Subject: Re: [AUDITORY] Hearing loss criteria for older adults From: Christine Rankovic <rankovic@xxxxxxxx> Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2017 08:32:22 -0500 List-Archive:<http://lists.mcgill.ca/scripts/wa.exe?LIST=AUDITORY>This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01D36A7E.E8B70B50 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Arley: =20 This is an excellent question. I don=E2=80=99t know of any printed = guidelines. =20 =20 Not all older listeners have hearing loss, therefore you could include = only those older listeners with normal hearing. Or, you can have TWO = groups of older listeners: one with normal hearing and one with mild = hearing loss. In your study, I would recommend the latter due to your = anticipation of audiogram effects. =20 Also, beware that anyone that has thresholds at or just over 25 dB HL at = more than a few audiometric test frequencies actually has significantly = reduced hearing ability, even though that is a standard audiometric = cutoff. Audiologists realize this, but non-audiologists usually = don=E2=80=99t. Try listening yourself with those little foam plugs in = your ears. With those plugs, you probably still have hearing better = than 25 dB at all frequencies but maybe you have 15-20 dB of loss at low = frequencies. You=E2=80=99ll find that it is very difficult to function = with them in place. A better cutoff rule for your experiment might be = something like: All normal-hearing listeners had audiometric thresholds = within the normal range with the restriction that, for any individual = listener, thresholds at no more than two test frequencies were permitted = to exceed 20 dB HL.=20 =20 I hope this is helpful. =20 Christine Rankovic =20 =20 From: AUDITORY - Research in Auditory Perception = [mailto:AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx On Behalf Of Arley Schenker Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2017 2:26 PM To: AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx Subject: Hearing loss criteria for older adults =20 Dear Auditory List,=20 =20 I am a master=E2=80=99s student working under Andrea Halpern at Bucknell = University. We are running some auditory imagery studies with older = (60-85 years) adults, and we are using audiometry to screen their = hearing. Some of the environmental sounds we are asking participants to = imagine involve somewhat high frequencies. =20 I understand that pure tone averages greater than 25 dB HL are = considered to characterize hearing loss; however, as some hearing loss = is expected with aging, I am wondering whether anyone can point me to = some best practices or suggestions regarding the inclusion of older = adults with slight hearing loss. It's not a psychophysical study, but = the participants do need to be able to hear and imagine the sounds = reasonably accurately. =20 Thanks in advance for your help, Arley Schenker =20 ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01D36A7E.E8B70B50 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <html xmlns:v=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" = xmlns:o=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" = xmlns:w=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" = xmlns:m=3D"http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/2004/12/omml" = xmlns=3D"http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40"><head><meta = http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; charset=3Dutf-8"><meta = name=3DGenerator content=3D"Microsoft Word 12 (filtered = medium)"><style><!-- /* Font Definitions */ @xxxxxxxx {font-family:"Cambria Math"; panose-1:2 4 5 3 5 4 6 3 2 4;} @xxxxxxxx {font-family:Calibri; panose-1:2 15 5 2 2 2 4 3 2 4;} @xxxxxxxx {font-family:Tahoma; panose-1:2 11 6 4 3 5 4 4 2 4;} /* Style Definitions */ p.MsoNormal, li.MsoNormal, div.MsoNormal {margin:0in; margin-bottom:.0001pt; font-size:12.0pt; font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";} a:link, span.MsoHyperlink {mso-style-priority:99; color:blue; text-decoration:underline;} a:visited, span.MsoHyperlinkFollowed {mso-style-priority:99; color:purple; text-decoration:underline;} span.EmailStyle17 {mso-style-type:personal-reply; font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D;} .MsoChpDefault {mso-style-type:export-only; font-size:10.0pt;} @xxxxxxxx WordSection1 {size:8.5in 11.0in; margin:1.0in 1.0in 1.0in 1.0in;} div.WordSection1 {page:WordSection1;} --></style><!--[if gte mso 9]><xml> <o:shapedefaults v:ext=3D"edit" spidmax=3D"1026" /> </xml><![endif]--><!--[if gte mso 9]><xml> <o:shapelayout v:ext=3D"edit"> <o:idmap v:ext=3D"edit" data=3D"1" /> </o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=3DEN-US link=3Dblue = vlink=3Dpurple><div class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal><span = style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497= D'>Hi Arley:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span = style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497= D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span = style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497= D'>This is an excellent question. I don=E2=80=99t know of any = printed guidelines. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p = class=3DMsoNormal><span = style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497= D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span = style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497= D'>Not all older listeners have hearing loss, therefore you could = include only those older listeners with normal hearing. Or, you = can have TWO groups of older listeners: one with normal hearing = and one with mild hearing loss. In your study, I would recommend = the latter due to your anticipation of audiogram = effects.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span = style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497= D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span = style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497= D'>Also, beware that anyone that has thresholds at or just over 25 dB HL = at more than a few audiometric test frequencies actually has = significantly reduced hearing ability, even though that is a standard = audiometric cutoff. Audiologists realize this, but = non-audiologists usually don=E2=80=99t. Try listening yourself = with those little foam plugs in your ears. With those plugs, you = probably still have hearing better than 25 dB at all frequencies but = maybe you have 15-20 dB of loss at low frequencies. You=E2=80=99ll = find that it is very difficult to function with them in place. A = better cutoff rule for your experiment might be something like: = All normal-hearing listeners had audiometric thresholds within the = normal range with the restriction that, for any individual listener, = thresholds at no more than two test frequencies were permitted to exceed = 20 dB HL. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span = style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497= D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span = style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497= D'>I hope this is helpful.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p = class=3DMsoNormal><span = style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497= D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span = style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497= D'>Christine Rankovic<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span = style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497= D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span = style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497= D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div = style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in = 0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span = style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span>= </b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> = AUDITORY - Research in Auditory Perception = [mailto:AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx <b>On Behalf Of </b>Arley = Schenker<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, November 30, 2017 2:26 = PM<br><b>To:</b> AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx<br><b>Subject:</b> Hearing = loss criteria for older adults<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p = class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div name=3DmessageBodySection><p = class=3DMsoNormal><span = style=3D'font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Dear Auditory = List, <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span = style=3D'font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o= :p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span = style=3D'font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>I am a = master=E2=80=99s student working under Andrea Halpern at Bucknell = University. We are running some auditory imagery studies with older = (60-85 years) adults, and we are using audiometry to screen their = hearing. Some of the environmental sounds we are asking participants to = imagine involve somewhat high = frequencies.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span = style=3D'font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o= :p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span = style=3D'font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>I understand = that pure tone averages greater than 25 dB HL are considered to = characterize hearing loss; however, as some hearing loss is expected = with aging, I am wondering whether anyone can point me to some best = practices or suggestions regarding the inclusion of older adults with = slight hearing loss. It's not a psychophysical study, but the = participants do need to be able to hear and imagine the sounds = reasonably accurately.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p = class=3DMsoNormal><span = style=3D'font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o= :p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span = style=3D'font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Thanks in = advance for your help,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p = class=3DMsoNormal><span = style=3D'font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Arley = Schenker<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div = name=3DmessageReplySection><p class=3DMsoNormal = style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span = style=3D'font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o= :p></span></p></div></div></body></html> ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01D36A7E.E8B70B50--