Subject: Re: [AUDITORY] Shortest duration to perceive timbre or tonal quality? Suggest reference From: "Bruno L. Giordano" <brungio@xxxxxxxx> Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2018 12:25:18 +0000 List-Archive:<http://lists.mcgill.ca/scripts/wa.exe?LIST=AUDITORY>--94eb2c05e33c59362905679ad128 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear Jiajun, I am not sure the web page referenced them, but what comes to mind, among others, is the work of Clara Suied et al. on this topic, e.g.: @xxxxxxxx{suied2010natural, title=3D{Why are natural sounds detected faster than pips?}, author=3D{Suied, Clara and Susini, Patrick and McAdams, Stephen and Patterson, Roy D}, journal=3D{The Journal of the Acoustical Society of America}, volume=3D{127}, pages=3D{EL105--EL110}, year=3D{2010}, } @xxxxxxxx{agus2012fast, title=3D{Fast recognition of musical sounds based on timbre}, author=3D{Agus, Trevor R and Suied, Clara and Thorpe, Simon J and Pressnitzer, Daniel}, journal=3D{The Journal of the Acoustical Society of America}, volume=3D{131}, pages=3D{4124--4133}, year=3D{2012}, } @xxxxxxxx{suied2014auditory, title=3D{Auditory gist: Recognition of very short sounds from timbre cues= }, author=3D{Suied, Clara and Agus, Trevor R and Thorpe, Simon J and Mesgarani, Nima and Pressnitzer, Daniel}, journal=3D{The Journal of the Acoustical Society of America}, volume=3D{135}, pages=3D{1380--1391}, year=3D{2014}, } Best, Bruno On 16 March 2018 at 10:24, Jiajun Yang <thejyang@xxxxxxxx> wrote: > Dear colleagues, > > I am hoping if you can point us to some studies on whether there is a > minimum duration of sound for its timbre or tonal quality to be clearly > perceived. > > I found this quote from http://www.indiana.edu/~emusic/etext/acoustics/ > chapter1_timbre.shtml that =E2=80=9CSome studies have indicated it takes = at least > 60ms to recognise the timbre of a sound=E2=80=9D However, I am not about = to locate > the exact study. > > Many thanks > > Jiajun Yang > Postdoc research, Ambient Intelligence Group, > Citec, Bielefeld University, Germany > --=20 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Bruno L. Giordano, PhD =E2=80=93 CR1 Institut de Neurosciences de la Timone (INT) UMR 7289, CNRS and Aix Marseille Universit=C3=A9 http://www.int.univ-amu.fr/ Campus sant=C3=A9 Timone 27, boulevard Jean Moulin 13385 Marseille cedex 5 Www: http://www.brunolgiordano.net --94eb2c05e33c59362905679ad128 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div dir=3D"ltr">Dear Jiajun,<div><br></div><div>I am not sure the web page= referenced them, but what comes to mind, among others, is the work of Clar= a Suied et al. on this topic, e.g.:</div><div><br></div><div><div>@xxxxxxxx{= suied2010natural,</div><div>=C2=A0 title=3D{Why are natural sounds detected= faster than pips?},</div><div>=C2=A0 author=3D{Suied, Clara and Susini, Pa= trick and McAdams, Stephen and Patterson, Roy D},</div><div>=C2=A0 journal= =3D{The Journal of the Acoustical Society of America},</div><div>=C2=A0 vol= ume=3D{127},</div><div>=C2=A0 pages=3D{EL105--EL110},</div><div>=C2=A0 year= =3D{2010},</div><div>}</div></div><div><br></div><div><div>@xxxxxxxx{agus201= 2fast,</div><div>=C2=A0 title=3D{Fast recognition of musical sounds based o= n timbre},</div><div>=C2=A0 author=3D{Agus, Trevor R and Suied, Clara and T= horpe, Simon J and Pressnitzer, Daniel},</div><div>=C2=A0 journal=3D{The Jo= urnal of the Acoustical Society of America},</div><div>=C2=A0 volume=3D{131= },</div><div>=C2=A0 pages=3D{4124--4133},</div><div>=C2=A0 year=3D{2012},</= div><div>}</div></div><div><br></div><div><div>@xxxxxxxx{suied2014auditory,<= /div><div>=C2=A0 title=3D{Auditory gist: Recognition of very short sounds f= rom timbre cues},</div><div>=C2=A0 author=3D{Suied, Clara and Agus, Trevor = R and Thorpe, Simon J and Mesgarani, Nima and Pressnitzer, Daniel},</div><d= iv>=C2=A0 journal=3D{The Journal of the Acoustical Society of America},</di= v><div>=C2=A0 volume=3D{135},</div><div>=C2=A0 pages=3D{1380--1391},</div><= div>=C2=A0 year=3D{2014},</div><div>}</div></div><div><br></div><div>Best,<= /div><div><br></div><div>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Bruno</div><div><br><div class= =3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On 16 March 2018 at 10:24, = Jiajun Yang <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:thejyang@xxxxxxxx" tar= get=3D"_blank">thejyang@xxxxxxxx</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote clas= s=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid r= gb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word">Dear = colleagues,=C2=A0<div><br></div><div>I am hoping if you can point us to som= e studies on whether there is a minimum duration of sound for its timbre or= tonal quality to be clearly perceived.=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>I fo= und this quote from=C2=A0<a href=3D"http://www.indiana.edu/~emusic/etext/ac= oustics/chapter1_timbre.shtml" target=3D"_blank">http://www.indiana.edu/~<w= br>emusic/etext/acoustics/<wbr>chapter1_timbre.shtml</a>=C2=A0that =E2=80= =9CSome studies have indicated it takes at least 60ms to recognise the timb= re of a sound=E2=80=9D However, I am not about to locate the exact study.= =C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>Many thanks</div><span class=3D"gmail-HOEnZ= b"><font color=3D"#888888"><div><br></div><div>Jiajun Yang</div><div>Postdo= c research, Ambient Intelligence Group,=C2=A0</div><div>Citec, Bielefeld Un= iversity, Germany</div></font></span></div></blockquote></div><br><br clear= =3D"all"><div><br></div>-- <br><div class=3D"gmail_signature"><div dir=3D"l= tr"><div style=3D"color:rgb(136,136,136);font-size:12.8px">~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~= ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~</div><div style=3D"color:rgb(136,136,136);font-size:12.8px= ">Bruno L. 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