Subject: Re: [AUDITORY] Effect of sidetone in lowering one's own voice From: Angela Roderick <aostrowski303@xxxxxxxx> Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2019 08:26:21 -0500 List-Archive:<http://lists.mcgill.ca/scripts/wa.exe?LIST=AUDITORY>--0000000000000f2112058c623ab7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I can't recall any studies on this, but I've measured a significant difference in occlusion between men and women. My hypothesis is that body composition, i.e. bone density, body fat , contributes to this difference. The reason I bring it up is that I've used this data to design sidetone filters in headsets. I've noticed that using one design for everyone is an extremely polarizing experience. It actually makes a bad experience for half the people and the other half might not even notice a difference. Obviously, this might not be gender specific but body composition specific, but in general can be seen by comparing genders. I just thought I'd throw this out as a nugget to think about if you start experimenting. Creating 2 sidetone filters was never implemented in a headset, but in prototyping was found to have more satisfied users. Angela Roderick On Thu, Jun 27, 2019 at 11:18 PM Ole Adrian Heggli <oleheggli@xxxxxxxx> wrote: > Hi Deep, > > That depends on whether you are asking about a relative/absolute decrease > of pitch or amplitude? > > Might be of interest, if it's pitch: > > Dixon Ward, W., & Burns, E. M. (1975). Pitch performance in singing > without auditory feedback. The Journal of the Acoustical Society of > America, 58(S1), S116-S116. > M=C3=BCrbe, D., Pabst, F., Hofmann, G., & Sundberg, J. (2002). Significan= ce of > auditory and kinesthetic feedback to singers' pitch control. *Journal of > Voice*, *16*(1), 44-51. > > > Cheers, > Ole Adrian Heggli > > > tor. 27. jun. 2019 kl. 06:21 skrev D Sen <dsen@xxxxxxxx>: > >> Are folks aware of work that studies he lowering of one=E2=80=99s own vo= ice when >> there is feedback of their voice through side-tone (through headphones)? >> >> >> Thanks, >> Deep > > --0000000000000f2112058c623ab7 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div dir=3D"ltr">I can't recall any studies on this, but I've measu= red a significant difference in occlusion between men and women.=C2=A0 My h= ypothesis is that=C2=A0 body composition, i.e. bone density, body fat , con= tributes to this difference.=C2=A0 The reason I bring it up is that=C2=A0 I= 've used this data to design sidetone filters in headsets.=C2=A0 I'= ve noticed that using one design for everyone=C2=A0=C2=A0is an extremely po= larizing experience.=C2=A0 =C2=A0It actually makes a bad experience for hal= f the people and the other half might not even notice a difference.=C2=A0 O= bviously, this might not be gender specific but body composition specific, = but in general can be seen by comparing genders. I just thought I'd thr= ow this out as a nugget to think about if you start experimenting.=C2=A0 Cr= eating 2 sidetone filters was never implemented in a headset, but in protot= yping was found to have more satisfied users.=C2=A0<div><br></div><div>Ange= la Roderick</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" clas= s=3D"gmail_attr">On Thu, Jun 27, 2019 at 11:18 PM Ole Adrian Heggli <<a = href=3D"mailto:oleheggli@xxxxxxxx">oleheggli@xxxxxxxx</a>> wrote:<br><= /div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;bo= rder-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">Hi = Deep,<div><br></div><div>That depends on whether you are asking about a rel= ative/absolute decrease of pitch or amplitude?</div><div><br></div><div>Mig= ht be of interest, if it's pitch:</div><div><br></div><div>Dixon Ward, = W., & Burns, E. M. (1975). Pitch performance in singing without auditor= y feedback. The Journal of the Acoustical Society of America, 58(S1), S116-= S116.<br></div><div><span style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:1= 3px">M=C3=BCrbe, D., Pabst, F., Hofmann, G., & Sundberg, J. (2002). Sig= nificance of auditory and kinesthetic feedback to singers' pitch contro= l.=C2=A0</span><i style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">Jou= rnal of Voice</i><span style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px= ">,=C2=A0</span><i style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">16= </i><span style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">(1), 44-51.= </span>=C2=A0=C2=A0<br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Cheers,</di= v><div>Ole Adrian Heggli</div><div><br></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_= quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">tor. 27. jun. 2019 kl. 06:21 s= krev D Sen <<a href=3D"mailto:dsen@xxxxxxxx" target=3D"_blank">dsen@xxxxxxxx= .org</a>>:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0p= x 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Ar= e folks aware of work that studies he lowering of one=E2=80=99s own voice w= hen there is feedback of their voice through side-tone (through headphones)= ?<br> <br> <br> Thanks,<br> Deep</blockquote></div> </blockquote></div> --0000000000000f2112058c623ab7--