Subject: Re: [AUDITORY] Hearing loss criteria for older adults From: Elaine Saunders <elaine.saunders@xxxxxxxx> Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2017 12:36:23 +1100 List-Archive:<http://lists.mcgill.ca/scripts/wa.exe?LIST=AUDITORY>--001a114e620470f93c055f79c147 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Alternatively, use something like the Blamey Saunders SPT - ie speech perception Elaine On 2 December 2017 at 00:32, Christine Rankovic <rankovic@xxxxxxxx> wrote: > Hi Arley: > > > > This is an excellent question. I don=E2=80=99t know of any printed guide= lines. > > > > Not all older listeners have hearing loss, therefore you could include > only those older listeners with normal hearing. Or, you can have TWO > groups of older listeners: one with normal hearing and one with mild > hearing loss. In your study, I would recommend the latter due to your > anticipation of audiogram effects. > > > > Also, beware that anyone that has thresholds at or just over 25 dB HL at > more than a few audiometric test frequencies actually has significantly > reduced hearing ability, even though that is a standard audiometric > cutoff. Audiologists realize this, but non-audiologists usually don=E2= =80=99t. > Try listening yourself with those little foam plugs in your ears. With > those plugs, you probably still have hearing better than 25 dB at all > frequencies but maybe you have 15-20 dB of loss at low frequencies. You= =E2=80=99ll > find that it is very difficult to function with them in place. A better > cutoff rule for your experiment might be something like: All > normal-hearing listeners had audiometric thresholds within the normal ran= ge > with the restriction that, for any individual listener, thresholds at no > more than two test frequencies were permitted to exceed 20 dB HL. > > > > I hope this is helpful. > > > > Christine Rankovic > > > > > > *From:* AUDITORY - Research in Auditory Perception [mailto: > AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx *On Behalf Of *Arley Schenker > *Sent:* Thursday, November 30, 2017 2:26 PM > *To:* AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx > *Subject:* Hearing loss criteria for older adults > > > > Dear Auditory List, > > > > I am a master=E2=80=99s student working under Andrea Halpern at Bucknell > University. We are running some auditory imagery studies with older (60-8= 5 > years) adults, and we are using audiometry to screen their hearing. Some = of > the environmental sounds we are asking participants to imagine involve > somewhat high frequencies. > > > > I understand that pure tone averages greater than 25 dB HL are considered > to characterize hearing loss; however, as some hearing loss is expected > with aging, I am wondering whether anyone can point me to some best > practices or suggestions regarding the inclusion of older adults with > slight hearing loss. It's not a psychophysical study, but the participant= s > do need to be able to hear and imagine the sounds reasonably accurately. > > > > Thanks in advance for your help, > > Arley Schenker > > > --=20 Dr Elaine Saunders BSc MSc(ClinAudiol) PhD GAICD GradDipMgt(Tech) Adjunct Professor, Faculty of Science, Engineering & Technology, Swinburne University Managing Director T +61 3 9008 6371 / 1300 443 279 M +61 (0) 400 670 421 364 Albert Street, East Melbourne Victoria 3002, Australia www.blameysaunders.com.au Skype: escalls32 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DzaQBXPk7y4A --001a114e620470f93c055f79c147 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div dir=3D"ltr">Alternatively, use something like the Blamey Saunders SPT = - ie speech perception=C2=A0<div>Elaine</div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extr= a"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On 2 December 2017 at 00:32, Christine Ra= nkovic <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:rankovic@xxxxxxxx" t= arget=3D"_blank">rankovic@xxxxxxxx</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockq= uote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc = solid;padding-left:1ex"><div lang=3D"EN-US" link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"purple">= <div class=3D"m_7035541550951029690WordSection1"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><sp= an style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-ser= if";color:#1f497d">Hi Arley:<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNo= rmal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","= ;sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><p class=3D= "MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri"= ,"sans-serif";color:#1f497d">This is an excellent question.=C2=A0= I don=E2=80=99t know of any printed guidelines.=C2=A0 <u></u><u></u></span= ></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&qu= ot;Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u>= </span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-fami= ly:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Not all older = listeners have hearing loss, therefore you could include only those older l= isteners with normal hearing.=C2=A0 Or, you can have TWO groups of older li= steners:=C2=A0 one with normal hearing and one with mild hearing loss.=C2= =A0 In your study, I would recommend the latter due to your anticipation of= audiogram effects.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span st= yle=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif&qu= ot;;color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><s= pan style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-se= rif";color:#1f497d">Also, beware that anyone that has thresholds at or= just over 25 dB HL at more than a few audiometric test frequencies actuall= y has significantly reduced hearing ability, even though that is a standard= audiometric cutoff.=C2=A0 Audiologists realize this, but non-audiologists = usually don=E2=80=99t.=C2=A0 Try listening yourself with those little foam = plugs in your ears.=C2=A0 With those plugs, you probably still have hearing= better than 25 dB at all frequencies but maybe you have 15-20 dB of loss a= t low frequencies.=C2=A0 You=E2=80=99ll find that it is very difficult to f= unction with them in place.=C2=A0 A better cutoff rule for your experiment = might be something like:=C2=A0 All normal-hearing listeners had audiometric= thresholds within the normal range with the restriction that, for any indi= vidual listener, thresholds at no more than two test frequencies were permi= tted to exceed 20 dB HL. <u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><s= pan style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-se= rif";color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNorm= al"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","s= ans-serif";color:#1f497d">I hope this is helpful.<u></u><u></u></span>= </p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quo= t;Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u><= /span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-famil= y:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Christine Ranko= vic<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size= :11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497= d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"fon= t-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:= #1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><div><div style=3D"border:none;bord= er-top:solid #b5c4df 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class=3D"MsoNormal= "><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","s= ans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-famil= y:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> AUDITORY - Research in Audito= ry Perception [mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx" target=3D= "_blank">AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx<wbr>CA</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Arley Schen= ker<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, November 30, 2017 2:26 PM<br><b>To:</b> <a hr= ef=3D"mailto:AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx" target=3D"_blank">AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx= ILL.CA</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Hearing loss criteria for older adults<u></u>= <u></u></span></p></div></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></= p><div name=3D"messageBodySection"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"fo= nt-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Dear Au= ditory List, <u></u><u></u></span></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span sty= le=3D"font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""= ><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span sty= le=3D"font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""= >I am a master=E2=80=99s student working under Andrea Halpern at Bucknell U= niversity. We are running some auditory imagery studies with older (60-85 y= ears) adults, and we are using audiometry to screen their hearing. Some of = the environmental sounds we are asking participants to imagine involve some= what high frequencies.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNo= rmal"><span style=3D"font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sa= ns-serif""><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNo= rmal"><span style=3D"font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sa= ns-serif"">I understand that pure tone averages greater than 25 dB HL = are considered to characterize hearing loss; however, as some hearing loss = is expected with aging, I am wondering whether anyone can point me to some = best practices or suggestions regarding the inclusion of older adults with = slight hearing loss. It's not a psychophysical study, but the participa= nts do need to be able to hear and imagine the sounds reasonably accurately= .<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"= font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""><u></= u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"= font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Thank= s in advance for your help,<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"= MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Arial",&qu= ot;sans-serif"">Arley Schenker<u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><di= v name=3D"messageReplySection"><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-botto= m:12.0pt"><span style=3D"font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Arial",&quo= t;sans-serif""><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p></div></div></div></bloc= kquote></div><br><br clear=3D"all"><div><br></div>-- <br><div class=3D"gmai= l_signature" data-smartmail=3D"gmail_signature"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div = 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