Subject: Re: [AUDITORY] paper (re)quest: R.I.P. Hayman: Listening to Dreams: A project for Middle Ear Muscle Activity Audio Level Telemetry. From: Alain de Cheveigne <alain.de.cheveigne@xxxxxxxx> Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2020 08:34:08 +0100Hi Pierre,=20 This early reference on Tomatism might be of interest: = http://www.fast.u-psud.fr/~moisy/misc/cantatrix.pdf. Alain > On 27 Apr 2020, at 16:29, PIerre DIVENYI <pdivenyi@xxxxxxxx> = wrote: >=20 > Dear Hans, dear David, >=20 > The idea you brought up may be a red herring but it is nonetheless = fascinating. And Tomatis? Again, a thinker way out of the mainstream = but, still, with stunning ideas. I would like to propose to our group = exploring ideas that, due to our pandemic lock-down, cannot be = investigated in a lab setting. What would we have to lose? >=20 > Be safe all of you, > Pierre >=20 > Pierre Divenyi > Adjunct Professsor=20 > CCRMA > Stanford University=20 >=20 > Sent from my autocorrecting iPad >=20 >> On Apr 27, 2020, at 02:21, David Jackson Morris <dmorris@xxxxxxxx> = wrote: >>=20 >> =EF=BB=BFDear Hans, >>=20 >> Thank you for including that excerpt. I'd be interested to hear if = you uncover more reports from that work. >>=20 >> The MEMA that you mention makes me think of the French ENT Tomatis = who had a therapeutic approach targeting striped muscle in the middle = ear based on the differential between bone and air conduction. It also = included the idea of recreating a nascent dream state as part of = listening therapy. Perhaps you've come across him? If not, google = Tomatis method. >>=20 >> Don't want to start a flame war in quarantine, but last time I looked = at the Tomatis stuff it seemed pseudo-scientific, at best.=20 >>=20 >> Cheers >> David >>=20 >>=20 >> David Jackson Morris >> Associate Professor - Lektor >>=20 >>=20 >> University of Copenhagen (UCPH) - K=C3=B8benhavns Universitet >> Speech Pathology and Audiology - Audiologop=C3=A6di >> Emil Holms Kanal 2 >> 2300 K=C3=B8benhavn S=20 >> Office 22.5.49 >> Homepage department = <https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Fresea= rch.ku.dk%2Fsearch%2Fresult%2F%3Fpure%3Den%252Fpersons%252Fdavid-jackson-m= orris(65eea758-6dd2-4783-ae28-eef3d5ef83ce).html&data=3D02%7C01%7Cnbisgaar= d%40gnresound.com%7C424d0d4a8b5b4b476bfc08d78f57d485%7C5007a0102aef460aa49= 35d61927182be%7C0%7C0%7C637135479707033480&sdata=3D6DwWel3BWxhur7RQxAHwQnq= KQD9oA1uDkk5B3sqC30o%3D&reserved=3D0> >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> <https://www.facebook.com/universitet> = <https://www.instagram.com/university_of_copenhagen> = <https://www.linkedin.com/company/university-of-copenhagen> = <https://twitter.com/koebenhavns_uni> = <https://www.futurity.org/university/university-of-copenhagen/> = <https://theconversation.com/institutions/university-of-copenhagen-1186> = <http://www.ku.dk/> >> How we protect personal data = <https://informationssikkerhed.ku.dk/english/protection-of-information-pri= vacy/privacy-policy/> >>=20 >>=20 >> =EF=BB=BFD. 27.04.2020 06.17 skrev "AUDITORY - Research in Auditory = Perception p=C3=A5 vegne af hans w. koch" <AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx p=C3=A5= vegne af hans.w.koch@xxxxxxxx>: >>=20 >> dear colleagues, >>=20 >> during a seminar a student mentioned a paper by the composer = Richard (R.I.P.) Hayman from 1976, cited in a book by ione =E2=80=9Clisten= ing in dreams=E2=80=9D. >> the papers title "Listening to Dreams: A project for Middle Ear = Muscle Activity Audio Level Telemetry=E2=80=9D and its topic, referenced = in iones book seem interesting, but i couldn=C2=B4t find any trace of = that paper. >> also i would be interested, if there has been further research in = this direction, as recommended by hayman, who run into technical = limitations in his time. >>=20 >> as a reference i quote the relevant passage from iones book below. >>=20 >> thanks for any pointers, even debunking the whole :-) >>=20 >> best >>=20 >> hans w. koch >> professor fuer sound >> kunsthochschule fuer medien koeln >> peter-welter-platz 2, 4. OG >> 50676 koeln >> hans.w.koch@xxxxxxxx >>=20 >> from ione =E2=80=9Clistening in dreams=E2=80=9D p3-4: >>=20 >> Does the eardrum respond to Dream Sounds, much as the eyes respond = to visual dream stimuli? In 1976, Composer and dream specialist R.I.P. = Hayman was a self-described =E2=80=9Cguinea pig=E2=80=9D in the studies = of sound perception in sleep done at New York=E2=80=99s Montefiore = Medical Center. These studies monitored the phenomenon called = MEMA(Middle Ear Muscle Activity), assessing the feedback response of the = nerve endings on the tympanic tensor muscles of the eardrum. These = nerve-endings control muscle tension in response to outside sounds. = During dreams these muscles twitch in response to dreamed sounds, much = as eyes move tracing the movement in our perceived dream events. >>=20 >> Hayman describes the experience in his paper Listening to Dreams: A = project for Middle Ear Muscle Activity Audio Level Telemetry. Using a = system in which a pressure=E2=80=94strain gauge was embedded in a custom = plastic ear mold fitted next to the tympanic membrane, the movement of = the muscles was registered on a polygram, alongside REM and = brain=E2=80=94-wave readings from Electrodes. The MEMA was registered at = sub audio frequencies, which none=E2=80=94the-less exhibited = surprisingly dynamic variations. The subjectively estimated sounds were = loud-85 decibels and over. >>=20 >> Hayman subsequently performed a preliminary experiment. The goal = was to make an audio=E2=80=94level recording of MEMA; and-during six = hours of sleep in an audio studio, an attempt was made to record >> sounds emanating from the eardrum. Though many sounds were = recorded, the results were blurred by the interference of the sounds of = breathing and circulatory systems. It was apparent that in order to get = an accurate result, direct access to the nerve endings would be = reqitired, which with our current technology, would be an invasive and = dangerous process. Hayman speculates that eventually technol- ogy will = advance enough to create a method of listening to dreams that is safe = for the dreamer. >> =E2=80=9CA great new frontier could be opened, giving a wondrous = wealth of imagination to the waking world,=E2=80=9D he surmises. >>=20 >>=20 >>=20