Subject: Re: [AUDITORY] Help finding old localization reference From: Owen Brimijoin <00000067cae902a2-dmarc-request@xxxxxxxx> Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2019 17:57:35 +0000 List-Archive:<http://lists.mcgill.ca/scripts/wa.exe?LIST=AUDITORY>--_000_DM6PR15MB31001DA3D66F3457BA13D049E42B0DM6PR15MB3100namp_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Whoops. Tom has correctly pointed out to me that Wallach did it first! I sh= ould have known, after all Wallach DID EVERYTHING. Thanks, Tom, for the cor= rection! Start on Page 361 of his 1940 article - the section entitled "Rotation of t= he Visual Field." -Owen. From: AUDITORY - Research in Auditory Perception <AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx>= On Behalf Of Owen Brimijoin Sent: Saturday, April 13, 2019 9:19 AM To: AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx Subject: Re: [AUDITORY] Help finding old localization reference Like Tom and Bill I am in the Wallach fan club, for sure. He did a number o= f influential studies on the integration of motion and spatial hearing, but= I'm not entirely certain he did the particular study you are describing. I= think that may have actually been Arnoult, drawing on work by Clark (1949)= on the audiogyral illusion which used actual rotation of the listener inst= ead of the illusory rotation you are describing: Localization of sound during rotation of the visual environment Malcolm D Arnoult The American journal of psychology 65 (1), 48-58, 1952 Is this the one? He had an earlier one as well that I can't find using my m= obile phone atm. Best, Owen. W. Owen Brimijoin Perceptual Research Scientist Facebook Reality Labs ________________________________ From: AUDITORY - Research in Auditory Perception <auditory@xxxxxxxx<= mailto:auditory@xxxxxxxx>> on behalf of William Yost <william.yost@xxxxxxxx= su.edu<mailto:william.yost@xxxxxxxx>> Sent: Friday, April 12, 2019 21:20 To: auditory@xxxxxxxx<mailto:auditory@xxxxxxxx> Subject: Re: [AUDITORY] Help finding old localization reference I am pretty sure the article is by Hans Wallach, this paradigm involving ro= tation vection is described at the end of the paper. Wallach, H. (1940). "The role of head movements and vistibular and visual c= ues in sound localization," J. Exp. Psycho.l 27, 339-368. http://dx.doi.org= /10.1037/h0054629. William A. Yost, PhD Research Professor Spatial Hearing Laboratory College of Health Solutions ASU, P.O. 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Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2019 11:56 AM To: AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx<mailto:AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx> Subject: Help finding old localization reference I was hoping to get a pointer to reference to an old auditory localization = study that I remember hearing about in an undergrad lecture (my impression = was that it was an old study, back when I was an undergrad in the 1990's), = but has stuck with me all these year because it's clever and cool. As I remember it, subjects were seat on a stool within a large cylinder. Th= e walls of the cylinder were made of acoustically transparent canvas or bur= lap, on which vertical black and white stripes were painted. There was a lo= udspeaker directly in front of them, but outside the cylinder so it could b= e heard but not seen. The cylinder rotated slowly to induce the illusion of= motion (subjects felt that they themselves were rotating within a stationa= ry cylinder). When asked where the sound was coming from, they indicated th= at it was directly above, the only location in which interaural intensity a= nd timing cues would be constant, if they were indeed rotating. Assuming I didn't imagine this study, I'd love to talk about this demonstra= tion with my students, but I need more to go on than my sketchy memories. Thanks in advance, Nick -- Nicholas A. Smith, Ph.D. Department of Speech, Language and Hearing Sciences University of Missouri - Columbia School of Health Professions 319 Lewis Hall, Columbia MO, 65211 Office Phone: (573) 882-3575 --_000_DM6PR15MB31001DA3D66F3457BA13D049E42B0DM6PR15MB3100namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <html xmlns:v=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:o=3D"urn:schemas-micr= osoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" = xmlns:m=3D"http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/2004/12/omml" xmlns=3D"http:= //www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40"> <head> <meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3Dus-ascii"= > <meta name=3D"Generator" content=3D"Microsoft Word 15 (filtered medium)"> <!--[if !mso]><style>v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} o\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} w\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} .shape {behavior:url(#default#VML);} </style><![endif]--><style><!-- /* Font Definitions */ @xxxxxxxx {font-family:Helvetica; panose-1:2 11 6 4 2 2 2 2 2 4;} @xxxxxxxx {font-family:"Cambria Math"; panose-1:2 4 5 3 5 4 6 3 2 4;} @xxxxxxxx {font-family:Calibri; panose-1:2 15 5 2 2 2 4 3 2 4;} /* Style Definitions */ p.MsoNormal, li.MsoNormal, div.MsoNormal {margin:0in; margin-bottom:.0001pt; font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;} a:link, span.MsoHyperlink {mso-style-priority:99; color:#0563C1; text-decoration:underline;} a:visited, span.MsoHyperlinkFollowed {mso-style-priority:99; color:#954F72; text-decoration:underline;} p.msonormal0, li.msonormal0, div.msonormal0 {mso-style-name:msonormal; mso-margin-top-alt:auto; margin-right:0in; mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto; margin-left:0in; font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;} p.ms-outlook-ios-reference-expand, li.ms-outlook-ios-reference-expand, div.= ms-outlook-ios-reference-expand {mso-style-name:ms-outlook-ios-reference-expand; mso-margin-top-alt:auto; margin-right:0in; mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto; margin-left:0in; font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#999999;} p.ms-outlook-ios-availability-container, li.ms-outlook-ios-availability-con= tainer, div.ms-outlook-ios-availability-container {mso-style-name:ms-outlook-ios-availability-container; mso-margin-top-alt:auto; margin-right:0in; mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto; margin-left:0in; border:none; padding:0in; font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;} p.ms-outlook-ios-mention, li.ms-outlook-ios-mention, div.ms-outlook-ios-men= tion {mso-style-name:ms-outlook-ios-mention; mso-margin-top-alt:auto; margin-right:0in; mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto; margin-left:0in; background:#F1F1F1; font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#333333;} p.ms-outlook-ios-mention-external, li.ms-outlook-ios-mention-external, div.= ms-outlook-ios-mention-external {mso-style-name:ms-outlook-ios-mention-external; mso-margin-top-alt:auto; margin-right:0in; mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto; margin-left:0in; background:#FDF7E7; font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#BA8F0D;} p.ms-outlook-ios-mention-external-clear-design, li.ms-outlook-ios-mention-e= xternal-clear-design, div.ms-outlook-ios-mention-external-clear-design {mso-style-name:ms-outlook-ios-mention-external-clear-design; mso-margin-top-alt:auto; margin-right:0in; mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto; margin-left:0in; background:#F1F1F1; font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#BA8F0D;} p.msonormal00, li.msonormal00, div.msonormal00 {mso-style-name:msonormal0; mso-margin-top-alt:auto; margin-right:0in; mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto; margin-left:0in; font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;} p.msochpdefault, li.msochpdefault, div.msochpdefault {mso-style-name:msochpdefault; mso-margin-top-alt:auto; margin-right:0in; mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto; margin-left:0in; font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;} span.emailstyle18 {mso-style-name:emailstyle18; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:windowtext;} span.EmailStyle26 {mso-style-type:personal-reply; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:windowtext;} .MsoChpDefault {mso-style-type:export-only; font-size:10.0pt;} @xxxxxxxx WordSection1 {size:8.5in 11.0in; margin:1.0in 1.0in 1.0in 1.0in;} div.WordSection1 {page:WordSection1;} --></style><!--[if gte mso 9]><xml> <o:shapedefaults v:ext=3D"edit" spidmax=3D"1026" /> </xml><![endif]--><!--[if gte mso 9]><xml> <o:shapelayout v:ext=3D"edit"> <o:idmap v:ext=3D"edit" data=3D"1" /> </o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--> </head> <body lang=3D"EN-US" link=3D"#0563C1" vlink=3D"#954F72"> <div class=3D"WordSection1"> <p class=3D"MsoNormal">Whoops. Tom has correctly pointed out to me that Wal= lach did it first! I should have known, after all Wallach DID EVERYTHING. T= hanks, Tom, for the correction!<br> <br> Start on Page 361 of his 1940 article – the section entitled “R= otation of the Visual Field.”<o:p></o:p></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal">-Owen.<o:p></o:p></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"> &nbs= p; <o:p></o:p></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p> <div> <div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in = 0in 0in"> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> AUDITORY - Research in Auditory Percept= ion <AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Owen Brimijoin<br> <b>Sent:</b> Saturday, April 13, 2019 9:19 AM<br> <b>To:</b> AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx<br> <b>Subject:</b> Re: [AUDITORY] Help finding old localization reference<o:p>= </o:p></p> </div> </div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p> <div> <div> <div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal">Like Tom and Bill I am in the Wallach fan club, for = sure. He did a number of influential studies on the integration of motion a= nd spatial hearing, but I’m not entirely certain he did the particula= r study you are describing. I think that may have actually been Arnoult, drawing on work by Clark (1949) on the aud= iogyral illusion which used actual rotation of the listener instead of the = illusory rotation you are describing: <o:p></o:p></p> </div> </div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal">Localization of sound during rotation of the visual = environment<o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal">Malcolm D Arnoult<o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal">The American journal of psychology 65 (1), 48-58, 19= 52<o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal">Is this the one? He had an earlier one as well that = I can’t find using my mobile phone atm. <o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal">Best,<o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal">Owen. <o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p> </div> <div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal">W. Owen Brimijoin<o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal">Perceptual Research Scientist<o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal">Facebook Reality Labs<o:p></o:p></p> </div> </div> </div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div class=3D"MsoNormal" align=3D"center" style=3D"text-align:center"> <hr size=3D"2" width=3D"98%" align=3D"center"> </div> <div id=3D"divRplyFwdMsg"> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"color:black">From:</span></b><span= style=3D"color:black"> AUDITORY - Research in Auditory Perception <</sp= an><a href=3D"mailto:auditory@xxxxxxxx">auditory@xxxxxxxx</a>= <span style=3D"color:black">> on behalf of William Yost <</span><a href=3D"mailto:william.yost@xxxxxxxx">william.yost@xxxxxxxx= du</a><span style=3D"color:black">><br> <b>Sent:</b> Friday, April 12, 2019 21:20<br> <b>To:</b> </span><a href=3D"mailto:auditory@xxxxxxxx">auditory@xxxxxxxx= s.mcgill.ca</a><span style=3D"color:black"><br> <b>Subject:</b> Re: [AUDITORY] Help finding old localization reference <o:p= ></o:p></span></p> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span>= </p> </div> </div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal">I am pretty sure the article is by Hans Wallach, thi= s paradigm involving rotation vection is described at the end of the paper. <o:p></o:p></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:24.0pt;text-indent:-24.0pt;line= -height:150%;text-autospace:none"> <span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:"Times Ne= w Roman",serif">Wallach, H. (<b>1940</b>). “The role of head mov= ements and vistibular and visual cues in sound localization,” J. Exp.= Psycho.l <b>27</b>, 339–368. </span><a href=3D"http://dx.doi.org/10.1037/h0054= 629"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:"Tim= es New Roman",serif">http://dx.doi.org/10.1037/h0054629</span></a><spa= n style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:"Times New Ro= man",serif">.</span><o:p></o:p></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal">William A. Yost, PhD<o:p></o:p></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal">Research Professor<o:p></o:p></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal">Spatial Hearing Laboratory<o:p></o:p></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal">College of Health Solutions<o:p></o:p></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal">ASU, P.O. Box 870102<o:p></o:p></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal">Tempe, AZ 85287 USA<o:p></o:p></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal">480-727-7148<o:p></o:p></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal">Fax: 480-965-8516<o:p></o:p></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><a href=3D"mailto:William.Yost@xxxxxxxx">William.Yost= @xxxxxxxx</a><o:p></o:p></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><a href=3D"https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?= u=3Dhttps-3A__isearch.asu.edu_profile_1099656&d=3DDwMGaQ&c=3D5VD0RT= tNlTh3ycd41b3MUw&r=3D1JJIPDmTuL_tCkct0bi-pWbDvJc5sFi9jAxNTivM9qg&m= =3D1l2NQjJbFhXR8lXstwLFzdmyrxKwvKeX0s5Ef7Bjv1M&s=3D7N-O8JyN-xDp9n-q2PV9= o-5qthT7__3oSwSZMv0jAUk&e=3D">https://isearch.asu.edu/profile/1099656</= a><o:p></o:p></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p> </div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p> <div> <div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in = 0in 0in"> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> AUDITORY - Research in Auditory Percept= ion <<a href=3D"mailto:AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx">AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx= A</a>> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Smith, Nicholas A.<br> <b>Sent:</b> Thursday, April 11, 2019 11:56 AM<br> <b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx">AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx= L.CA</a><br> <b>Subject:</b> Help finding old localization reference<o:p></o:p></p> </div> </div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal">I was hoping to get a pointer to reference to an old= auditory localization study that I remember hearing about in an undergrad = lecture (my impression was that it was an old study, back when I was an und= ergrad in the 1990’s), but has stuck with me all these year because it’s clever and cool. <o:p></o:p= ></p> </div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal">As I remember it, subjects were seat on a stool with= in a large cylinder. The walls of the cylinder were made of acoustically tr= ansparent canvas or burlap, on which vertical black and white stripes were = painted. There was a loudspeaker directly in front of them, but outside the cylinder so it could be heard but not se= en. The cylinder rotated slowly to induce the illusion of motion (subjects = felt that they themselves were rotating within a stationary cylinder). When= asked where the sound was coming from, they indicated that it was directly above, the only location in whic= h interaural intensity and timing cues would be constant, if they were inde= ed rotating. <o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal">Assuming I didn’t imagine this study, I’= d love to talk about this demonstration with my students, but I need more t= o go on than my sketchy memories.<o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal">Thanks in advance,<o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal">Nick <o:p></o:p></p> </div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p> <div> <div> <div> <div> <div> <div> <div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style=3D"font-s= ize:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black"><br> -- <br> Nicholas A. Smith, Ph.D. <br> <br> Department of Speech, Language and Hearing Sciences<br> University of Missouri - Columbia<br> School of Health Professions<br> 319 Lewis Hall, Columbia MO, 65211<br> Office Phone: (573) 882-3575</span><o:p></o:p></p> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p> </div> </div> </div> </div> </body> </html> --_000_DM6PR15MB31001DA3D66F3457BA13D049E42B0DM6PR15MB3100namp_--