: [AUDITORY] Semantic McGurk Effect Great example Julia - and, of course, comedians such as Bec Hill (https://y= outu.be/nEdR44Iftb4<https://youtu.be/nEdR44Iftb4>) and Peter Kay (https://y= outu.be/7my5baoCVv8<https://youtu.be/7my5baoCVv8>) trade on this effect - R <http:///> On Fri, 7 Aug 2020 at 14:42, Julia Strand <jstrand@xxxxxxxx<mailto:jstr= and@xxxxxxxx>> wrote: I'm always delighted when auditory phenomena spark the public's interest! I wouldn't call this a semantic McGurk, given that it doesn't have to be dr= iven by simultaneous bottom-up input from two modalities. That is, even if = nothing is written on the screen but you're just thinking "green needle" to= yourself, that's what you're likely to hear (whereas thinking "ga" while h= earing "ba" won't get you to "da" - you need the simultaneous input from fa= ce and voice). So I'd agree with Roger that it's more akin to the phoneme r= estoration effect or work like Cynthia Connine's "she ran hot water for the= p/bath," showing how expectations influence interpretation of bottom-up in= put. I think most of US wouldn't be surprised that the same stimulus can be perc= eived in different ways, but my impression is that the general public tends= to believe "what you see is what you get" and underestimates the power of = top-down influences. Same reason #TheDress was such a hit. When I include this in my class on speech perception, I also include this v= ideo which shows Grover from Sesame street<https://languagelog.ldc.upenn.ed= u/nll/?p=3D41249> saying EITHER "Yes, yes, that sounds like an excellent id= ea!" OR "Yes, yes, that's a f*%#g excellent idea!" Like I'm always telling my students - Speech is hard! Context helps! Best, Julia On Fri, Aug 7, 2020 at 4:28 AM Prof. Roger K. Moore <0000011559506d60-dmarc= -request@xxxxxxxx<mailto:0000011559506d60-dmarc-request@xxxxxxxx= .ca>> wrote: I must admit to being surprised by the surprise engendered by this video. = Anyone who was around during the early days of text-to-speech synthesis is = very aware of the danger of presenting the text in advance of or simultaneo= us with the generated speech. The intelligibility of the resulting synthes= is could be zero without the 'prior' and 100% with the visual cue. So, given that we know that perception involves the integration of top-down= expectations with bottom-up evidence (going right back to Richard Warren's= work on the 'phoneme restoration effect'), why is this TikTok demo surpris= ing? Or maybe I'm missing something? Best wishes Roger ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----------------- Prof ROGER K MOORE* BA(Hons) MSc PhD FIOA FISCA MIET Chair of Spoken Language Processing Vocal Interactivity Lab (VILab), Sheffield Robotics Speech & Hearing Research Group (SPandH) Department of Computer Science, UNIVERSITY OF SHEFFIELD Regent Court, 211 Portobello, Sheffield, S1 4DP, UK * Winner of the 2016 Antonio Zampolli Prize for "Outstanding Contributions to the Advancement of Language Resources & Language Technology Evaluation within Human Language Technologies" e-mail: r.k.moore@xxxxxxxx<mailto:r.k.moore@xxxxxxxx> web: http://staffwww.dcs.shef.ac.uk/people/R.K.Moore/<http://staffwww.dcs.s= hef.ac.uk/people/R.K.Moore> twitter: @xxxxxxxx Tel: +44 (0) 11422 21807 Fax: +44 (0) 11422 21810 Mob: +44 (0) 7910 073631 Editor-in-Chief: COMPUTER SPEECH AND LANGUAGE (http://www.journals.elsevier.com/computer-speech-and-language/<http://www.= journals.elsevier.com/computer-speech-and-language>) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----------------- <http:///> On Fri, 7 Aug 2020 at 05:12, Malcolm Slaney <malcolm@xxxxxxxx<mailto:malcol= m@xxxxxxxx>> wrote: Has there been anything formal published on this effect? https://www.iflscience.com/brain/what-the-hell-is-going-on-in-this-tikto= k-audio-illusion<https://www.iflscience.com/brain/what-the-hell-is-going-on= -in-this-tiktok-audio-illusion> It sounds to me like a semantic version of the McGurk effect. Nice demo. - Malcolm -- Julia Strand, PhD Assistant Professor of Psychology Carleton College One North College Street Northfield, MN 55057 507-222-5637 Website<https://apps.carleton.edu/curricular/psyc/jstrand> Make an appointment<http://juliastrand.youcanbook.me> --_000_SYBPR01MB3851409F2EC90EB49E867D31F5440SYBPR01MB3851ausp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <html> <head> <meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3Diso-8859-= 1"> <style type=3D"text/css" style=3D"display:none;"> P {margin-top:0;margin-bo= ttom:0;} </style> </head> <body dir=3D"ltr"> <div style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size= : 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> I think you will find that the mondegreen is something different. As = in the Beatles song, "When I'm six feet four"</div> <div style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size= : 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> Elaine</div> <div> <div id=3D"appendonsend"></div> <div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size:12p= t; color:rgb(0,0,0)"> <br> </div> <hr tabindex=3D"-1" style=3D"display:inline-block; width:98%"> <div id=3D"divRplyFwdMsg" dir=3D"ltr"><font face=3D"Calibri, sans-serif" co= lor=3D"#000000" style=3D"font-size:11pt"><b>From:</b> AUDITORY - Research i= n Auditory Perception <AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx> on behalf of Nathani= el Zuk <ZUKN@xxxxxxxx><br> <b>Sent:</b> Saturday, 8 August 2020 7:57 PM<br> <b>To:</b> AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx <AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx><br> <b>Subject:</b> Re: [AUDITORY] Semantic McGurk Effect</font> <div> </div> </div> <div dir=3D"ltr"> <div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size:12p= t; color:rgb(0,0,0); background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"> (Today I learned) It's called a mondegreen.</div> <div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size:12p= t; color:rgb(0,0,0); background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"> <a href=3D"https://www.newyorker.com/science/maria-konnikova/science-mishea= rd-lyrics-mondegreens">https://www.newyorker.com/science/maria-konnikova/sc= ience-misheard-lyrics-mondegreens</a><br> </div> <div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size:12p= t; color:rgb(0,0,0); background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"> <br> </div> <div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size:12p= t; color:rgb(0,0,0); background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"> Nate</div> <div id=3D"x_appendonsend"></div> <hr tabindex=3D"-1" style=3D"display:inline-block; width:98%"> <div id=3D"x_divRplyFwdMsg" dir=3D"ltr"><font face=3D"Calibri, sans-serif" = color=3D"#000000" style=3D"font-size:11pt"><b>From:</b> AUDITORY - Research= in Auditory Perception <AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx> on behalf of Prof.= Roger K. Moore <0000011559506d60-dmarc-request@xxxxxxxx><br> <b>Sent:</b> Friday, August 7, 2020 3:40 PM<br> <b>To:</b> AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx <AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx><br> <b>Subject:</b> Re: [AUDITORY] Semantic McGurk Effect</font> <div> </div> </div> <div> <div dir=3D"ltr"> <div dir=3D"ltr"> <div dir=3D"ltr">Great example Julia - and, of course, comedians such as Be= c Hill (<a href=3D"https://youtu.be/nEdR44Iftb4">https://youtu.be/nEdR44Ift= b4</a>) and Peter Kay (<a href=3D"https://youtu.be/7my5baoCVv8">https://you= tu.be/7my5baoCVv8</a>) trade on this effect - R<br clear=3D"all"> <div> <div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"x_x_gmail_signature"> <div dir=3D"ltr"> <div> <div dir=3D"ltr"> <div> <div dir=3D"ltr"> <div> <div dir=3D"ltr"> <div> <div dir=3D"ltr"> <div> <div dir=3D"ltr"> <div> <div dir=3D"ltr"> <div> <div dir=3D"ltr"> <div> <div dir=3D"ltr"> <div> <div dir=3D"ltr"> <div> <div dir=3D"ltr"> <div> <div dir=3D"ltr"> <div><br> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> <a href=3D"http:///" target=3D"_blank"></a></div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> <br> </div> </div> </div> <br> <div class=3D"x_x_gmail_quote"> <div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"x_x_gmail_attr">On Fri, 7 Aug 2020 at 14:42, Juli= a Strand <<a href=3D"mailto:jstrand@xxxxxxxx">jstrand@xxxxxxxx</= a>> wrote:<br> </div> <blockquote class=3D"x_x_gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; bo= rder-left-width:1px; border-left-style:solid; border-left-color:rgb(204,204= ,204); padding-left:1ex"> <div dir=3D"ltr">I'm always delighted when auditory phenomena spark th= e public's interest! <div><br> </div> <div>I wouldn't call this a semantic McGurk, given that it doesn't have to = be driven by simultaneous bottom-up input from two modalities. That is, eve= n if nothing is written on the screen but you're just thinking "green = needle" to yourself, that's what you're likely to hear (whereas thinking "ga" while hearing "ba&quo= t; won't get you to "da" - you need the simultaneous input from f= ace and voice). So I'd agree with Roger that it's more akin to the phoneme = restoration effect or work like Cynthia Connine's "she ran hot water for the p/bath," showing how expectations influence interpretat= ion of bottom-up input. <div><br> </div> <div>I think most of US wouldn't be surprised that the same stimulus can be= perceived in different ways, but my impression is that the general public = tends to believe "what you see is what you get" and underestimate= s the power of top-down influences. Same reason #TheDress was such a hit. </div> <div><br> </div> <div>When I include this in my class on speech perception, I also include t= his <a href=3D"https://languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/nll/?p=3D41249" target=3D"= _blank"> video which shows Grover from Sesame street</a> saying EITHER "Yes, ye= s, that sounds like an excellent idea!" OR "Yes, yes, that's a f*= %#g excellent idea!"</div> <div><br> </div> <div>Like I'm always telling my students - Speech is hard! Context helps!</= div> <div><br> </div> <div>Best,</div> <div>Julia</div> </div> </div> <br> <div class=3D"x_x_gmail_quote"> <div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"x_x_gmail_attr">On Fri, Aug 7, 2020 at 4:28 AM Pr= of. Roger K. Moore <<a href=3D"mailto:0000011559506d60-dmarc-request@xxxxxxxx= ts.mcgill.ca" target=3D"_blank">0000011559506d60-dmarc-request@xxxxxxxx= .ca</a>> wrote:<br> </div> <blockquote class=3D"x_x_gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; bo= rder-left-width:1px; border-left-style:solid; border-left-color:rgb(204,204= ,204); padding-left:1ex"> <div dir=3D"ltr">I must admit to being surprised by the surprise engendered= by this video. Anyone who was around during the early days of text-t= o-speech synthesis is very aware of the danger of presenting the text = in advance of or simultaneous with the generated speech. The intelligibility of the resulting synthesis could be= zero without the 'prior' and 100% with the visual cue. <div><br> </div> <div>So, given that we know that perception involves the integration of top= -down expectations with bottom-up evidence (going right back to Richard War= ren's work on the 'phoneme restoration effect'), why is this TikTok demo su= rprising? Or maybe I'm missing something? <div><br> </div> <div>Best wishes</div> <div>Roger</div> <div><br clear=3D"all"> <div> <div dir=3D"ltr"> <div dir=3D"ltr"> <div> <div dir=3D"ltr"> <div> <div dir=3D"ltr"> <div> <div dir=3D"ltr"> <div> <div dir=3D"ltr"> <div> <div dir=3D"ltr"> <div> <div dir=3D"ltr"> <div> <div dir=3D"ltr"> <div> <div dir=3D"ltr"> <div> <div dir=3D"ltr"> <div> <div dir=3D"ltr"> <div> <div dir=3D"ltr"><font size=3D"1">-----------------------------------------= ---------------------------------------------------<br> Prof ROGER K MOORE* BA(Hons) MSc PhD FIOA FISCA MIET<br> <br> Chair of Spoken Language Processing<br> Vocal Interactivity Lab (VILab), Sheffield Robotics<br> Speech & Hearing Research Group (SPandH)<br> Department of Computer Science, UNIVERSITY OF SHEFFIELD<br> Regent Court, 211 Portobello, Sheffield, S1 4DP, UK</font> <div><font size=3D"1" face=3D"arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><br> </font></div> <div> <div><font face=3D"arial, helvetica, sans-serif" size=3D"1">* Winner of&nbs= p;the 2016 Antonio Zampolli Prize for "<i>Outstanding Contributions&nb= sp;</i></font></div> <div><font face=3D"arial, helvetica, sans-serif" size=3D"1"><i>to the Advan= cement of Language Resources & Language Technology </i></font></di= v> <div><font face=3D"arial, helvetica, sans-serif" size=3D"1"><i>Evaluation w= ithin Human Language Technologies</i>"</font></div> <font size=3D"1"><br> e-mail: <a href=3D"mailto:r.k.moore@xxxxxxxx" target=3D"_blank= ">r.k.moore@xxxxxxxx</a><br> web: <a href=3D"http://staffwww.dcs.shef.ac.uk/people/R.K.Moore" targe= t=3D"_blank">http://staffwww.dcs.shef.ac.uk/people/R.K.Moore/</a></font></d= iv> <div><font size=3D"1">twitter: @xxxxxxxx<br> Tel: +44 (0) 11422 21807<br> Fax: +44 (0) 11422 21810<br> Mob: +44 (0) 7910 073631<br> <br> Editor-in-Chief: COMPUTER SPEECH AND LANGUAGE<br> (<a href=3D"http://www.journals.elsevier.com/computer-speech-and-language" = target=3D"_blank">http://www.journals.elsevier.com/computer-speech-and-lang= uage/</a>)</font></div> <div><span style=3D"font-size:x-small">------------------------------------= --------------------------------------------------------</span><br> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> <a href=3D"http:///" target=3D"_blank"></a></div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> <br> </div> </div> </div> <br> <div class=3D"x_x_gmail_quote"> <div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"x_x_gmail_attr">On Fri, 7 Aug 2020 at 05:12, Malc= olm Slaney <<a href=3D"mailto:malcolm@xxxxxxxx" target=3D"_blank">malcol= m@xxxxxxxx</a>> wrote:<br> </div> <blockquote class=3D"x_x_gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; bo= rder-left-width:1px; border-left-style:solid; border-left-color:rgb(204,204= ,204); padding-left:1ex"> <div>Has there been anything formal published on this effect? <div> <a href=3D"https://www.iflscience.com/brain/what-the-hell= -is-going-on-in-this-tiktok-audio-illusion" target=3D"_blank" style=3D"colo= r:rgb(17,85,204); font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size:small; = font-variant-ligatures:normal; background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">https://w= ww.iflscience.com/brain/what-the-hell-is-going-on-in-this-tiktok-audio-illu= sion</a></div> <div><br> </div> <div>It sounds to me like a semantic version of the McGurk effect.</div> <div><br> </div> <div>Nice demo.</div> <div><br> </div> <div>- Malcolm</div> <div><br> </div> </div> </blockquote> </div> </blockquote> </div> <br clear=3D"all"> <div><br> </div> -- <br> <div dir=3D"ltr"> <div dir=3D"ltr"> <div> <div dir=3D"ltr"> <div> <div dir=3D"ltr"> <div dir=3D"ltr">Julia Strand, PhD <div>Assistant Professor of Psychology</div> <div>Carleton College</div> <div>One North College Street</div> <div>Northfield, MN 55057</div> <div>507-222-5637</div> <div><a href=3D"https://apps.carleton.edu/curricular/psyc/jstrand" target= =3D"_blank">Website</a></div> <div><a href=3D"http://juliastrand.youcanbook.me" target=3D"_blank">Make an= appointment</a></div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </blockquote> </div> </div> </div> </div> </body> </html> --_000_SYBPR01MB3851409F2EC90EB49E867D31F5440SYBPR01MB3851ausp_--