Subject: Re: [AUDITORY] Psychoacoustics with active-noise cancelling headphones From: Frederick Gallun <fgallun@xxxxxxxx> Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2018 23:43:31 -0700 List-Archive:<http://lists.mcgill.ca/scripts/wa.exe?LIST=AUDITORY>--0000000000002b4c4c057633ba44 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" You might find this article useful. Clark, J. G., Brady, M., Earl, B. R., Scheifele, P. M., Snyder, L., & Clark, S. D. (2017). Use of noise cancellation earphones in out-of-booth audiometric evaluations. *International journal of audiology*, *56*(12), 989-996. https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/14992027.2017.1362118?casa_token=wYHosEFZg-8AAAAA:3Tqw7n9Mqscgbcbm6aKrH2uYhlrZ5LNlfMp-Hy4QHhldkLUPILamnsmpy9E5Y3ZKVhziT2PEHgMgKg Erick On Tue, Sep 18, 2018 at 11:32 PM Guillaume Lemaitre < guillaumejlemaitre@xxxxxxxx> wrote: > Dear list, > Sorry I wasn't clear: I don't want to use them in scanner but on a train, > I was just mentioning MRI-compartible earphones because I had good results > with them (to cancel out the scanner noise), and I would like to achieve > similar results with less expensive devices, whithin train, to cancel out > the train background noise. > Thank you ! > > Guillaume > > On Wed, Sep 19, 2018 at 6:59 AM PIerre DIVENYI < > pdivenyi@xxxxxxxx> wrote: > >> ...or the MRI scanner, if it is a 3T or 4T, would fry the headphone. >> >> Lots of luck, >> Pierre >> >> Sent from my autocorrecting iPad >> >> On Sep 18, 2018, at 8:28 AM, Alan Kan < >> 0000008313d65024-dmarc-request@xxxxxxxx> wrote: >> >> Hi Guillaume, >> >> >> >> I think the metal components in active-noise cancelling headphones would >> probably destroy an MRI scanner. >> >> >> >> Cheers >> >> >> >> Alan >> >> >> >> *From:* AUDITORY - Research in Auditory Perception [ >> mailto:AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx <AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx>] *On Behalf >> Of *Guillaume Lemaitre >> *Sent:* Monday, September 17, 2018 2:21 AM >> *To:* AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx >> *Subject:* [AUDITORY] Psychoacoustics with active-noise cancelling >> headphones >> >> >> >> Dear list, >> >> I would like to know if someone has ever tried to conduct a >> psychoacoustics experiment with active-noise cancelling headphones. >> >> I am wondering whether existing devices would be good enough to cancel >> out a wideband background noise (such as a train interior noise) and >> playback stimuli with sufficient accuracy. >> >> I have been happy with insert earphones for experiments within an MRI >> scanner, but I wonder if less expensive consumer audio devices could do the >> job for environmental background noises. >> >> Many thanks ! >> >> Guillaume Lemaitre >> >> >> >> -- --------------------------------------------- Frederick (Erick) Gallun, PhD Research Investigator, VA RR&D National Center for Rehabilitative Auditory Research Associate Professor, Oregon Health & Science University http://www.ncrar.research.va.gov/AboutUs/Staff/Gallun.asp --0000000000002b4c4c057633ba44 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div><div><div><div dir=3D"auto">You might find this article useful.</div><= /div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto"><span style=3D"color:rgb= (34,34,34);font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb= (255,255,255)">Clark, J. G., Brady, M., Earl, B. R., Scheifele, P. M., Snyd= er, L., & Clark, S. D. (2017). Use of noise cancellation earphones in o= ut-of-booth audiometric evaluations.=C2=A0</span><i style=3D"color:rgb(34,3= 4,34);font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">International journal of= audiology</i><span style=3D"color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:Arial,sans-ser= if;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">,=C2=A0</span><i style= =3D"color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">56</i>= <span style=3D"color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:1= 3px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">(12), 989-996.</span><br></div><div = dir=3D"auto"><span style=3D"color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:Arial,sans-seri= f;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><div><a href=3D"https:/= /www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/14992027.2017.1362118?casa_token=3DwYH= osEFZg-8AAAAA:3Tqw7n9Mqscgbcbm6aKrH2uYhlrZ5LNlfMp-Hy4QHhldkLUPILamnsmpy9E5Y= 3ZKVhziT2PEHgMgKg" target=3D"_blank">https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10= .1080/14992027.2017.1362118?casa_token=3DwYHosEFZg-8AAAAA:3Tqw7n9Mqscgbcbm6= aKrH2uYhlrZ5LNlfMp-Hy4QHhldkLUPILamnsmpy9E5Y3ZKVhziT2PEHgMgKg</a></div><br>= </span></div><div dir=3D"auto"><span style=3D"color:rgb(34,34,34);font-fami= ly:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><br><= /span></div><div dir=3D"auto"><span style=3D"color:rgb(34,34,34);font-famil= y:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">Erick<= /span></div></div></div><div><div><div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div = dir=3D"ltr">On Tue, Sep 18, 2018 at 11:32 PM Guillaume Lemaitre <<a href= =3D"mailto:guillaumejlemaitre@xxxxxxxx" target=3D"_blank">guillaumejlemait= re@xxxxxxxx</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" styl= e=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div di= r=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div>Dear list,<br></div>Sorry I wasn't= clear: I don't want to use=20 them in scanner but on a train, I was just mentioning MRI-compartible=20 earphones because I had good results with them (to cancel out the scanner n= oise), and I=20 would like to achieve similar results with less expensive=20 devices, whithin train, to cancel out the train background noise.<br></div>= <div>Thank you !</div></div></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><b= r></div>Guillaume</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr= ">On Wed, Sep 19, 2018 at 6:59 AM PIerre DIVENYI <<a href=3D"mailto:pdiv= enyi@xxxxxxxx" target=3D"_blank">pdivenyi@xxxxxxxx</a>&= gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0= .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"auto">...or = the MRI scanner, if it is a 3T or 4T, would fry the headphone.<div><br></di= v><div>Lots of luck,</div><div>Pierre</div><div><br><div id=3D"m_5765302707= 054410068m_-6797263211818088353m_-1698678352299717800m_-5976919752889367241= AppleMailSignature">Sent from my autocorrecting iPad</div><div><br>On Sep 1= 8, 2018, at 8:28 AM, Alan Kan <<a href=3D"mailto:0000008313d65024-dmarc-= request@xxxxxxxx" target=3D"_blank">0000008313d65024-dmarc-request@xxxxxxxx= ISTS.MCGILL.CA</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div> <div class=3D"m_5765302707054410068m_-6797263211818088353m_-169867835229971= 7800m_-5976919752889367241WordSection1"> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca= libri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Hi Guillaume,<u></u><u></u></span></p= > <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca= libri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca= libri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">I think the metal components in activ= e-noise cancelling headphones would probably destroy an MRI scanner. <u></u><u></u></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca= libri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca= libri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Cheers<u></u><u></u></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca= libri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca= libri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Alan<u></u><u></u></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca= libri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"= ;Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;= font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> AUDITORY - Research in Auditor= y Perception [<a href=3D"mailto:AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx" target=3D"_blank"= >mailto:AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Guillaume Lemaitre<br> <b>Sent:</b> Monday, September 17, 2018 2:21 AM<br> <b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx" target=3D"_blank">AU= DITORY@xxxxxxxx</a><br> <b>Subject:</b> [AUDITORY] Psychoacoustics with active-noise cancelling hea= dphones<u></u><u></u></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p> <div> <div> <div> <div> <div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal">Dear list,<u></u><u></u></p> </div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal">I would like to know if someone has ever tried to co= nduct a psychoacoustics experiment with active-noise cancelling headphones. <u></u><u></u></p> </div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal">I am wondering whether existing devices would be goo= d enough to cancel out a wideband background noise (such as a train interio= r noise) and playback stimuli with sufficient accuracy.<u></u><u></u></p> </div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal">I have been happy with insert earphones for experime= nts within an MRI scanner, but I wonder if less expensive consumer audio de= vices could do the job for environmental background noises.<u></u><u></u></= p> </div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal">Many thanks !<u></u><u></u></p> </div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal">Guillaume Lemaitre<u></u><u></u></p> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p> </div> </div> </div> </div></blockquote></div></div></blockquote></div> </blockquote></div></div> </div> </div>-- <br><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_signature" data-smartmail=3D"g= mail_signature">---------------------------------------------<br>Frederick = (Erick) Gallun, PhD =E2=80=A8Research Investigator, VA RR&D National Ce= nter for Rehabilitative Auditory Research <br>Associate Professor, Oregon H= ealth & Science University<br><a href=3D"http://www.ncrar.research.va.g= ov/AboutUs/Staff/Gallun.asp">http://www.ncrar.research.va.gov/AboutUs/Staff= /Gallun.asp</a><br></div> --0000000000002b4c4c057633ba44--