Re: [AUDITORY] Auditory Model Framework (and request for Klemm 1920 paper) ("Richard F. Lyon" )

Subject: Re: [AUDITORY] Auditory Model Framework (and request for Klemm 1920 paper) From: "Richard F. Lyon" <dicklyon@xxxxxxxx> Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2017 22:51:02 -0800 List-Archive:<http://lists.mcgill.ca/scripts/wa.exe?LIST=AUDITORY> --f403045c2710d7bf61055fba7df3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Maybe you found out about Otto Klemm from my book, which says "Otto Klemm (1920) published much more detailed experimental results, also in 1920, and found a time-difference threshold of about 20 microseconds in one subject, and even less than 10 microseconds in another!" Or maybe not, since I didn't abbreviate Archiv f=C3=BCr die gesamte Psycho= logie and had the longer title: Klemm, O. (1920). =E2=80=9CUntersuchungen =C3=BCber die Lokalisation von Sc= hallreizen. 4. Mitteilung: =C3=9Cber den Einflu=C3=9F des binauralen Zeitunterschiedes = auf die Lokalisation,=E2=80=9D Archiv f=C3=BCr die gesamte Psychologie 40, 117=E2= =80=93146. In general, I can provide copies of references on request. I have the copy that Stefan Strahl <stefan.strahl@xxxxxxxx> found in the Innsbruck Library across the street from MED-EL and scanned for me when I asked on this list in March 2011. I'll send it separately. Note that the lowercase Greek sigma in the paper is an old abbreviation for milliseconds. He says (rough translation) before table 3: "Without observer A, I would generally limit the sensitivity at 1/10 ms to 1/50 ms. But the results of A force to the Indication that they show up to 1/100 ms and even smaller values." But let me know if I've misunderstood; I don't read German very well. I found where we discussed it at the time, in the list archives: http://www.auditory.org/mhonarc/2011/msg00280.html I'm embarrassed that I had all this in 2011 and took 6 more years to get my book out. Dick On Wed, Dec 6, 2017 at 6:59 AM, Mathias Dietz <mdietz@xxxxxxxx> wrote: > Dear List, > > At ARO 2016 about 50 auditory model developers and model users met for a > discussion on how to improve applicability and comparability of auditory > models. A team of 8 modelers from 7 labs moved on to develop an interface > connecting models with experiments and a software frameworks for this > purpose =E2=80=93 in Matlab/Octave and in Python. In brief it operates th= rough a > file I/O. Experiment sends *.wav file to model and the model sends a > response file to the experiment which has the same format as you would > obtain from a real experiment (e.g. a spike train or the selection of a > target interval). The framework is compatible with existing toolboxes suc= h > as AFC or the Auditory Model Toolbox. > > Throughout the process we had a certain focus on binaural hearing but the > final product should be equally useful for other models and experiments. > > We now have a first version online and hope someone finds it useful: > > https://github.com/model-initiative > > It is ideal if you want to compare several models on the same experiment > or if you have models and experiments in different programming languages. > Its particularly useful for modeling AFC type experiments. > > More information can be found in the readme.pdf on github and in the > Hearing Research paper we just published on the subject. Again there is a > binaural focus especially Sec. 2 (review on binaural models) but the > framework described in Sec. 6 is fairly universal: > > http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0378595517302605 > > if you do not have access, you find a pre-print here: > > http://neural-reckoning.org/pub_framework_comparing_binaural_models.html > > If you want to give the framework a try I recommend the quick_example.txt > instruction. > > We welcome feedback, beta testers, and anyone who wants to use or improve > the framework. > > > > On a different topic I am looking for a historic paper: > > Klemm, O. (1920). =C3=9Cber den Einfluss des binauralen Zeitunterschiedes= auf > die Lokalisation. Arch. ges. Psychol., 1920, 40, 117-146 > > > > Best, > > Mathias > > > > ************************************************ > > Mathias Dietz > > Canada Research Chair in Binaural Hearing > > Associate Professor > > National Centre for Audiology > > School of Communication Sciences & Disorders > > Faculty of Health Sciences > > 1201 Western Road > <https://maps.google.com/?q=3D1201+Western+Road&entry=3Dgmail&source=3Dg>= , > Elborn College Room 2262F > Western University > London, Ontario CANADA N6G 1H1 > T 519-661-2111 Ext 88258 <(519)%20661-2111> > e-mail mdietz@xxxxxxxx > *http://www.uwo.ca/fhs/csd/people/faculty/dietz_m.html > <http://www.uwo.ca/fhs/csd/people/faculty/dietz_m.html>* > > > --f403045c2710d7bf61055fba7df3 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div><div>Maybe you found out about Otto Klemm from m= y book, which says "Otto Klemm (1920) published much more detailed exp= erimental results, also in 1920, and found a time-difference threshold o= f about 20 microseconds in one subject, and even less than 10 microseconds = in another!"</div><div> </div><div>Or=C2=A0 maybe not, since I didn= 't abbreviate Archiv f=C3=BCr die gesamte Psychologie and had the longe= r title:</div><div>Klemm, O. (1920). =E2=80=9CUntersuchungen =C3=BCber die = Lokalisation von Schallreizen. 4. Mitteilung: =C3=9Cber den Einflu=C3=9F de= s binauralen Zeitunterschiedes auf die Lokalisation,=E2=80=9D Archiv f=C3= =BCr die gesamte Psychologie 40, 117=E2=80=93146. </div><div> </div>I= n general, I can provide copies of references on request. </div>I ha= ve the copy that Stefan Strahl <<a href=3D"mailto:stefan.strahl@xxxxxxxx= nburg.de" target=3D"_blank">stefan.strahl@xxxxxxxxde</a>>=C2= =A0 found in the Innsbruck Library across the street from MED-EL and scanne= d for me when I asked on this list in March 2011.=C2=A0 I'll send it se= parately. </div><div> </div><div>Note that the lowercase Greek sigma = in the paper is an old abbreviation for milliseconds.=C2=A0 He says (rough = translation) before table 3: "Without observer A, I would generally li= mit the sensitivity at 1/10 ms to 1/50 ms. But the results of A force to th= e Indication that they show up to 1/100 ms and even smaller values."= =C2=A0 But let me know if I've misunderstood; I don't read German v= ery well.</div><div> </div><div>I found where we discussed it at the tim= e, in the list archives:=C2=A0 <a href=3D"http://www.auditory.org/mhonarc/2= 011/msg00280.html">http://www.auditory.org/mhonarc/2011/msg00280.html</a></= div><div>I'm embarrassed that I had all this in 2011 and took 6 more ye= ars to get my book out. </div><div> </div>Dick <div><div> <= br></div></div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"> <div class=3D"gmail_quo= te">On Wed, Dec 6, 2017 at 6:59 AM, Mathias Dietz <<a = href=3D"mailto:mdietz@xxxxxxxx" target=3D"_blank">mdietz@xxxxxxxx</a>></span= > wrote: <blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;bo= rder-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> <div link=3D"#0563C1" vlink=3D"#954F72" lang=3D"EN-US"> <div class=3D"m_-3064341464489649786WordSection1"> Dear List, At ARO 2016 about 50 auditory model developers and m= odel users met for a discussion on how to improve applicability and compara= bility of auditory models. A team of 8 modelers from 7 labs moved on to dev= elop an interface connecting models with experiments and a software frameworks for this purpose =E2=80=93 in M= atlab/Octave and in Python. In brief it operates through a file I/O. Experi= ment sends *.wav file to model and the model sends a response file to the e= xperiment which has the same format as you would obtain from a real experiment (e.g. a spike train or the selection o= f a target interval). The framework is compatible with existing toolboxes s= uch as AFC or the Auditory Model Toolbox. Throughout the process we had a certain focus on bin= aural hearing but the final product should be equally useful for other mode= ls and experiments. We now have a first version online and hope someone = finds it useful: <a href=3D"https://github.com/model-initiative" targ= et=3D"_blank">https://github.com/model-initiative</a></p= > It is ideal if you want to compare several models on= the same experiment or if you have models and experiments in different pro= gramming languages. Its particularly useful for modeling AFC type experimen= ts. More information can be found in the readme.pdf on g= ithub and in the Hearing Research paper we just published on the subject. A= gain there is a binaural focus especially Sec. 2 (review on binaural models= ) but the framework described in Sec. 6 is fairly universal: <a href=3D"http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/arti= cle/pii/S0378595517302605" target=3D"_blank">http://www.sciencedirect.com/<= wbr>science/article/pii/S0378595517302605</a> if you do not have access, you find a pre-print here= : <a href=3D"http://neural-reckoning.org/pub_framework= _comparing_binaural_models.html" target=3D"_blank">http://neural-reckoning.= org/pub_framework_comparing_binaural_models.html</a></u= > If you want to give the framework a try I recommend = the quick_example.txt instruction. We welcome feedback, beta testers, and anyone who wa= nts to use or improve the framework. =C2=A0 On a different topic I am looking for a historic pap= er: Klemm, O. (1920). =C3=9Cber den Ei= nfluss des binauralen Zeitunterschiedes auf die Lokalisation. Arch. ges. Psychol., 1920, 40, 117-146 =C2=A0 Best, Mathias =C2=A0 **************************************= ********** Mathias Dietz Canada Research Chair in Binaural Hearing</= span> Associate Professor</p= > National Centre for Audiology= School of Communication Sciences & Diso= rders Faculty of Health Sciences= <a href=3D"https://maps.google.com/?q=3D120= 1+Western+Road&entry=3Dgmail&source=3Dg">1201 Western Road</a>, Elb= orn College Room 2262F Western University London, Ontario CANADA N6G 1H1 T <a href=3D"tel:(519)%20661-2111" value=3D"+15196612111" target=3D"_blank"= >519-661-2111 Ext 88258</a> e-mail=C2=A0<a href=3D"mailto:mdietz@xxxxxxxx" target=3D"_blank">mdietz@xxxxxxxx= a</a> <a href=3D"http://www.uwo.ca/fhs/csd/peopl= e/faculty/dietz_m.html" target=3D"_blank">http://www.uwo.ca/fhs/csd/pe= ople/faculty/dietz_m.html</a> =C2=A0 </div> </div> </blockquote></div> </div> --f403045c2710d7bf61055fba7df3--

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