Subject: Re: [AUDITORY] Who coined the term "head-related transfer function"? From: PIerre DIVENYI <pdivenyi@xxxxxxxx> Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2018 21:33:10 -0800 List-Archive:<http://lists.mcgill.ca/scripts/wa.exe?LIST=AUDITORY>--Apple-Mail-79731500-EB5A-4DEA-AEBF-A3297313A6EA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dick, Reading your very thoughtful analyis the real, I mean =E2=80=9Creal,=E2=80=9D= question that comes to mind is what, if any, the use of the many available H= RTF databases is, since (as you state) these functions are time varying and e= ven subject to cognitvely induced changes. This being the case, the only rel= iable HRTFs are those measured in KEMAR, a head the cognitive functions insi= de which should be negligible.=20 Pierre Sent from my iPad > On Feb 25, 2018, at 19:16, Richard F. Lyon <dicklyon@xxxxxxxx> wrote: >=20 > Hello Mr. Schoenwiesner - > Here are the mails that have come to me. As Dorte Hammershoei rightly note= s, the outer ear transmission functions are old hat. In particular, Shaw has= contributed much to this. The word "head-related" has long been common and s= emantically correct in stereophony as opposed to "spatially referenced". The= transfer function to the eardrum from a plane wave or the near field of a s= ource are not head related, but are just the transfer functions of the head (= together with the upper body). At the time, Geo Plenge had a big problem wit= h Dennis McFadden, who did not want to print his article on Out-of-the-Head L= ocality. I always suspect nor that Dennis suggested the wrong term HRTf, ins= tead of HTF, which would have been better. Now, the abbreviation HRTF but ha= s introduced worldwide, and especially Americans love handy shortcuts. More i= nteresting today is the question to what extent HRTFs, which presuppose LTI s= ystems, describe the situation with sufficient accuracy. For example, the ea= rdrum impedance is modulation-dependent. This is but u.a. controlled by the m= iddle ear muscle reflex, where even cognitive feedback plays a role. Further= more, head movements play a major role in current research, with the "HRTFs"= being time-varying !! So there is still much to do. I myself have the pure d= iscovers physical aspects of this topic and is currently writing. about feed= back in the auditory system. > - With kind regards, Jens Blauert=20 >=20 > 2018-02-20 11:43 GMT-08:00 Pierre Divenyi <pdivenyi@xxxxxxxx>: >> Dick, >> You can do the Google translate this time. It's an interesting mail, also= pointing out the impossibility of translating word-by-word between language= s. >> Best, >> Pierre >>=20 >>=20 >> -------- Forwarded Message -------- >> Subject: Re: Who coined the term "head-related transfer function"? >> Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2018 12:01:36 +0100 >> From: jens.blauert <jens.blauert@xxxxxxxx> >> To: Marc Schoenwiesner <marc.schoenwiesner@xxxxxxxx>, Jens Blauert <je= ns.blauert@xxxxxxxx> >>=20 >>=20 >> Hallo Herr Schoenwiesner -- >> Anbei die Mails, die bei mir eingegangen sind. Wie Dorte Hammershoei rich= tig bemerkt, sind die Au=C3=9Fenohr- =C3=9Cbertragungsfunktionen ein alter H= ut. Insbesondere Shaw hat hierzu viel beigetragen. Das Wort "kopfbezogen" is= t bei Stereophonie in Gegensatz zu "raumbezogen" seit langen =C3=BCblich un= d semantisch korrekt. Die =C3=9Cbertragungsfunktion zum Trommelfell aus ein= er ebenen Welle oder dem Nahfeld einer Quelle sind aber nicht kopfbezogen, s= ondern sind eben die =C3=9Cbertragunsfunktionen des Kopfes (zusammen mit de= m Oberk=C3=B6rper). Georg Plenge hatte seinerzeit ein gro=C3=9Fes Problem mi= t Dennis McFadden, der seinen Artikel zur Au=C3=9Ferhalb-des-Kopfes-Lokalis= iertheit nicht drucken wollte. Ich vermute immer=20 >> noch, dass Dennis den falschen Ausdruck HRTf angeregt hat, statt HTF, was= besser gewesen w=C3=A4re. Nun hat sich die Abk=C3=BCrzung HRTF= aber weltweit eingef=C3=BChrt, und insbesondere Amerikaner lieben griffige A= bk=C3=BCrzungen. Interessant ist heute eher die Frage, inwieweit HRTFs, die= ja LTI-Systeme vorausetzen, die Sachlage hinreichend genau beschreiben. Zum= Beispiel ist die Trommelfellimpedanz aussteuerungsabh=C3=A4ngig. Diese ist a= ber u.a. durch den Mittelohrmuskel-Reflex gesteuert, wo bei dabei sogar kogn= itives Feedback eine Rolle spielt. Des weiteren spielen in der aktuellen For= schung Kopfbewegungen ein gro=C3=9Fe Rolle, wobei die "HRTFs" dann zeitvaria= nt sind!! Es ist also noch viel zu tun. Ich selbst habe mich bez=C3=BCglich= der rein =20 >> physikalische Aspekte dieses Themas ausgeklinkt und schreibe z.Zt. =C3=BC= ber Feedback im auditorischen System.=20 >> -- Mit Gru=C3=9F, Ihr Jens Blauert = --> Anhang >>=20 >>> Am 19.02.2018 um 12:02 schrieb Marc Schoenwiesner: >>> Lieber Herr Blauert, >>>=20 >>> Bitte leiten Sie die Mail weiter, danke. Meine Suche nach dem Ursprung d= es Begriffs kommt von einem DFG-Antrag zum Thema an dem ich gerade sitze. >>>=20 >>> Viele Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, >>> Ihr Marc Sch=C3=B6nwiesner >>>=20 >>> PS.: Ich hatte Sie ca. 2001 kurz im Labor in Bochum besucht. Einer Ihrer= Studenten gab eine Demonstration der dynamischen Raumschallsimulation. Das w= issenschaftliche Interesse am Thema ist geblieben, daher der Antrag. >>>=20 >>> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= >>> Vice Dean Dept of Life Sciences >>> Professor of Neurobiology >>> Department of Biology >>> University of Leipzig >>> Talstrasse 33 __o >>> 04103 Leipzig _`\<,_ >>> +493419736723 (+) / (+) >>> & Department of Psychology >>> University of Montreal >>> Montreal, Quebec, Canada >>> www.schoenwiesnerlab.ca >>> www.uni-leipzig.de/~neuro/ >>> http://uni-leipzig.de/~acn/ >>> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= >>>=20 >>>> On 18. Feb 2018, at 12:23, jens.blauert <jens.blauert@xxxxxxxx> wrote: >>>>=20 >>>> Hallo Herr Sch=C3=B6nwiesner -- >>>> Ja, so ist es wohl. Ich habe mich sp=C3=A4ter mal mit Whiteman & Kistle= r dar=C3=BCber unterhalten,=20 >>>> dass HRTR eigentlich semantisch nicht zutrifft. Sie stimmten zu und wir= waren uns einig,=20 >>>> dass Head-transfer function (HTF) besser w=C3=A4re. Die beiden haben wo= hl auch versucht,=20 >>>> das den amerikanischen Kollegen zu vermitteln -- aber es war dann wohl s= chon zu sp=C3=A4t. Wer will=20 >>>> der Sache eigentlich jetzt nachgehen? Sind Sie das? Bei mir sind schon m= ehrere Mails zu dem=20 >>>> Thema eingegangen, die Sie m=C3=B6glicherweise nicht gesehen haben. Sol= l ich sie zu Ihnen forwarden? >>>> -- Gru=C3=9F, Ihr Jens Blauert >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> m 16.02.2018 um 12:11 schrieb Marc Schoenwiesner: >>>>> Lieber Herr Blauert, >>>>>=20 >>>>> Im JASA paper von 1972 ("On the differences between localization and l= ateralization") erw=C3=A4hnt Plenge keine HRTF, spricht aber viel =C3=BCber d= ummy-head transfer functions. K=C3=B6nnte es sein, dass mit HRTF urspr=C3=BC= nglich dummy-head transfer functions gemeint waren? >>>>>=20 >>>>> Hier das Plenge paper: https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/7e36/c3e7ee73d= 21efad5cde919fbafc21c4f442e.pdf?_ga=3D2.95831066.74002722.1518703463-1062093= 161.1518703463 >>>>>=20 >>>>> Viele Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe aus Leipzig, >>>>> Marc Sch=C3=B6nwiesner=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= >>>>> Vice Dean Dept of Life Sciences >>>>> Professor of Neurobiology >>>>> Department of Biology >>>>> University of Leipzig >>>>> Talstrasse 33 __o >>>>> 04103 Leipzig _`\<,_ >>>>> +493419736723 (+) / (+) >>>>> & Department of Psychology >>>>> University of Montreal >>>>> Montreal, Quebec, Canada >>>>> www.schoenwiesnerlab.ca >>>>> www.uni-leipzig.de/~neuro/ >>>>> http://uni-leipzig.de/~acn/ >>>>> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= >>>>>=20 >>>>>> On 16. Feb 2018, at 10:56, Jens Blauert <jens.blauert@xxxxxxxx> wrote: >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> Gru=C3=9F, Jens Blauert >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> -------- Weitergeleitete Nachricht -------- >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> Hallo Pierre -- >>>>>> Es war Georg Plenge (erlebt noch in Berlin) in einem JASA paper ca. 1= 972.=20 >>>>>> Wurde von Dennis Mc. Fadden reviewed. Ich hatte in meinem Buch "Au=C3= =9Fenohr-=C3=9Cbertragungsfunktion" >>>>>> (external-ear transfer function) verwendet, aber HRTF hat sich durchg= esetzt, obwohl falsch. >>>>>> Was hei=C3=9Ft denn "related"? Es IST die =C3=9Cbertragungsfunktion d= es Kopfes bzw. Ohres! =20 >>>>>> Das Plenge-Paper m=C3=BCsste ich mal raussuchen. Die JASA-B=C3=A4nde s= ind in Bochum. >>>>>> Es ging dabei um Im-Kopf-Lokalisertheit bei Kunstkopfsignalen -- oder= so =C3=A4hnlich. >>>>>> -- Gru=C3=9F, Jens >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> Am 16.02.2018 um 06:28 schrieb Pierre Divenyi: >>>>>>> Dear Jens, >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> You should know the answer to this question by Dick Lyon. >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> Beste Gruesse, >>>>>>> Dein Pierre >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> -------- Forwarded Message -------- >>>>>>> Subject: Who coined the term "head-related transfer function= "? >>>>>>> Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2018 15:46:44 +0100 >>>>>>> From: Marc Schoenwiesner <marcs@xxxxxxxx> >>>>>>> Reply-To: Marc Schoenwiesner <marcs@xxxxxxxx> >>>>>>> To: AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> Dear all, >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> does anyone know who coined the term "head-related transfer function= "? The first mention in a paper (as far as I have been able to determine) is= by Frederic Wightman and Doris Kistler in 1988, but they write: "...the fre= e-field-to-eardrum transfer function (sometimes called the head-related tran= sfer function, or HRTF)...", which sounds like there must be an earlier sour= ce. >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> Best, >>>>>>> Marc >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D >>>>>>> Vice Dean Dept of Life Sciences >>>>>>> Professor of Neurobiology >>>>>>> Department of Biology >>>>>>> University of Leipzig >>>>>>> Talstrasse 33 __o >>>>>>> 04103 Leipzig _`\<,_ >>>>>>> +493419736723 (+) / (+) >>>>>>> & Department of Psychology >>>>>>> University of Montreal >>>>>>> Montreal, Quebec, Canada >>>>>>> www.schoenwiesnerlab.ca >>>>>>> www.uni-leipzig.de/~neuro/ >>>>>>> http://uni-leipzig.de/~acn/ >>>>>>> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>> -- Jens BLAUERT, Dr.-Ing., Dr. Tech. h.c. Prof. (em.), Acoustics and E= E, Ruhr-Universit=C3=A4t Bochum Prof. (adj.), Architectural Acoustics, RPI, T= roy NY Postal address: Institute of Communication Acoustics, Ruhr-Universit=C3= =A4t Bochum, D-44780 Bochum, Germany E-mail: jens.blauert@xxxxxxxx Internet: h= ttp://www.rub.de/ika Phone: +49 234 322 2496 (secretary), ...3480 (direct) Fa= x: +49 234 321 4165 Home Office: Brehmestra=C3=9Fe 22, 13187 BERLIN Phone: += 49 30 5551 8259=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> --=20 >>>> Jens BLAUERT, Dr.-Ing., Dr. Tech. h.c. >>>> Prof. (em.), Acoustics and EE, Ruhr-Universit=C3=A4t Bochum >>>> Prof. (adj.), Architectural Acoustics, RPI, TROY NY >>>> Institute of Communication Acoustics, >>>> Ruhr-Universit=C3=A4t Bochum, D-44780 BOCHUM, Germany >>>> Internet: http://www.rub.de/ika >>>> Phone: +49 234 322 2496 (office) >>>> -- >>>> Home office: Brehmestrasse 22, D-13187 BERLIN, Germany >>>> Phone: +49 30 5551 8259, E-mail: jens.blauert@xxxxxxxx >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>=20 >>=20 >> --=20 >> Jens BLAUERT, Dr.-Ing., Dr. Tech. h.c. >> Prof. (em.), Acoustics and EE, Ruhr-Universit=C3=A4t Bochum >> Prof. (adj.), Architectural Acoustics, RPI, TROY NY >> Institute of Communication Acoustics, >> Ruhr-Universit=C3=A4t Bochum, D-44780 BOCHUM, Germany >> Internet: http://www.rub.de/ika >> Phone: +49 234 322 2496 (office) >> -- >> Home office: Brehmestrasse 22, D-13187 BERLIN, Germany >> Phone: +49 30 5551 8259, E-mail: jens.blauert@xxxxxxxx >>=20 >>=20 >=20 --Apple-Mail-79731500-EB5A-4DEA-AEBF-A3297313A6EA Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D= utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">Dick,<div><br></div><div>Reading your very t= houghtful analyis the real, I mean =E2=80=9Creal,=E2=80=9D question that com= es to mind is what, if any, the use of the many available HRTF databases is,= since (as you state) these functions are time varying and even subject to c= ognitvely induced changes. This being the case, the only reliable HRTFs are t= hose measured in KEMAR, a head the cognitive functions inside which should b= e negligible. </div><div><br></div><div>Pierre</div><div><br><div id=3D= "AppleMailSignature">Sent from my iPad</div><div><br>On Feb 25, 2018, at 19:= 16, Richard F. Lyon <<a href=3D"mailto:dicklyon@xxxxxxxx">dicklyon@xxxxxxxx= </a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"= >Hello Mr. Schoenwiesner -<br>Here are the mails that have come to me. As Do= rte Hammershoei rightly notes, the outer ear transmission functions are old h= at. In particular, Shaw has contributed much to this. The word "head-related= " has long been common and semantically correct in stereophony as opposed to= "spatially referenced". The transfer function to the eardrum from a plane w= ave or the near field of a source are not head related, but are just the tra= nsfer functions of the head (together with the upper body). At the time, Geo= Plenge had a big problem with Dennis McFadden, who did not want to print hi= s article on Out-of-the-Head Locality. I always suspect nor that Dennis sugg= ested the wrong term HRTf, instead of HTF, which would have been better. Now= , the abbreviation HRTF but has introduced worldwide, and especially America= ns love handy shortcuts. More interesting today is the question to what exte= nt HRTFs, which presuppose LTI systems, describe the situation with sufficie= nt accuracy. For example, the eardrum impedance is modulation-dependent. Thi= s is but u.a. controlled by the middle ear muscle reflex, where even cogniti= ve feedback plays a role. Furthermore, head movements play a major role in c= urrent research, with the "HRTFs" being time-varying !! So there is still mu= ch to do. I myself have the pure discovers physical aspects of this topic an= d is currently writing. about feedback in the auditory system.<br>- With kin= d regards, Jens Blauert <br></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D= "gmail_quote">2018-02-20 11:43 GMT-08:00 Pierre Divenyi <span dir=3D"ltr">&l= t;<a href=3D"mailto:pdivenyi@xxxxxxxx" target=3D"_blank">pdivenyi@xxxxxxxx= ccrma.stanford.edu</a>></span>:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" styl= e=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> =20 =20 =20 <div text=3D"#000000" bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF"> <font face=3D"Calibri">Dick,<br> You can do the Google translate this time. It's an interesting mail, also pointing out the impossibility of translating word-by-word between languages.<br> Best,<br> Pierre<br> </font> <div class=3D"m_-3965985545129144109moz-forward-container"><br> <br> -------- Forwarded Message -------- <table class=3D"m_-3965985545129144109moz-email-headers-table" cellspa= cing=3D"0" cellpadding=3D"0" border=3D"0"> <tbody> <tr> <th valign=3D"BASELINE" nowrap=3D"" align=3D"RIGHT">Subject: </th> <td>Re: Who coined the term "head-related transfer function"?</td> </tr> <tr> <th valign=3D"BASELINE" nowrap=3D"" align=3D"RIGHT">Date: </th> <td>Tue, 20 Feb 2018 12:01:36 +0100</td> </tr> <tr> <th valign=3D"BASELINE" nowrap=3D"" align=3D"RIGHT">From: </th> <td>jens.blauert <a class=3D"m_-3965985545129144109moz-txt-link-= rfc2396E" href=3D"mailto:jens.blauert@xxxxxxxx" target=3D"_blank"><jens.bla= uert@xxxxxxxx></a></td> </tr> <tr> <th valign=3D"BASELINE" nowrap=3D"" align=3D"RIGHT">To: </th> <td>Marc Schoenwiesner <a class=3D"m_-3965985545129144109moz-txt= -link-rfc2396E" href=3D"mailto:marc.schoenwiesner@xxxxxxxx" target=3D"_blan= k"><marc.schoenwiesner@xxxxxxxx></a><wbr>, Jens Blauert <a class=3D"m_-3965985545129144109moz-txt-link-rf= c2396E" href=3D"mailto:jens.blauert@xxxxxxxx" target=3D"_blank"><jens.blaue= rt@xxxxxxxx></a></td> </tr> </tbody> </table> <br> <br> =20 <div class=3D"m_-3965985545129144109moz-cite-prefix"><br> <b><tt>Hallo Herr Schoenwiesner --</tt></b><b><tt><br> </tt></b><b><tt>Anbei die Mails, die bei mir eingegangen sind. Wie Dorte Hammershoei richtig bemerkt, sind die Au=C3=9Fenohr- =C3=9Cbertragungsfunktionen ein alter Hut. Insbesondere Shaw hat= hierzu viel beigetragen. Das Wort "kopfbezogen" ist bei Stereophonie in Gegensatz zu "raumbezogen"</tt></b><b><tt> </tt>= </b><b><tt>seit langen =C3=BCblich und semantisch korrekt. Die =C3=9Cbertragungsfunktion zum Trommelfell aus einer ebenen= Welle oder dem Nahfeld einer Quelle sind aber nicht kopfbezogen,= sondern sind eben die =C3=9Cbertragunsfunktionen des Kopfe= s (zusammen mit dem Oberk=C3=B6rper). Georg Plenge hatte seinerzei= t ein gro=C3=9Fes Problem mit Dennis McFadden, der seinen Ar= tikel zur Au=C3=9Ferhalb-des-Kopfes-<wbr>Lokalisiertheit nicht drucken= wollte. Ich vermute immer <br> noch, dass Dennis den falschen Ausdruck HRTf angeregt hat, statt HTF, was besser gewesen w=C3=A4re. Nun hat sich die Abk=C3=BCrzung HRTF aber weltweit eingef=C3=BChrt, und ins= besondere Amerikaner lieben griffige Abk=C3=BCrzungen. </tt></b><b><tt>Int= eressant ist heute eher die Frage, inwieweit HRTFs, die ja LTI-Systeme vorausetzen, die Sachlage hinreichend genau beschreiben. Zum Beispiel ist die Trommelfellimpedanz aussteuerungsabh=C3=A4ngig. Diese ist aber u.a. durch den Mittelohrmuskel-Reflex gesteuert, wo bei dabei sogar kognitives Feedback eine Rolle spielt. Des weiteren spielen in der aktuellen Forschung Kopfbewegungen ein gro=C3=9Fe Rolle, wobei die "HRTFs" dann zeitvariant sind!! Es ist also noch viel zu tun. Ich selbst habe mich bez=C3=BCglich der rein&= nbsp; <br> physikalische Aspekte dieses Themas ausgeklinkt und schreibe z.Zt. =C3=BCber Feedback im auditorischen System.</tt></b><b><tt= > <br> </tt></b><b><tt>-- Mit Gru=C3=9F, Ihr Jens Blauert &nbs= p; &= nbsp; &= nbsp; &nbs= p; --> Anhang</tt></b><span class=3D""><b><tt><br> </tt></b><br> Am 19.02.2018 um 12:02 schrieb Marc Schoenwiesner:<br> </span></div> <blockquote type=3D"cite"> =20 <div>Lieber Herr Blauert, <div><br> </div> <div>Bitte leiten Sie die Mail weiter, danke. Meine Suche nach dem Ursprung des Begriffs kommt von einem DFG-Antrag zum Thema an dem ich gerade sitze.</div> <div><br> </div> <div>Viele Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe,</div> <div>Ihr Marc Sch=C3=B6nwiesner</div> <div><br> </div> <div>PS.: Ich hatte Sie ca. 2001 kurz im Labor in Bochum besucht. Einer Ihrer Studenten gab eine Demonstration der dynamischen Raumschallsimulation. Das wissenschaftliche Interesse am Thema ist geblieben, daher der Antrag.</div> <div><span class=3D""><br> <div> <div> <div>=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D<br> Vice Dean Dept of Life Sciences</div> <div>Professor of Neurobiology<br> Department of Biology<br> University of Leipzig<br> Talstrasse 33 __= o<br> 04103 Leipzig _`\<,_<br> <a href=3D"tel:+49%20341%209736723" value=3D"+493419736723= " target=3D"_blank">+493419736723</a> (+) / (+)<br> & Department of Psychology<br> University of Montreal<br> Montreal, Quebec, Canada<br> <a href=3D"http://www.schoenwiesnerlab.ca/" target=3D"_bla= nk">www.schoenwiesnerlab.ca</a><br> <a href=3D"http://www.uni-leipzig.de/%7Eneuro/" target=3D"= _blank">www.uni-leipzig.de/~neuro/</a><br> <a class=3D"m_-3965985545129144109moz-txt-link-freetext" h= ref=3D"http://uni-leipzig.de/%7Eacn/" target=3D"_blank">http://uni-leipzig.d= e/~acn/</a><br> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D</div> </div> </div> </span><div><br> <blockquote type=3D"cite"><span class=3D""> <div>On 18. Feb 2018, at 12:23, jens.blauert <<a href=3D"mailto:jens.blauert@xxxxxxxx" target=3D"_blan= k">jens.blauert@xxxxxxxx</a>> wrote:</div> <br class=3D"m_-3965985545129144109Apple-interchange-newline= "> </span><div> <div><span class=3D""> <div class=3D"m_-3965985545129144109moz-cite-prefix"><tt= ><b>Hallo Herr Sch=C3=B6nwiesner --</b></tt><tt><b><br> </b></tt><tt><b>Ja, so ist es wohl. Ich habe mich sp=C3=A4ter mal mit Whiteman & Kistler dar=C3=BCber unterhalten, </b></tt><= tt><b><br> </b></tt><tt><b>dass HRTR eigentlich semantisch nicht zutrifft. Sie stimmten zu und wir waren uns einig, <br> dass Head-transfer function (HTF) </b></tt><tt><b>= besser w=C3=A4re. Die beiden haben wohl auch versucht, <br> das den amerikanischen Kollegen zu vermitteln -- aber es war </b></tt><tt><b>dann wohl schon zu s= p=C3=A4t.</b></tt><tt><b> </b></tt><tt><b>Wer will <br> der Sache eigentlich jetzt nachgehen? Sind Sie das? Bei mir sind schon mehrere Mails zu dem <br> Thema eingegangen, die Sie m=C3=B6glicherweise nicht gesehen haben. Soll ich sie zu Ihnen forwarden?</b></tt><tt><b><br> </b></tt><tt><b>-- Gru=C3=9F, Ihr Jens Blauert</b></tt><tt><b><br> </b></tt><tt><b><br> </b></tt><br> m 16.02.2018 um 12:11 schrieb Marc Schoenwiesner:<br> </div> </span><blockquote type=3D"cite"> <div><span class=3D"">Lieber Herr Blauert, <div><br> </div> <div>Im JASA paper von 1972 ("On the differences between localization and lateralization") erw=C3=A4hnt Plenge keine HRTF, spricht aber viel =C3=BCber dummy-head transfer functions. K=C3=B6nnte es sein, dass mit HRTF urspr=C3=BCnglich dummy-head transfer functions gemeint waren?</div> <div><br> </div> <div>Hier das Plenge paper: <a href=3D"https://= pdfs.semanticscholar.org/7e36/c3e7ee73d21efad5cde919fbafc21c4f442e.pdf?_ga=3D= 2.95831066.74002722.1518703463-1062093161.1518703463" target=3D"_blank">http= s://pdfs.<wbr>semanticscholar.org/7e36/<wbr>c3e7ee73d21efad5cde919fbafc21c<w= br>4f442e.pdf?_ga=3D2.95831066.<wbr>74002722.1518703463-<wbr>1062093161.1518= 703463</a></div> <div><br> </div> <div>Viele Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe aus Leipzig,</div> <div>Marc Sch=C3=B6nwiesner </div> <div><br> </div> </span><div><span class=3D""> <div> <div> <div>=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D<br> Vice Dean Dept of Life Sciences</div> <div>Professor of Neurobiology<br>= Department of Biology<br> University of Leipzig<br> Talstrasse 33 &n= bsp; __o<br> 04103 Leipzig _`= \<,_<br> <a href=3D"tel:+49%20341%209736723" value=3D= "+493419736723" target=3D"_blank">+493419736723</a> (+) / (+)<b= r> & Department of Psychology<br> University of Montreal<br> Montreal, Quebec, Canada<br> <a href=3D"http://www.schoenwiesnerlab.ca/" t= arget=3D"_blank">www.schoenwiesnerlab.ca</a><br> <a href=3D"http://www.uni-leipzig.de/%7Eneur= o/" target=3D"_blank">www.uni-leipzig.de/~neuro/</a><br> <a class=3D"m_-3965985545129144109moz-txt-li= nk-freetext" href=3D"http://uni-leipzig.de/%7Eacn/" target=3D"_blank">http:/= /uni-leipzig.de/~acn/</a><br> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D</div> </div> </div> </span><div><br> <blockquote type=3D"cite"><span class=3D""> <div>On 16. Feb 2018, at 10:56, Jens Blauert <<a href=3D"mailto:jens.blau= ert@xxxxxxxx" target=3D"_blank">jens.blauert@xxxxxxxx</a>> wrote:</div> <br class=3D"m_-3965985545129144109Apple-inter= change-newline"> </span><div> <div> Gru=C3=9F, Jens Blauert<br> <div class=3D"m_-3965985545129144109moz-fo= rward-container"><br> <br> -------- Weitergeleitete Nachricht --------<br> <br> <div class=3D"m_-3965985545129144109moz-= cite-prefix"><span class=3D""><b><tt>Hallo Pierre --</tt></b><b><tt><br> </tt></b><b><tt>Es war Georg Plenge (erlebt noch in Berlin) in einem JASA paper ca. 1972. </tt></= b><b><tt><br> </tt></b><b><tt>Wurde von Dennis Mc.= Fadden reviewed. Ich hatte in meinem Buch "Au=C3=9Fenohr-<wbr>=C3=9Cbertragu= ngsfunktion"</tt></b><b><tt><br> </tt></b><b><tt>(external-ear transfer function) verwendet, aber HRTF hat sich durchgesetzt, obwohl falsch.</tt><= /b><b><tt><br> </tt></b><b><tt>Was hei=C3=9Ft denn "related"? Es<u> IST</u></tt></b><= b><tt> die =C3=9Cbertragungsfunktion des Kopfes bzw. Ohres! <br> Das Plenge-Paper m=C3=BCsste</tt><= /b><b><tt> ich mal raussuchen. Die JASA-B=C3=A4nde sind in Bochum.<br> Es ging dabei um Im-Kopf-Lokalisertheit bei Kunstkopfsignalen -- oder so =C3=A4hnlich.</tt></b><b><tt><br> </tt></b><b><tt>-- Gru=C3=9F, Jens</= tt></b><b><tt><br> </tt></b><br> <br></span><span class=3D""> Am 16.02.2018 um 06:28 schrieb Pierre Divenyi:<br> </span></div> <blockquote type=3D"cite"><span class=3D= ""> Dear Jens,<br> <br> You should know the answer to this question by Dick Lyon.<br> <br> Beste Gruesse,<br> Dein Pierre<br> </span><div class=3D"m_-39659855451291= 44109moz-forward-container"><span class=3D""><br> <br> -------- Forwarded Message -------- <table class=3D"m_-39659855451291441= 09moz-email-headers-table"> <tbody> <tr> <th nowrap=3D"">Subject: </th> <td>Who coined the term "head-related transfer function"?</td> </tr> <tr> <th nowrap=3D"">Date: </th> <td>Thu, 15 Feb 2018 15:46:44 +0100</td> </tr> <tr> <th nowrap=3D"">From: </th> <td>Marc Schoenwiesner <a class=3D"m_= -3965985545129144109moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href=3D"mailto:marcs@xxxxxxxx= IG.DE" target=3D"_blank"><marcs@xxxxxxxx></a></td> </tr> <tr> <th nowrap=3D"">Reply-To: </th> <td>Marc Schoenwiesner <a class=3D"m_= -3965985545129144109moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href=3D"mailto:marcs@xxxxxxxx= IG.DE" target=3D"_blank"><marcs@xxxxxxxx></a></td> </tr> <tr> <th nowrap=3D"">To: </th> <td><a class=3D"m_-39659855451= 29144109moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href=3D"mailto:AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx" t= arget=3D"_blank">AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx</a></td> </tr> </tbody> </table> <br> <br> </span><span class=3D""><span>Dear a= ll,</span> <div><br> </div> <div>does anyone know who coined the term "head-related transfer function"? The first mention in a paper (as far as I have been able to determine) is by Frederic Wightman and Doris Kistler in 1988, but they write: "...the free-field-to-eardrum transfer function (sometimes called the head-related transfer function, or HRTF)...", which sounds like there must be an earlier source.</div> <div><br> </div> <div>Best,</div> <div>Marc</div> <div><br> </div> <div> <div> <div>=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D<br> Vice Dean Dept of Life Sciences</div> <div>Professor of Neurobiology<br> Department of Biology<br> University of Leipzig<br> Talstrasse 33 &n= bsp; __o<br> 04103 Leipzig &n= bsp; _`\<,_<br> <a href=3D"tel:+49%20341%20973= 6723" value=3D"+493419736723" target=3D"_blank">+493419736723</a> &nb= sp;(+) / (+)<br> & Department of Psychology<br> University of Mont= real<br> Montreal, Quebec, Canada<br> <a href=3D"http://www.schoenwi= esnerlab.ca/" target=3D"_blank">www.schoenwiesnerlab.ca</a><br> <a class=3D"m_-396598554512914= 4109moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href=3D"http://www.uni-leipzig.de/%7Eneuro/" t= arget=3D"_blank">www.uni-leipzig.de/~neuro/</a><br> <a class=3D"m_-396598554512914= 4109moz-txt-link-freetext" href=3D"http://uni-leipzig.de/%7Eacn/" target=3D"= _blank">http://uni-leipzig.de/~acn/</a><br> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D</div> </div> </div> <br> </span></div> </blockquote><span class=3D""> -- Jens BLAUERT, Dr.-Ing., Dr. Tech. h.c. Prof. (em.), Acoustics and EE, Ruhr-Universit=C3=A4t Bochum Prof. (adj.), Architectural Acoustics, RPI, Troy NY Postal address: Institute of Communication Acoustics, Ruhr-Universit=C3=A4t Bochum,= D-44780 Bochum, Germany E-mail: <a class= =3D"m_-3965985545129144109moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href=3D"mailto:jens.blau= ert@xxxxxxxx" target=3D"_blank">jens.blauert@xxxxxxxx</a> Internet: <a class=3D"m_-396598554512914= 4109moz-txt-link-freetext" href=3D"http://www.rub.de/ika" target=3D"_blank">= http://www.rub.de/ika</a> Phone: <a href=3D"tel:+49%20234%20322249= 6" value=3D"+492343222496" target=3D"_blank">+49 234 322 2496</a> (secretary= ), ...3480 (direct) Fax: <a href=3D"tel:+49= %20234%20321" value=3D"+49234321" target=3D"_blank">+49 234 321</a> 4165 Home Office: Brehmestra=C3=9Fe 22, 13187 BERLIN Phone: <a href=3D"tel:+49%2= 030%2055518259" value=3D"+493055518259" target=3D"_blank">+49 30 5551 8259</= a> <br> </span></div> <br> </div> </div> </blockquote> </div> <br> </div> </div> </blockquote><span class=3D""> <p><br> </p> <pre class=3D"m_-3965985545129144109moz-signature" cols=3D= "72">--=20 Jens BLAUERT, Dr.-Ing., Dr. Tech. h.c. Prof. (em.), Acoustics and EE, Ruhr-Universit=C3=A4t Bochum Prof. (adj.), Architectural Acoustics, RPI, TROY NY Institute of Communication Acoustics, Ruhr-Universit=C3=A4t Bochum, D-44780 BOCHUM, Germany Internet: <a class=3D"m_-3965985545129144109moz-txt-link-freetext" href=3D"h= ttp://www.rub.de/ika" target=3D"_blank">http://www.rub.de/ika</a> Phone: <a href=3D"tel:+49%20234%203222496" value=3D"+492343222496" target=3D= "_blank">+49 234 322 2496</a> (office) -- Home office: Brehmestrasse 22, D-13187 BERLIN, Germany Phone: <a href=3D"tel:+49%2030%2055518259" value=3D"+493055518259" target=3D= "_blank">+49 30 5551 8259</a>, E-mail: <a class=3D"m_-3965985545129144109moz= -txt-link-abbreviated" href=3D"mailto:jens.blauert@xxxxxxxx" target=3D"_blank"= >jens.blauert@xxxxxxxx</a> </pre> </span></div> </div> </blockquote> </div> <br> </div> </div> </blockquote><span class=3D""> <p><br> </p> <pre class=3D"m_-3965985545129144109moz-signature" cols=3D"72">--=20 Jens BLAUERT, Dr.-Ing., Dr. Tech. h.c. Prof. (em.), Acoustics and EE, Ruhr-Universit=C3=A4t Bochum Prof. (adj.), Architectural Acoustics, RPI, TROY NY Institute of Communication Acoustics, Ruhr-Universit=C3=A4t Bochum, D-44780 BOCHUM, Germany Internet: <a class=3D"m_-3965985545129144109moz-txt-link-freetext" href=3D"h= ttp://www.rub.de/ika" target=3D"_blank">http://www.rub.de/ika</a> Phone: <a href=3D"tel:+49%20234%203222496" value=3D"+492343222496" target=3D= "_blank">+49 234 322 2496</a> (office) -- Home office: Brehmestrasse 22, D-13187 BERLIN, Germany Phone: <a href=3D"tel:+49%2030%2055518259" value=3D"+493055518259" target=3D= "_blank">+49 30 5551 8259</a>, E-mail: <a class=3D"m_-3965985545129144109moz= -txt-link-abbreviated" href=3D"mailto:jens.blauert@xxxxxxxx" target=3D"_blank"= >jens.blauert@xxxxxxxx</a> </pre> </span></div> </div> </blockquote></div><br></div> </div></blockquote></div></body></html>= --Apple-Mail-79731500-EB5A-4DEA-AEBF-A3297313A6EA--