Subject: Re: [AUDITORY] Recap: Origin of the 'Bregman picture'? From: "Peter P." <peterparker@xxxxxxxx> Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2019 08:13:13 +0200 List-Archive:<http://lists.mcgill.ca/scripts/wa.exe?LIST=AUDITORY>Dear Fabian, thank you for sending us this CC licensed version of the picture. I can't seem to find your friend's name and would like to give him the attribution he deserves. Did you mention it already? Thanks again, Peter * Brinkmann, Fabian <fabian.brinkmann@xxxxxxxx> [2019-02-28 06:14]: > Dear List, >=20 > thanks for the replies - also off list. Here=E2=80=99s a quick recap an= d a free version of the picture that a friend of mine drew (CC-BY 4.0 lic= ensed). >=20 > Fell free to use it with a reference to Bregmans book, chapter 1, p. 5-= 6 (citation below). The original picture was printed in old editions of G= oldstein's Sensation and Perception text book (at least: German version o= f Goldstein, 4th edition, 1997, Spektrum. Page 352, Figure 9.1., and fift= h edition, 1999, Figure 12.1, p. 350), but is not included in the 9th edi= tion and probably also not in the 10th. >=20 > I=E2=80=99d be grateful for a shaded or colored version of my friends p= icture. If anyone who liked to use it has decent Gimp/Photoshop skills (a= nd time) - I=E2=80=99d be happy to provide a high-res version for this pu= rpose :) >=20 > Best, > Fabian >=20 > ---- >=20 > =E2=80=9CImagine you are on the edge of a lake and a friend challenges = you to play a game. The game is: Your friend digs two narrow channels up = from the side of the lake. Each is a few feet long and a few inches wide = and they are spaced a few feet apart. Halfway up each one, your friend st= retches a handkerchief and fastens it to the sides of the channel. As wav= es reach the side of the lake they travel up to the channels and cause th= e two handkerchiefs to go into motion. You are allowed to look only at th= e handkerchiefs and from their motions to answer a series of queistions: = How many boats are there on the lake and where are they? Which is the mos= t powerful one? Which one is closer? Is the wind blowing? Has any large o= bject been dropped suddenly into the lake? Solving this problem seems imp= ossible, but it is a strict analogy to the problem faced by our auditory = system.=E2=80=9D >=20 >=20 >=20 > > On 22. Feb 2019, at 18:49, Ciocca, Valter (AUDI) <vciocca@xxxxxxxx= .UBC.CA> wrote: > >=20 > > I do not know about the picture, but the analogy is from Al Bregman (= which is why you may have heard it being referenced to his book). > > Best, > > Valter > >=20 > >=20 > >> On 20-02-2019, at 11:57 AM, Andreas Widmann <widmann@xxxxxxxx>= wrote: > >>=20 > >>> was also pointed to Goldstein=E2=80=99s =E2=80=98Sensation and perc= eption=E2=80=99 where I couldn't find it neither. > >> It appears in the German version of Goldstein, 4th edition, 1997, Sp= ektrum. Page 352, Figure 9.1. There are no image credits for the figure. > >>=20 > >> Best, > >> Andreas > >>=20 > >>> Am 19.02.2019 um 12:35 schrieb Brinkmann, Fabian <fabian.brinkmann@xxxxxxxx= TU-BERLIN.DE>: > >>>=20 > >>> Dear List, > >>>=20 > >>> does anyone know the origin of the attached picture? It is usually = referenced to Albert Bregman=E2=80=99s work on auditory scene analysis, h= owever, I fail to find it in his book. I was also pointed to Goldstein=E2= =80=99s =E2=80=98Sensation and perception=E2=80=99 where I couldn't find = it neither. > >>>=20 > >>> Best > >>> Fabian > >>>=20 > >>> <Bregman_ASA.jpg> > >=20 >=20