Subject: Re: [AUDITORY] Research in Auditory Processing From: Ian Cross <ic108@xxxxxxxx> Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2019 10:05:43 +0000 List-Archive:<http://lists.mcgill.ca/scripts/wa.exe?LIST=AUDITORY>This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------882019E1A574E83F8EF600AA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by edgeum1.it.mcgill.ca id x2DA5kQo032737 There's a fairly substantial literature on this, with a very nice paper=20 showing a considerable influence of culture being: Eitan, Z., & Timmers, R. (2010). Beethoven's last piano sonata and those=20 who follow crocodiles: Cross-domain mappings of auditory pitch in a=20 musical context. /Cognition, 114/(3), 405-422. =C2=A0Alternatively, for evidence that a pitch-height mapping may be=20 universal, see: Parkinson, C., Kohler, P. J., Sievers, B., & Wheatley, T. (2012).=20 Associations between Auditory Pitch and Visual Elevation Do Not Depend=20 on Language: Evidence from a Remote Population. /Perception, 41/(7),=20 854-861. and Dolscheid, S., Hunnius, S., Casasanto, D., & Majid, A. (2014).=20 Prelinguistic Infants Are Sensitive to Space-Pitch Associations Found=20 Across Cultures. /Psychological Science, 25/(6), 1256-1261. Ian On 13/03/2019 09:37, Pawe=C5=82 Ku=C5=9Bmierek wrote: > I have not been following this thread so far, but looking back I do=20 > not see two JASA papers of Roffler and Bulter from 1968 mentioned,=20 > they are probably relevant... If they have been mentioned, sorry for=20 > the redundancy! > > Pawel > > On Wed, Mar 13, 2019 at 12:06 AM Jonathan Berger=20 > <brg@xxxxxxxx <mailto:brg@xxxxxxxx>> wrote: > > Unless you are a 'cellist. When my 4 year old daughter started > playing she was flummoxed by the notion that playing lower pitch > meant rising on the fingerboard and vice versa. > > - jonathan > > --- > > Jonathan Berger > The Denning Family Provostial Professor in Music > Bass University Fellow in Undergraduate Education > Stanford University > > http://jonathanberger.net > > On 2019-03-12 04:56, Axel Roebel wrote: > >> Hello >> >> On 11/03/19 13:01, Peter Lennox wrote: >>> But I'm not sure that it's as intuitive to equate higher pitch=3D >>> greater quantity. I mean, I can grasp it visually (I suppose one >>> could try for an evolutionary argument =E2=80=93 a higher pile=3D= a >>> greater quantity, or some such). >> I am all for the evolutionary argument! In fact if you see this fr= om a physical perspective (us living in a world) then larger bodies make = lower >> sounds. So the relation high =3D large cannot be linked to a predo= minant world experience (besides for musicians - see Neuhoff 2002 (:-) - = but also for >> musicians a high note is produced by a smaller instrument, so it d= epends on the context the person uses to interpret the data). For visual >> presentations it seems hard to find situations where you need to l= ook up for something smaller. >> >> Best >> Axel > --=20 Professor Ian Cross Chair, Faculty Board of Music Director, Centre for Music & Science Faculty of Music University of Cambridge Cambridge CB3 9DP www.mus.cam.ac.uk/~cross --------------882019E1A574E83F8EF600AA Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by edgeum1.it.mcgill.ca id x2DA5kQo032737 <html> <head> <meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3DUTF= -8"> </head> <body text=3D"#000000" bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF"> <span style=3D"mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman";mso-bidi-font-family:Arial">There's a fairly substantial literature on this, with a very nice paper showing a considerable influence of culture being:</span><br> <span style=3D"mso-ansi-language:EN-US" lang=3D"EN-US">Eitan, Z., & Timmers, R. (2010). Beethoven's last piano sonata and those who follow crocodiles: Cross-domain mappings of auditory pitch in a musical context. <i>Cognition, 114</i>(3), 405-422.</span><br> <br> =C2=A0Alternatively, for evidence that a pitch-height mapping may be universal, see:<br> <span style=3D"mso-ansi-language:EN-US" lang=3D"EN-US">Parkinson, C., Kohler, P. J., Sievers, B., & Wheatley, T. (2012). Associations between Auditory Pitch and Visual Elevation Do Not Depend on Language: Evidence from a Remote Population. <i>Perception, 41</i>(7), 854-861.</span><br> and<br> <p><span style=3D"mso-ansi-language:EN-US" lang=3D"EN-US">Dolscheid, S., Hunnius, S., Casasanto, D., & Majid, A. (2014). Prelinguistic Infants Are Sensitive to Space-Pitch Associations Found Across Cultures. <i>Psychological Science, 25</i>(6), 1256-1261.</span></p> <p><span style=3D"mso-ansi-language:EN-US" lang=3D"EN-US">Ian<br> </span></p> <div class=3D"moz-cite-prefix">On 13/03/2019 09:37, Pawe=C5=82 Ku=C5=9B= mierek wrote:<br> </div> <blockquote type=3D"cite" cite=3D"mid:23349_1552470194_5C88D0B2_23349_268_1_CAHHssxLvKf-69uLtQ=3DA1= kPngd+yEONRvTBTpvhSGDOeZUkA-Ug@xxxxxxxx"> <meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3DU= TF-8"> <div dir=3D"ltr">I have not been following this thread so far, but looking back I do not see two JASA papers of Roffler and Bulter from 1968 mentioned, they are probably relevant... If they have been mentioned, sorry for the redundancy! <div><br> </div> <div>Pawel</div> </div> <br> <div class=3D"gmail_quote"> <div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Wed, Mar 13, 2019 at 12:= 06 AM Jonathan Berger <<a href=3D"mailto:brg@xxxxxxxx= " target=3D"_blank" moz-do-not-send=3D"true">brg@xxxxxxxx= .edu</a>> wrote:<br> </div> <blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"> <div style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana,Geneva,sans-serif= "> <p>Unless you are a 'cellist. When my 4 year old daughter started playing she was flummoxed by the notion that playing lower pitch meant rising on the fingerboard and vice versa.</p> <p><span style=3D"font-size:10pt">- jonathan=C2=A0</span></p> <div>---<br> <pre>Jonathan Berger The Denning Family Provostial Professor in Music <span>Bass University Fellow in Undergraduate Education</span> Stanford University <a title=3D"http://jonathanberger.net" href=3D"http://jonathanberger.net"= target=3D"_blank" moz-do-not-send=3D"true">http://jonathanberger.net</a>= </pre> </div> <p>On 2019-03-12 04:56, Axel Roebel wrote:</p> <blockquote type=3D"cite" style=3D"padding-left:5px;border-left:2px solid rgb(16,16,255);margin-left:5px"> <pre>Hello On 11/03/19 13:01, Peter Lennox wrote:</pre> <blockquote type=3D"cite" style=3D"padding-left:5px;border-left:2px solid rgb(16,16,255);margin-left:5px">But I'm not sure that it's as intuitive to equate higher pitch=3D greater quantity. I mean, I can grasp it visually (I suppose one could try for an evolutionary argument =E2=80=93 a higher= pile=3D a greater quantity, or some such).</blockquote> <pre>I am all for the evolutionary argument! In fact if you= see this from a physical perspective (us living in a world) then larger = bodies make lower sounds. So the relation high =3D large cannot be linked to a predominant = world experience (besides for musicians - see Neuhoff 2002 (:-) - but als= o for musicians a high note is produced by a smaller instrument, so it depends = on the context the person uses to interpret the data). For visual presentations it seems hard to find situations where you need to look up = for something smaller. Best Axel </pre> </blockquote> </div> </blockquote> </div> </blockquote> <pre class=3D"moz-signature" cols=3D"72">--=20 Professor Ian Cross Chair, Faculty Board of Music Director, Centre for Music & Science Faculty of Music University of Cambridge Cambridge CB3 9DP <a class=3D"moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href=3D"http://www.mus.cam.ac.uk/~c= ross">www.mus.cam.ac.uk/~cross</a></pre> </body> </html> --------------882019E1A574E83F8EF600AA--