Subject: Re: [AUDITORY] Wikipedia talks on Hearing Loss From: "Richard F. Lyon" <dicklyon@xxxxxxxx> Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2020 23:18:13 -0700--00000000000050c4f105aa60c637 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Wikipedia is complicated. I'm among the top 400 Wikipedia editors in the world, by total number of edits (#396 today according to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:List_of_Wikipedians_by_number_of_ed= its), but I still can't really tell you how to go about making it more accurate. I haven't done a lot of editing in the auditory space, as my point of view there tends to conflict with the usual orthodoxy in places -- but I agree it's worth working on. Mostly I work on trivia like grammar and style, as light relaxation and social interaction. The stuff about deaf and hearing impairment is particularly complicated, as there are distinct points of view on how to segment and classify these things. Expect interesting discussions if you decide to dive in. At the ARO meeting in San Jose in January of this year, there was a session on Wiki4YearOfSound2020: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wiki4YearOfSound2020 This might be a good place to start for those of you who want to contribute but aren't already steeped in Wikipedia. I'm happy to chat personally with anyone who wants my perspective on Wikipedia editing. Dick On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 9:13 PM Watson, Charles S. <watson@xxxxxxxx> wrote: > I support Etienne=E2=80=99s effort to maintain the accuracy of the hearin= g-related > entries on Wiki. Over the past 20 years since Wiki began I shifted from > warning students not to trust its often heavily biased or otherwise > inaccurate contents, to recommending it as a reasonable source of quick > information that is most often a fair account of the current status of a > field or topic. But it is up to the =E2=80=9Cinvisible college=E2=80=9D = in each field to > monitor the accuracy of Wiki contents and Etienne=E2=80=99s reminder shou= ld be > appreciated. Advising those who want to quickly learn about some topic, = to > begin with prime sources was once appropriate, but times they are > a-changing. > > Chuck Watson > > Indiana University and > > CDT, Inc. > > *From:* AUDITORY - Research in Auditory Perception < > AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx> *On Behalf Of *Etienne Gaudrain > *Sent:* Sunday, July 12, 2020 7:44 AM > *To:* AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx > *Subject:* Wikipedia talks on Hearing Loss > > > > Dear fellow Auditory Listers, > > > > I wanted to signal that there are talks concerning the re-organisation of > the Hearing Loss/Hearing Impairment pages on Wikipedia, and I thought som= e > of you may want to be involved in this and chime in: > > > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Hearing_loss#Issues_with_article_title= _and_focus > > > > For those of you unfamiliar with Wikipedia, there are newcomer guides > available: > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:A_primer_for_newcomers > > It's a bit of a steep learning curve, but well worth the effort, and the > community is generally welcoming if you don't start messing around with > stuff without discussing it first. > > > > Also feel free to email me if you have questions. I'm not the most > seasoned Wikipedia contributor, but I've been around for a while. > > > > One final question: Content disputes on Wikipedia are arbitrated through > an established process, but in many steps, a democratic approach is used, > meaning that numbers of contributors weighing for or against some decisio= ns > matter. So I think it is not a bad idea to keep an eye on what's going on > there. As a result I'm monitoring a bunch of pages for this sort of thing= , > and I think it might be useful for our community to stay updated on these= . > Do you find it useful if I =E2=80=94 and hopefully also others =E2=80=94= post on this list > to signal editorial activity on Wikipedia that may require your attention= ? > > > > Cheers, > > -Etienne > > > > > > > > -- > Etienne Gaudrain, PhD > > Centre de Recherche en Neurosciences de Lyon - CNRS UMR 5292 > Universit=C3=A9 Lyon 1 > 50 av. Tony Garnier > 69366 Lyon Cedex 7, FR > > > > UMCG, Afdeling KNO, BB20 > PO Box 30.001 > 9700 RB Groningen, NL > > Phone +31 5036 13290 > Skype egaudrain > > Note: emails to this address are limited to 10 MB. To send larger files, > use egaudrain.cam@xxxxxxxx > --00000000000050c4f105aa60c637 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small">Wik= ipedia is complicated.=C2=A0 I'm among the top 400 Wikipedia editors in= the world, by total number of edits (#396 today according to=C2=A0<a href= =3D"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:List_of_Wikipedians_by_number_o= f_edits">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:List_of_Wikipedians_by_num= ber_of_edits</a>), but I still can't really tell you how to go about ma= king it more accurate.=C2=A0 I haven't done a lot of editing in the aud= itory space, as my point of view there tends to conflict with the usual ort= hodoxy in places -- but I agree it's worth working on.=C2=A0 Mostly I w= ork on trivia like grammar and style,=C2=A0as light relaxation and social i= nteraction.=C2=A0 The stuff about deaf and hearing impairment is particular= ly complicated, as there are distinct points of view on how to segment and = classify these things.=C2=A0 Expect interesting discussions if you decide t= o dive in.</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small"><br>= </div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small">At the ARO mee= ting=C2=A0in San Jose in January of this year, there was a session on=C2=A0= Wiki4YearOfSound2020: <a href=3D"https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wiki4YearO= fSound2020">https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wiki4YearOfSound2020</a></div><= div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small">This might be a good = place to start for those of you who want to contribute but aren't alrea= dy steeped in Wikipedia.</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-si= ze:small"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small">= I'm happy to chat personally with anyone who wants my perspective on Wi= kipedia editing.</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small= "><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small">Dick</di= v><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small"><br></div><div cla= ss=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small"><br></div></div><br><div cla= ss=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon, Jul 13, 20= 20 at 9:13 PM Watson, Charles S. <<a href=3D"mailto:watson@xxxxxxxx">= watson@xxxxxxxx</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote= " style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);= padding-left:1ex"> <div lang=3D"EN-US"> <div class=3D"gmail-m_-2641055219844974667WordSection1"> <p class=3D"MsoNormal">I support Etienne=E2=80=99s effort to maintain the a= ccuracy of the hearing-related entries on Wiki.=C2=A0 Over the past 20 year= s since Wiki began I shifted from warning students not to trust its often h= eavily biased or otherwise inaccurate contents, to recommending it as a reasonable source of quick information that is mos= t often a fair account of the current status of a field or topic.=C2=A0 But= it is up to the =E2=80=9Cinvisible college=E2=80=9D in each field to monit= or the accuracy of Wiki contents and Etienne=E2=80=99s reminder should be appreciated.=C2=A0 Advising those who want to quickly learn abou= t some topic, to begin with prime sources was once appropriate, but times t= hey are a-changing. <u></u><u></u></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal">Chuck Watson<u></u><u></u></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal">Indiana University and<u></u><u></u></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal">CDT, Inc.<u></u><u></u></p> <div style=3D"border-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:none;border-= top:1pt solid rgb(225,225,225);padding:3pt 0in 0in"> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> AUDITORY - Research in Auditory Percept= ion <<a href=3D"mailto:AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx" target=3D"_blank">AUDIT= ORY@xxxxxxxx</a>> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Etienne Gaudrain<br> <b>Sent:</b> Sunday, July 12, 2020 7:44 AM<br> <b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx" target=3D"_blank">AU= DITORY@xxxxxxxx</a><br> <b>Subject:</b> Wikipedia talks on Hearing Loss<u></u><u></u></p> </div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p> <div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal">Dear fellow Auditory Listers,<u></u><u></u></p> </div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p> </div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal">I wanted to signal that there are talks concerning t= he re-organisation of the Hearing Loss/Hearing Impairment pages on Wikipedi= a, and I thought some of you may want to be involved in this and chime in:<= u></u><u></u></p> </div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p> </div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><a href=3D"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Hearin= g_loss#Issues_with_article_title_and_focus" target=3D"_blank">https://en.wi= kipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Hearing_loss#Issues_with_article_title_and_focus</a><= u></u><u></u></p> </div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p> </div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal">For those of you unfamiliar with Wikipedia, there ar= e newcomer guides available:<u></u><u></u></p> </div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><a href=3D"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:A= _primer_for_newcomers" target=3D"_blank">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wiki= pedia:A_primer_for_newcomers</a><u></u><u></u></p> </div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal">It's a bit of a steep learning curve, but well w= orth the effort, and the community is generally welcoming if you don't = start messing around with stuff without discussing it first.<u></u><u></u><= /p> </div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p> </div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal">Also feel free to email me if you have questions. I&= #39;m not the most seasoned Wikipedia contributor, but I've been around= for a while.<u></u><u></u></p> </div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p> </div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal">One final question: Content disputes on Wikipedia ar= e arbitrated through an established process, but in many steps, a democrati= c approach is used, meaning that numbers of contributors weighing for or ag= ainst some decisions matter. So I think it is not a bad idea to keep an eye on what's going on there. As= a result I'm monitoring a bunch of pages for this sort of thing, and I= think it might be useful for our community to stay updated on these. Do yo= u find it useful if I=C2=A0 =E2=80=94 and hopefully also others =E2=80=94 post on this list to signal editorial activity on Wikiped= ia that may require your attention?<u></u><u></u></p> </div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p> </div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal">Cheers,<u></u><u></u></p> </div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal">-Etienne<u></u><u></u></p> </div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p> </div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p> </div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p> </div> <div> <div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:9.5pt">--=C2=A0<br> Etienne Gaudrain, PhD<br> <br> Centre de Recherche en Neurosciences de Lyon - CNRS UMR 5292<br> Universit=C3=A9 Lyon 1<br> 50 av. Tony Garnier<br> 69366 Lyon Cedex 7, FR</span><u></u><u></u></p> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p> </div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:9.5pt">UMCG, Afdeling KNO, = BB20<br> PO Box 30.001<br> 9700 RB Groningen, NL<br> <br> Phone +31 5036 13290<br> Skype egaudrain<br> <br> Note: emails to this address are limited to 10 MB. To send larger files, us= e <a href=3D"mailto:egaudrain.cam@xxxxxxxx" target=3D"_blank"> egaudrain.cam@xxxxxxxx</a>.</span><u></u><u></u></p> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </blockquote></div> --00000000000050c4f105aa60c637--