Subject: Re: Moving the AUDITORY =?UTF-8?Q?list=3F?= From: "Roy D. Patterson" <rdp1@xxxxxxxx> Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2018 11:47:19 +0100 X-Cam-ScannerInfo:http://help.uis.cam.ac.uk/email-scanner-virus--=_09ca74f986ef0c8d3cd4591fb8008d88 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Dear Dan, Like the other people in this discussion, I have benefited greatly over the years from your support of the Auditory List and I wish to express my undying gratitude to you for the very valuable system you have provided. I also marvel at your ability to do it. Having followed the discussion on the list with interest, I think migrating to Google Groups is a reasonable option, and if you are really willing to do the migrating, I suspect that it is very likely our best option. Dear List members who have participated in the discussion: I appreciate the reasoned arguments you have put forward, but I think you have not given enough weight to the advantages of the solution that Dan proposes. If he does actually have time to implement the move to Google Groups, I think we should accept the offer with our sincere thanks. We have every reason to believe that he will provide us with a solution that will work well for most people. To start afresh with a new volunteer manager involves considerable risk. Best regards, Roy P --- Roy D. Patterson, PhD Department of Physiology, Development and Neuroscience University of Cambridge, Downing Street, Cambridge, CB2 3EG email: rdp1@xxxxxxxx phone +44 (1223) 333819 http://www.pdn.cam.ac.uk/directory/roy-patterson http://www.pdn.cam.ac.uk/groups/cnbh/ http://www.AcousticScale.org On 19.10.2018 16:14, Dan Ellis wrote: > Dear List - > > Al Bregman created the AUDITORY list in 1992, and I took over as the administrator about a year later. A lot has changed in Information and Communication Technologies since then, but the LISTSERV behind AUDITORY has remained largely unchanged. In 2000 I home-spun a custom web interface (in Tcl!) to sidestep the manual edits I had been doing until then, and it's still what we use, running on my old lab's machine at Columbia. That system is also showing its age. > > As you may remember, earlier this year McGill blocked external web access to the Listserv as a security measure, eliminating the modest interface modernizations that had been added to Listserv since the advent of the world wide web. Many of you have since been caught out by the "confirmation link" that you receive in response to posting, but which no longer works. Just this morning I found out (after 25 years!) how to change the text of the confirmation message to eliminate this egregious misdirect. > > However, it got me thinking about the future of AUDITORY. In particular, the current www.auditory.org [1] machine at Columbia won't last for ever, and my leverage there has declined since I moved to Google. I wonder if we should move the whole list to a more modern platform? I would of course make sure the archives were preserved. > > To me, Google Groups seems like the most obvious choice, but perhaps my perspective is skewed. What do you think about the idea of moving off the McGill listserv, and do you have other suggestions for a good replacement? > > Best, > > DAn. Links: ------ [1] http://www.auditory.org --=_09ca74f986ef0c8d3cd4591fb8008d88 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Transitional//EN"> <html><body style=3D'font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman",Times,= serif'> <p>Dear Dan,</p> <p>Like the other people in this discussion, I have benefited greatly over = the years from your support of the Auditory List and I wish to express my u= ndying gratitude to you for the very valuable system you have provided. I a= lso marvel at your ability to do it.</p> <p>Having followed the discussion on the list with interest, I think migrat= ing to Google Groups is a reasonable option, and if you are really willing = to do the migrating, I suspect that it is very likely our best option. = ; </p> <p> </p> <p><span style=3D"font-size: 12pt;">Dear List members who have participated= in the discussion:</span></p> <p><span style=3D"font-size: 12pt;">I appreciate the reasoned arguments you= have put forward, but I think you have not given enough weight to the adva= ntages of the solution that Dan proposes. If he does actually have time to = implement the move to Google Groups, I think we should accept the offer wit= h our sincere thanks. We have every reason to believe that he will provide = us with a solution that will work well for most people. To start afresh wit= h a new volunteer manager involves considerable risk.</span></p> <p><span style=3D"font-size: 12pt;">Best regards,</span></p> <p><span style=3D"font-size: 12pt;">Roy P</span></p> <div> <pre>---<br />Roy D. Patterson, PhD Department of Physiology, Development and Neuroscience University of Cambridge, Downing Street, Cambridge, CB2 3EG email: rdp1@xxxxxxxx phone +44 (1223) 333819 =20 http://www.pdn.cam.ac.uk/directory/roy-patterson http://www.pdn.cam.ac.uk/groups/cnbh/ http://www.AcousticScale.org </pre> </div> <p>On 19.10.2018 16:14, Dan Ellis wrote:</p> <blockquote type=3D"cite" style=3D"padding-left:5px; border-left:#1010ff 2p= x solid; margin-left:5px"><!-- html ignored --><!-- head ignored --><!-- me= ta ignored --> <div dir=3D"ltr">Dear List - <div> </div> <div>Al Bregman created the AUDITORY list in 1992, and I took over as the a= dministrator about a year later. A lot has changed in Information and= Communication Technologies since then, but the LISTSERV behind AUDITORY ha= s remained largely unchanged. In 2000 I home-spun a custom web interf= ace (in Tcl!) to sidestep the manual edits I had been doing until then, and= it's still what we use, running on my old lab's machine at Columbia. = That system is also showing its age.</div> <div> </div> <div>As you may remember, earlier this year McGill blocked external web acc= ess to the Listserv as a security measure, eliminating the modest interface= modernizations that had been added to Listserv since the advent of the wor= ld wide web. Many of you have since been caught out by the "confirmation li= nk" that you receive in response to posting, but which no longer works.&nbs= p; Just this morning I found out (after 25 years!) how to change the text o= f the confirmation message to eliminate this egregious misdirect.</div> <div> </div> <div>However, it got me thinking about the future of AUDITORY. In par= ticular, the current <a href=3D"http://www.auditory.org">www.auditory.org</= a> machine at Columbia won't last for ever, and my leverage there has decli= ned since I moved to Google. I wonder if we should move the whole lis= t to a more modern platform? I would of course make sure the archives were = preserved.</div> <div> </div> <div>To me, Google Groups seems like the most obvious choice, but perhaps m= y perspective is skewed. What do you think about the idea of moving o= ff the McGill listserv, and do you have other suggestions for a good replac= ement?</div> <div> </div> <div>Best, </div> <div> </div> <div> DAn.</div> </div> </blockquote> </body></html> --=_09ca74f986ef0c8d3cd4591fb8008d88--