Subject: Re: [AUDITORY] Maximum temporal window for pattern recognition and the perception of redundancy From: "Bruno L. Giordano" <brungio@xxxxxxxx> Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2017 09:46:17 +0000 List-Archive:<http://lists.mcgill.ca/scripts/wa.exe?LIST=AUDITORY>--001a1145a1a257b3d505479d273f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Hello Dario, for the perception of "dynamic equilibrium" audio events such as the sea sound you mention you might be interested in the work of McDermott's group on the perception of audio textures: @xxxxxxxx{mcdermott2011sound, title={Sound texture perception via statistics of the auditory periphery: {Evidence} from sound synthesis}, author={J. H. {McDermott} and E. P. Simoncelli}, journal={Neuron}, volume={71}, pages={926--940}, year={2011}, } Bruno On 1 February 2017 at 14:40, Dario Sanfilippo <sanfilippo.dario@xxxxxxxx> wrote: > Hello, dear list. > > I would like to ask you a couple of questions and I will be very grateful > if you could help me. It would be great to be pointed out to specific > publications, thank you so much in advance for that. > > The first question is on the maximum temporal window for the recognition > of patterns in long-term audio events. Generally speaking, what is the > largest (temporal) distance between audio events so that we can still > process such events as interrelated? As an example, let's assume to have a > sequence of different pitches equally spaced in time; what is the largest > possible distance between them to still be able to perceive a melody? > > The second question is on the perception of redundancy in relatively > complex (i.e., dynamical equilibrium) long-term audio events. As an > example, think of the sound of the sea: its internal structure is never the > same although it keeps a strong identity from a global point of view. I > believe that this is highly dependent on both the cultural background of > the listener as well as the degree of complexity of the audio event itself, > but is there any study which tries to relate the perception of redundancy > (i.e., the moment in which the listener's attention drops) with a specific > temporal window? And is there a connection or similarity between this > window and the one described in my first question? > > Thank you and best wishes. > > Dario > -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Bruno L. Giordano, PhD Institute of Neuroscience and Psychology 58 Hillhead Street, University of Glasgow Glasgow, G12 8QB, Scotland T +44 (0) 141 330 5484 Www: http://www.brunolgiordano.net Email charter: http://www.emailcharter.org/ --001a1145a1a257b3d505479d273f Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div dir=3D"ltr">Hello Dario,<div><br></div><div>for the perception of &quo= t;dynamic equilibrium" audio events such as the sea sound you mention = you might be interested in the work of McDermott's group on the percept= ion of audio textures:</div><div><br></div><div><div>@xxxxxxxx{mcdermott2011= sound,</div><div>=C2=A0 title=3D{Sound texture perception via statistics of= the auditory periphery: {Evidence} from sound synthesis},</div><div>=C2=A0= author=3D{J. H. {McDermott} and E. P. Simoncelli},</div><div>=C2=A0 journa= l=3D{Neuron},</div><div>=C2=A0 volume=3D{71},</div><div>=C2=A0 pages=3D{926= --940},</div><div>=C2=A0 year=3D{2011},</div><div>}</div></div><div><br></d= iv><div>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Bruno</div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div = class=3D"gmail_quote">On 1 February 2017 at 14:40, Dario Sanfilippo <span d= ir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:sanfilippo.dario@xxxxxxxx" target=3D"_bla= nk">sanfilippo.dario@xxxxxxxx</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class= =3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padd= ing-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-f= amily:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"fon= t-size:12.8px">Hello, dear list.</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D= "font-size:12.8px"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-siz= e:12.8px">I would like to ask you a couple of questions and I will be very = grateful if you could help me. It would be great to be pointed out to speci= fic publications, thank you so much in advance for that.</div><div class=3D= "gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:12.8px"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_de= fault" style=3D"font-size:12.8px">The first question is on the maximum temp= oral window for the recognition of patterns in long-term audio events. Gene= rally speaking, what is the largest (temporal) distance between audio event= s so that we can still process such events as interrelated? As an example, = let's assume to have a sequence of different pitches equally spaced in = time; what is the largest possible distance between them to still be able t= o perceive a melody?</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:1= 2.8px"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:12.8px">Th= e second question is on the perception of redundancy in relatively complex = (i.e., dynamical equilibrium) long-term audio events. As an example, think = of the sound of the sea: its internal structure is never the same although = it keeps a strong identity from a global point of view. I believe that this= is highly dependent on both the cultural background of the listener as wel= l as the degree of complexity of the audio event itself, but is there any s= tudy which tries to relate the perception of redundancy (i.e., the moment i= n which the listener's attention drops) with a specific temporal window= ? And is there a connection or similarity between this window and the one d= escribed in my first question?</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"f= ont-size:12.8px"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:= 12.8px">Thank you and best wishes.</div><span class=3D"HOEnZb"><font color= =3D"#888888"><br clear=3D"all" style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-s= ize:12.8px"><div style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px"><d= iv class=3D"m_-3993556458852375909gmail-m_-8859490696778710881gmail_signatu= re"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div style=3D"font-size:12.8px">Dario= </div></div></div></div></div></font></span></div><div><div class=3D"m_-399= 3556458852375909gmail_signature"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><di= v><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"></div></div></div></div></div></di= v></div></div></div> </div> </blockquote></div><br><br clear=3D"all"><div><br></div>-- <br><div class= =3D"gmail_signature" data-smartmail=3D"gmail_signature"><div dir=3D"ltr"><d= iv>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~</div><div>Bruno L. Giordano, PhD</div><= div>Institute of Neuroscience and Psychology</div><div>58 Hillhead Street, = University of Glasgow</div><div>Glasgow, G12 8QB, Scotland</div><div>T +44 = (0) 141 330 5484</div><div>Www: <a href=3D"http://www.brunolgiordano.net" t= arget=3D"_blank">http://www.brunolgiordano.net</a></div><div>Email charter:= <a href=3D"http://www.emailcharter.org/" target=3D"_blank">http://www.emai= lcharter.org/</a></div></div></div> </div> --001a1145a1a257b3d505479d273f--