Subject: Re: [AUDITORY] Shortest duration to perceive timbre or tonal quality? Suggest reference From: Tyler H Churchill <thchurchill@xxxxxxxx> Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2018 07:37:21 -0400 List-Archive:<http://lists.mcgill.ca/scripts/wa.exe?LIST=AUDITORY>--001a1140bfb89463c80567c26138 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This may be of interest: Oppenheim, Jacob N., and Marcelo O. Magnasco. "Human time-frequency acuity beats the Fourier uncertainty principle." Physical review letters 110.4 (2013): 044301. <https://journals.aps.org/prl/pdf/10.1103/PhysRevLett.110.044301> Tyler On Sun, Mar 18, 2018 at 5:25 PM, Ciocca, Valter (AUDI) < vciocca@xxxxxxxx> wrote: > See also: > Robinson K and Patterson RD (1995) The Duration Required To Identify the > Instrument, the Octave, or the Pitch Chroma of a Musical Note, Music > Perception, 13, 1, 1-15. > > Valter > > On 17-03-2018, at 5:25 AM, Bruno L. Giordano <brungio@xxxxxxxx> wrote: > > Dear Jiajun, > > I am not sure the web page referenced them, but what comes to mind, among > others, is the work of Clara Suied et al. on this topic, e.g.: > > @xxxxxxxx{suied2010natural, > title=3D{Why are natural sounds detected faster than pips?}, > author=3D{Suied, Clara and Susini, Patrick and McAdams, Stephen and > Patterson, Roy D}, > journal=3D{The Journal of the Acoustical Society of America}, > volume=3D{127}, > pages=3D{EL105--EL110}, > year=3D{2010}, > } > > @xxxxxxxx{agus2012fast, > title=3D{Fast recognition of musical sounds based on timbre}, > author=3D{Agus, Trevor R and Suied, Clara and Thorpe, Simon J and > Pressnitzer, Daniel}, > journal=3D{The Journal of the Acoustical Society of America}, > volume=3D{131}, > pages=3D{4124--4133}, > year=3D{2012}, > } > > @xxxxxxxx{suied2014auditory, > title=3D{Auditory gist: Recognition of very short sounds from timbre cu= es}, > author=3D{Suied, Clara and Agus, Trevor R and Thorpe, Simon J and > Mesgarani, Nima and Pressnitzer, Daniel}, > journal=3D{The Journal of the Acoustical Society of America}, > volume=3D{135}, > pages=3D{1380--1391}, > year=3D{2014}, > } > > Best, > > Bruno > > > On 16 March 2018 at 10:24, Jiajun Yang <thejyang@xxxxxxxx> wrote: > >> Dear colleagues, >> >> I am hoping if you can point us to some studies on whether there is a >> minimum duration of sound for its timbre or tonal quality to be clearly >> perceived. >> >> I found this quote from http://www.indiana.edu/~e >> music/etext/acoustics/chapter1_timbre.shtml that =E2=80=9CSome studies h= ave >> indicated it takes at least 60ms to recognise the timbre of a sound=E2= =80=9D >> However, I am not about to locate the exact study. >> >> Many thanks >> >> Jiajun Yang >> Postdoc research, Ambient Intelligence Group, >> Citec, Bielefeld University, Germany >> > > > > -- > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Bruno L. Giordano, PhD =E2=80=93 CR1 > Institut de Neurosciences de la Timone (INT) > UMR 7289, CNRS and Aix Marseille Universit=C3=A9 > http://www.int.univ-amu.fr/ > Campus sant=C3=A9 Timone > 27, boulevard Jean Moulin > <https://maps.google.com/?q=3D27,+boulevard+Jean+Moulin&entry=3Dgmail&sou= rce=3Dg> > 13385 Marseille cedex 5 > Www: http://www.brunolgiordano.net > > > --001a1140bfb89463c80567c26138 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div dir=3D"ltr"><div><span style=3D"color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:Arial,= sans-serif;font-size:13px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;f= ont-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:le= ft;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;= background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decora= tion-color:initial;float:none;display:inline">This may be of interest:</spa= n></div><div><span style=3D"color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:Arial,sans-seri= f;font-size:13px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-varia= nt-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:left;text-i= ndent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;backgroun= d-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-colo= r:initial;float:none;display:inline"><br></span></div><div> <a href=3D"https://journals.aps.org/prl/pdf/10.1103/PhysRevLett.110.044301"= >Oppenheim, Jacob N., and Marcelo O. Magnasco. "Human time-frequency a= cuity beats the Fourier uncertainty principle."=C2=A0Physical review l= etters=C2=A0110.4 (2013): 044301.</a><br></div><div><br></div>Tyler</div><d= iv class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sun, Mar 18, 201= 8 at 5:25 PM, Ciocca, Valter (AUDI) <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto= :vciocca@xxxxxxxx" target=3D"_blank">vciocca@xxxxxxxx</= a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0= 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> <div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word;line-break:after-white-space"> See also: <div>Robinson K and Patterson RD (1995)=C2=A0The Duration Required To Ident= ify the Instrument, the Octave, or the Pitch Chroma of a Musical Note, Musi= c Perception, 13, 1, 1-15.</div><span class=3D"HOEnZb"><font color=3D"#8888= 88"> </font></span><div><span class=3D"HOEnZb"><font color=3D"#888888"><br> <div>Valter</div></font></span><div><div class=3D"h5"> <div><br> <blockquote type=3D"cite"> <div>On 17-03-2018, at 5:25 AM, Bruno L. Giordano <<a href=3D"mailto:bru= ngio@xxxxxxxx" target=3D"_blank">brungio@xxxxxxxx</a>> wrote:</div> <br class=3D"m_-7765267125268880326Apple-interchange-newline"> <div> <div dir=3D"ltr">Dear Jiajun, <div><br> </div> <div>I am not sure the web page referenced them, but what comes to mind, am= ong others, is the work of Clara Suied et al. on this topic, e.g.:</div> <div><br> </div> <div> <div>@xxxxxxxx{suied2010natural,</div> <div>=C2=A0 title=3D{Why are natural sounds detected faster than pips?},</d= iv> <div>=C2=A0 author=3D{Suied, Clara and Susini, Patrick and McAdams, Stephen= and Patterson, Roy D},</div> <div>=C2=A0 journal=3D{The Journal of the Acoustical Society of America},</= div> <div>=C2=A0 volume=3D{127},</div> <div>=C2=A0 pages=3D{EL105--EL110},</div> <div>=C2=A0 year=3D{2010},</div> <div>}</div> </div> <div><br> </div> <div> <div>@xxxxxxxx{agus2012fast,</div> <div>=C2=A0 title=3D{Fast recognition of musical sounds based on timbre},</= div> <div>=C2=A0 author=3D{Agus, Trevor R and Suied, Clara and Thorpe, Simon J a= nd Pressnitzer, Daniel},</div> <div>=C2=A0 journal=3D{The Journal of the Acoustical Society of America},</= div> <div>=C2=A0 volume=3D{131},</div> <div>=C2=A0 pages=3D{4124--4133},</div> <div>=C2=A0 year=3D{2012},</div> <div>}</div> </div> <div><br> </div> <div> <div>@xxxxxxxx{suied2014auditory,</div> <div>=C2=A0 title=3D{Auditory gist: Recognition of very short sounds from t= imbre cues},</div> <div>=C2=A0 author=3D{Suied, Clara and Agus, Trevor R and Thorpe, Simon J a= nd Mesgarani, Nima and Pressnitzer, Daniel},</div> <div>=C2=A0 journal=3D{The Journal of the Acoustical Society of America},</= div> <div>=C2=A0 volume=3D{135},</div> <div>=C2=A0 pages=3D{1380--1391},</div> <div>=C2=A0 year=3D{2014},</div> <div>}</div> </div> <div><br> </div> <div>Best,</div> <div><br> </div> <div>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Bruno</div> <div><br> <div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br> <div class=3D"gmail_quote">On 16 March 2018 at 10:24, Jiajun Yang <span dir= =3D"ltr"> <<a href=3D"mailto:thejyang@xxxxxxxx" target=3D"_blank">thejyang@xxxxxxxx= com</a>></span> wrote:<br> <blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-= left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"> <div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word">Dear colleagues,=C2=A0 <div><br> </div> <div>I am hoping if you can point us to some studies on whether there is a = minimum duration of sound for its timbre or tonal quality to be clearly per= ceived.=C2=A0</div> <div><br> </div> <div>I found this quote from=C2=A0<a href=3D"http://www.indiana.edu/~emusic= /etext/acoustics/chapter1_timbre.shtml" target=3D"_blank">http://www.indian= a.edu/~e<wbr>music/etext/acoustics/chapter1<wbr>_timbre.shtml</a>=C2=A0that= =E2=80=9CSome studies have indicated it takes at least 60ms to recognise the timbre of a sound= =E2=80=9D However, I am not about to locate the exact study.=C2=A0</div> <div><br> </div> <div>Many thanks</div> <span class=3D"m_-7765267125268880326gmail-HOEnZb"><font color=3D"#888888"> <div><br> </div> <div>Jiajun Yang</div> <div>Postdoc research, Ambient Intelligence Group,=C2=A0</div> <div>Citec, Bielefeld University, Germany</div> </font></span></div> </blockquote> </div> <br> <br clear=3D"all"> <div><br> </div> -- <br> <div class=3D"m_-7765267125268880326gmail_signature"> <div dir=3D"ltr"> <div style=3D"color:rgb(136,136,136);font-size:12.8px">~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~= ~~~~~~~~~~<wbr>~~</div> <div style=3D"color:rgb(136,136,136);font-size:12.8px">Bruno L. Giordano, P= hD =E2=80=93 CR1</div> <div style=3D"color:rgb(136,136,136);font-size:12.8px">Institut de Neurosci= ences de la Timone (INT)</div> <div style=3D"color:rgb(136,136,136);font-size:12.8px">UMR 7289, CNRS and A= ix Marseille Universit=C3=A9</div> <div style=3D"color:rgb(136,136,136);font-size:12.8px"><a href=3D"http://ww= w.int.univ-amu.fr/" style=3D"color:rgb(17,85,204)" target=3D"_blank">http:/= /www.int.univ-amu.fr/</a></div> <div style=3D"color:rgb(136,136,136);font-size:12.8px">Campus sant=C3=A9 Ti= mone</div> <div style=3D"color:rgb(136,136,136);font-size:12.8px"><a href=3D"https://m= aps.google.com/?q=3D27,+boulevard+Jean+Moulin&entry=3Dgmail&source= =3Dg">27, boulevard Jean Moulin</a></div> <div style=3D"color:rgb(136,136,136);font-size:12.8px">13385 Marseille cede= x 5</div> <div style=3D"color:rgb(136,136,136);font-size:12.8px">Www:=C2=A0<a href=3D= "http://www.brunolgiordano.net/" style=3D"color:rgb(17,85,204)" target=3D"_= blank">http://www.<wbr>brunolgiordano.net</a></div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </blockquote> </div> <br> </div></div></div> </div> </blockquote></div><br></div> --001a1140bfb89463c80567c26138--