Subject: Re: [AUDITORY] paper (re)quest: R.I.P. Hayman: Listening to Dreams: A project for Middle Ear Muscle Activity Audio Level Telemetry. From: PIerre DIVENYI <pdivenyi@xxxxxxxx> Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2020 08:29:53 -0700Dear Hans, dear David, The idea you brought up may be a red herring but it is nonetheless fascinati= ng. And Tomatis? Again, a thinker way out of the mainstream but, still, with= stunning ideas. I would like to propose to our group exploring ideas that, d= ue to our pandemic lock-down, cannot be investigated in a lab setting. What w= ould we have to lose? Be safe all of you, Pierre Pierre Divenyi Adjunct Professsor=20 CCRMA Stanford University=20 Sent from my autocorrecting iPad > On Apr 27, 2020, at 02:21, David Jackson Morris <dmorris@xxxxxxxx> wrote:= >=20 > =EF=BB=BFDear Hans, >=20 > Thank you for including that excerpt. I'd be interested to hear if you un= cover more reports from that work. >=20 > The MEMA that you mention makes me think of the French ENT Tomatis who had= a therapeutic approach targeting striped muscle in the middle ear based on t= he differential between bone and air conduction. It also included the idea o= f recreating a nascent dream state as part of listening therapy. Perhaps yo= u've come across him? If not, google Tomatis method. >=20 > Don't want to start a flame war in quarantine, but last time I looked at t= he Tomatis stuff it seemed pseudo-scientific, at best.=20 >=20 > Cheers > David >=20 >=20 > David Jackson Morris > Associate Professor - Lektor >=20 >=20 > University of Copenhagen (UCPH) - K=C3=B8benhavns Universitet > Speech Pathology and Audiology - Audiologop=C3=A6di > Emil Holms Kanal 2 > 2300 K=C3=B8benhavn S=20 > Office 22.5.49 > Homepage department <https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=3D= https%3A%2F%2Fresearch.ku.dk%2Fsearch%2Fresult%2F%3Fpure%3Den%252Fpersons%25= 2Fdavid-jackson-morris(65eea758-6dd2-4783-ae28-eef3d5ef83ce).html&data=3D02%= 7C01%7Cnbisgaard%40gnresound.com%7C424d0d4a8b5b4b476bfc08d78f57d485%7C5007a0= 102aef460aa4935d61927182be%7C0%7C0%7C637135479707033480&sdata=3D6DwWel3BWxhu= r7RQxAHwQnqKQD9oA1uDkk5B3sqC30o%3D&reserved=3D0> >=20 >=20 >=20 > <https://www.facebook.com/universitet> <https://www.instagram.com/univers= ity_of_copenhagen> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/university-of-copenhag= en> <https://twitter.com/koebenhavns_uni> <https://www.futurity.org/univer= sity/university-of-copenhagen/> <https://theconversation.com/institutions/u= niversity-of-copenhagen-1186> <http://www.ku.dk/> > How we protect personal data <https://informationssikkerhed.ku.dk/english/= protection-of-information-privacy/privacy-policy/> >=20 >=20 > =EF=BB=BFD. 27.04.2020 06.17 skrev "AUDITORY - Research in Auditory Percep= tion p=C3=A5 vegne af hans w. koch" <AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx p=C3=A5 vegne a= f hans.w.koch@xxxxxxxx>: >=20 > dear colleagues, >=20 > during a seminar a student mentioned a paper by the composer Richard (R= .I.P.) Hayman from 1976, cited in a book by ione =E2=80=9Clistening in dream= s=E2=80=9D. > the papers title "Listening to Dreams: A project for Middle Ear Muscle A= ctivity Audio Level Telemetry=E2=80=9D and its topic, referenced in iones bo= ok seem interesting, but i couldn=C2=B4t find any trace of that paper. > also i would be interested, if there has been further research in this d= irection, as recommended by hayman, who run into technical limitations in hi= s time. >=20 > as a reference i quote the relevant passage from iones book below. >=20 > thanks for any pointers, even debunking the whole :-) >=20 > best >=20 > hans w. koch > professor fuer sound > kunsthochschule fuer medien koeln > peter-welter-platz 2, 4. OG > 50676 koeln > hans.w.koch@xxxxxxxx >=20 > from ione =E2=80=9Clistening in dreams=E2=80=9D p3-4: >=20 > Does the eardrum respond to Dream Sounds, much as the eyes respond to v= isual dream stimuli? In 1976, Composer and dream specialist R.I.P. Hayman wa= s a self-described =E2=80=9Cguinea pig=E2=80=9D in the studies of sound perc= eption in sleep done at New York=E2=80=99s Montefiore Medical Center. These s= tudies monitored the phenomenon called MEMA(Middle Ear Muscle Activity), ass= essing the feedback response of the nerve endings on the tympanic tensor mus= cles of the eardrum. These nerve-endings control muscle tension in response t= o outside sounds. During dreams these muscles twitch in response to dreamed s= ounds, much as eyes move tracing the movement in our perceived dream events.= >=20 > Hayman describes the experience in his paper Listening to Dreams: A pro= ject for Middle Ear Muscle Activity Audio Level Telemetry. Using a system in= which a pressure=E2=80=94strain gauge was embedded in a custom plastic ear m= old fitted next to the tympanic membrane, the movement of the muscles was re= gistered on a polygram, alongside REM and brain=E2=80=94-wave readings from E= lectrodes. The MEMA was registered at sub audio frequencies, which none=E2=80= =94the-less exhibited surprisingly dynamic variations. The subjectively esti= mated sounds were loud-85 decibels and over. >=20 > Hayman subsequently performed a preliminary experiment. The goal was to= make an audio=E2=80=94level recording of MEMA; and-during six hours of slee= p in an audio studio, an attempt was made to record > sounds emanating from the eardrum. Though many sounds were recorded, th= e results were blurred by the interference of the sounds of breathing and ci= rculatory systems. It was apparent that in order to get an accurate result, d= irect access to the nerve endings would be reqitired, which with our current= technology, would be an invasive and dangerous process. Hayman speculates t= hat eventually technol- ogy will advance enough to create a method of listen= ing to dreams that is safe for the dreamer. > =E2=80=9CA great new frontier could be opened, giving a wondrous wealth= of imagination to the waking world,=E2=80=9D he surmises. >=20 >=20 >=20