Subject: Re: [AUDITORY] Moving the AUDITORY list? From: Christian Borss <00000087a2ca59a4-dmarc-request@xxxxxxxx> Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2018 08:24:20 +0200 List-Archive:<http://lists.mcgill.ca/scripts/wa.exe?LIST=AUDITORY>------QZY2NR6X3F1M3R41ORK7205LLZCAH3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear Dan, thanks for putting all the effort into maintaining this mailing list=2E We= all highly appreciate your work=2E I can understand your motivation, but must say that I'm with Peter here=2E In addition, moving to a propriatary solution and giving up control over i= t will make it more difficult later on to move back to a free list server u= nder our own control=2E Should Google at some point start to ask for money = or change their policies or give us any other reason to move back, there is= probably no good way of migrating the mailing list data=2E Google is well = known for collecting data, not for letting it go=2E ;) My 2=C2=A2 here: I would highly favor a mailman list running on an EAA, un= iversity, or any other server from a community member over a Google service= =2E Kind regards, Christian Am 20=2E Oktober 2018 12:27:07 MESZ schrieb "Peter P=2E" <peterparker@xxxxxxxx= MAIL=2ECOM>: >Hi Dan, > >i would second a move to a more recent mailing list software such as >GNU mailman=2E I would disagree with a move to a google product as that >company already has a too big information monopoly and because >information should be kept free and accessible without violoations of >privacy=2E =20 >See https://en=2Ewikipedia=2Eorg/wiki/Google_Groups#Criticism for an >example >of that company's its search policy shortcomings=2E > >McGill runs mailman installations in multiple places already, eg=2E >https://www=2Emcgill=2Eca/bic/mailman/listinfo/minc-users >but I am not sure if the psychology department does=2E > >CIRMMT has a mailman installation >http://lists=2Emusic=2Emcgill=2Eca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/cirmmt-news >who might even host auditory, who knows? > >best, Peter > > >* Dan Ellis <dan=2Eellis@xxxxxxxx=2ECOM> [2018-10-20 06:09]: >> Dear List - >>=20 >> Al Bregman created the AUDITORY list in 1992, and I took over as the >> administrator about a year later=2E A lot has changed in Information >and >> Communication Technologies since then, but the LISTSERV behind >AUDITORY has >> remained largely unchanged=2E In 2000 I home-spun a custom web >interface (in >> Tcl!) to sidestep the manual edits I had been doing until then, and >it's >> still what we use, running on my old lab's machine at Columbia=2E That >> system is also showing its age=2E >>=20 >> As you may remember, earlier this year McGill blocked external web >access >> to the Listserv as a security measure, eliminating the modest >interface >> modernizations that had been added to Listserv since the advent of >the >> world wide web=2E Many of you have since been caught out by the >"confirmation >> link" that you receive in response to posting, but which no longer >works=2E >> Just this morning I found out (after 25 years!) how to change the >text of >> the confirmation message to eliminate this egregious misdirect=2E >>=20 >> However, it got me thinking about the future of AUDITORY=2E In >particular, >> the current www=2Eauditory=2Eorg machine at Columbia won't last for eve= r, >and >> my leverage there has declined since I moved to Google=2E I wonder if >we >> should move the whole list to a more modern platform? I would of >course >> make sure the archives were preserved=2E >>=20 >> To me, Google Groups seems like the most obvious choice, but perhaps >my >> perspective is skewed=2E What do you think about the idea of moving >off the >> McGill listserv, and do you have other suggestions for a good >replacement? >>=20 >> Best, >>=20 >> DAn=2E --=20 Diese Nachricht wurde von meinem Android-Mobiltelefon mit K-9 Mail gesende= t=2E ------QZY2NR6X3F1M3R41ORK7205LLZCAH3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <html><head></head><body>Dear Dan,<br><br>thanks for putting all the effort= into maintaining this mailing list=2E We all highly appreciate your work= =2E<br>I can understand your motivation, but must say that I'm with Peter h= ere=2E<br><br>In addition, moving to a propriatary solution and giving up c= ontrol over it will make it more difficult later on to move back to a free = list server under our own control=2E Should Google at some point start to a= sk for money or change their policies or give us any other reason to move b= ack, there is probably no good way of migrating the mailing list data=2E Go= ogle is well known for collecting data, not for letting it go=2E ;)<br><br>= My 2=C2=A2 here: I would highly favor a mailman list running on an EAA, uni= versity, or any other server from a community member over a Google service= =2E<br><br><br>Kind regards,<br>Christian<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"= >Am 20=2E Oktober 2018 12:27:07 MESZ schrieb "Peter P=2E" <peterparker@xxxxxxxx= ASTMAIL=2ECOM>:<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0pt 0p= t 0pt 0=2E8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex= ;"> <pre class=3D"k9mail">Hi Dan,<br><br>i would second a move to a more recen= t mailing list software such as GNU mailman=2E I would disagree with a move= to a google product as that company already has a too big information mono= poly and because information should be kept free and accessible without vio= loations of privacy=2E <br>See <a href=3D"https://en=2Ewikipedia=2Eorg/wik= i/Google_Groups#Criticism">https://en=2Ewikipedia=2Eorg/wiki/Google_Groups#= Criticism</a> for an example<br>of that company's its search policy shortco= mings=2E<br><br>McGill runs mailman installations in multiple places alread= y, eg=2E<br><a href=3D"https://www=2Emcgill=2Eca/bic/mailman/listinfo/minc-= users">https://www=2Emcgill=2Eca/bic/mailman/listinfo/minc-users</a><br>but= I am not sure if the psychology department does=2E<br><br>CIRMMT has a mai= lman installation<br><a href=3D"http://lists=2Emusic=2Emcgill=2Eca/cgi-bin/= mailman/listinfo/cirmmt-news">http://lists=2Emusic=2Emcgill=2Eca/cgi-bin/ma= ilman/listinfo/cirmmt-news</a><br>who might even host auditory, who knows?<= br><br>best, Peter<br><br><br>* Dan Ellis <dan=2Eellis@xxxxxxxx=2ECOM> [= 2018-10-20 06:09]:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0p= t 0pt 1ex 0=2E8ex; border-left: 1px solid #729fcf; padding-left: 1ex;">Dear= List -<br><br>Al Bregman created the AUDITORY list in 1992, and I took ove= r as the<br>administrator about a year later=2E A lot has changed in Infor= mation and<br>Communication Technologies since then, but the LISTSERV behin= d AUDITORY has<br>remained largely unchanged=2E In 2000 I home-spun a cust= om web interface (in<br>Tcl!) to sidestep the manual edits I had been doing= until then, and it's<br>still what we use, running on my old lab's machine= at Columbia=2E That<br>system is also showing its age=2E<br><br>As you ma= y remember, earlier this year McGill blocked external web access<br>to the = Listserv as a security measure, eliminating the modest interface<br>moderni= zations that had been added to Listserv since the advent of the<br>world wi= de web=2E Many of you have since been caught out by the "confirmation<br>li= nk" that you receive in response to posting, but which no longer works=2E<b= r>Just this morning I found out (after 25 years!) how to change the text of= <br>the confirmation message to eliminate this egregious misdirect=2E<br><b= r>However, it got me thinking about the future of AUDITORY=2E In particula= r,<br>the current www=2Eauditory=2Eorg machine at Columbia won't last for e= ver, and<br>my leverage there has declined since I moved to Google=2E I wo= nder if we<br>should move the whole list to a more modern platform? I would= of course<br>make sure the archives were preserved=2E<br><br>To me, Google= Groups seems like the most obvious choice, but perhaps my<br>perspective i= s skewed=2E What do you think about the idea of moving off the<br>McGill l= istserv, and do you have other suggestions for a good replacement?<br><br>B= est,<br><br> DAn=2E<br></blockquote></pre></blockquote></div><br>-- <br>Di= ese Nachricht wurde von meinem Android-Mobiltelefon mit K-9 Mail gesendet= =2E</body></html> ------QZY2NR6X3F1M3R41ORK7205LLZCAH3--