Subject: Re: [AUDITORY] Shortest duration to perceive timbre or tonal quality? Suggest reference From: Jonathan Berger <brg@xxxxxxxx> Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2018 07:08:19 -0400 List-Archive:<http://lists.mcgill.ca/scripts/wa.exe?LIST=AUDITORY>See Matthew Wright's PhD thesis: https://ccrma.stanford.edu/~matt/diss/Matthew-Wright-Dissertation.pdf and John Gordon's earlier work in the late 1980s. - jonathan --- Jonathan Berger The Denning Family Provostial Professor in Music Bass University Fellow in Undergraduate Education Stanford University http://jonathanberger.net On 2018-03-17 18:07, James W. Beauchamp wrote: > Dear Jiajun, > > There have been numerous clues that attack transients of musical > instrument tones are important, but there's not been a lot of hard > evidence. > > The 1963 paper by Clark, et al.: > "Preliminary Experiments on the Aural Significance of Parts of Tones > of Orchesteral Instruments and on Choral Tones", J Audio Eng Soc, > Vol 11, no. 1, pp 45-54 (1963) > > gives confusions matrices for 13 sustain tone instruments for normal > tones, first 0.15 s of tones, first 0.06 s of tones, and 0.60 s of > their "steady states". > > These matrices showed that "identification of nonpercussive orchestral > instruments from the first 0.15 sec of their tones is not much worse > than from the normal tone". It was "very striking that the > identifications > (were) so very resistent to shortening the duration of the note". > > It would be good to see more evidence about the importance of > transients > for identification. I suspect that much shorter transients could be > identified for percussive instruments. E.g., piano vs. guitar vs. koto. > > Jim Beauchamp > University of Illinois > > Original message: >> From: Jiajun Yang <thejyang@xxxxxxxx> >> Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2018 11:24:33 +0100 >> To: AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx >> Subject: Shortest duration to perceive timbre or tonal quality? >> Suggest reference >> >> Dear colleagues, >> >> I am hoping if you can point us to some studies on whether there is a >> minimum duration of sound for its timbre or tonal quality to be >> clearly >> perceived. >> >> I found this quote from >> http://www.indiana.edu/~emusic/etext/acoustics/chapter1_timbre.shtml >> <http://www.indiana.edu/~emusic/etext/acoustics/chapter1_timbre.shtml> >> that "Some studies have indicated it takes at least 60ms to recognise >> the timbre of a sound" However, I am not about to locate the exact >> study. >> >> Many thanks >> >> Jiajun Yang >> Postdoc research, Ambient Intelligence Group, >> Citec, Bielefeld University, Germany=