Re: [AUDITORY] Offstage instruments (Renee Timmers )


Subject: Re: [AUDITORY] Offstage instruments
From:    Renee Timmers  <r.timmers@xxxxxxxx>
Date:    Sun, 17 Sep 2017 21:27:46 +0000
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--94eb2c19dc88db54220559694ce6 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="94eb2c19dc88db541f0559694ce5" --94eb2c19dc88db541f0559694ce5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In Gluck's Orfeo ed Euridice, 2 chalumeaus and a few strings are playing off stage. I have not checked this information, but have been told by a professional musician, who I asked about this. Best, Renee On Sun, 17 Sep 2017 at 05:46, Arun Chandra <arunc@xxxxxxxx> wrote: > I'm glad that people mentioned Mahler symphonies, but there's also his > very first orchestral composition "Das Klagende Lied", which has an > entire orchestra and chorus offstage. > > And his 2nd symphony, in addition to having instruments offstage, also > has an offstage chorus. > > arun > > On 9/16/17 9:16 AM, Jonathan Berger wrote: > > and on a very different note - Turandot which has saxophone and organ > > backstage - an amazing timbre effect. > > - jonathan > > > > --- > > Jonathan Berger > > The Denning Family Provostial Professor in Music > > Bass University Fellow in Undergraduate Education > > Stanford University > > > > http://jonathanberger.net > > > > On 2017-09-15 11:06, Pierre Divenyi wrote: > >> I would definitely add John Cage's_ __4'33" ._ > >> > >> Pierre Divenyi > >> > >> On 9/15/17 1:02 AM, Victor Rosi wrote: > >> > >>> Mahler's 1st symphony : Offstage trumpets in the first movement > >>> Mahler's 2nd symphony : Offstage brass ensemble (horns, trumpets) > >>> and timpani in the last movement > >>> Alpen sinfonie (R. Strauss) : Horn ensemble in the third part (The > >>> Ascent /Der Anstieg) > >>> > >>> You also have this kind of effects in Opera's such as Madama > >>> Butterfly (G. Puccini) : in the second Act "Coro a bocca chiusa" > >>> there is a viola d'amore playing with a choir offstage. > >>> > >>> I hope I helped, i'll try to find other examples. > >>> > >>> Good luck and keep us updated ! > >>> > >>> Victor ROSI > >>> > >>> 2017-09-15 1:04 GMT+02:00 Niels Christian Hansen <nch@xxxxxxxx>: > >>> > >>>> Dear collective wisdom (with apologies for cross-posting), > >>>> > >>>> For a research project at Ohio State University, School of Music, > >>>> we are currently assembling a database of musical pieces in which > >>>> composers call for one or more instruments to be played > >>>> "offstage". > >>>> > >>>> Classic examples from the Western symphonic repertoire include: > >>>> (1) the offstage trumpet in Ludwig van Beethoven's Leonore > >>>> Overtures Nos. 2 & 3, (2) the offstage oboe in the third movement > >>>> ("Sc=C3=A8ne aux champs") from Hector Berlioz' Symphonie Fantastique= , > >>>> and (3) the offstage female choir in "Neptune" from Gustav Holst's > >>>> The Planets. > >>>> > >>>> We would be very grateful for your kind help in drawing our > >>>> attention to as many other examples as possible that you may be > >>>> aware of! > >>>> > >>>> Thanks in advance, > >>>> Niels Chr. Hansen & David Huron > >>>> > >>>> Niels Chr. Hansen (PhD, MSc, MMus) | Postdoctoral Fellow in Music > >>>> Cognition | Cognitive and Systematic Musicology > >>>> Laboratory<http://musiccog.ohio-state.edu/ [1]> | School of > >>>> Music<https://music.osu.edu/ [2]> | Ohio State > >>>> University<https://www.osu.edu/ [3]> | > >>>> hansen.491@xxxxxxxx<mailto:hansen.491@xxxxxxxx> > >> > >> > >> > >> Links: > >> ------ > >> [1] http://musiccog.ohio-state.edu/ > >> [2] https://music.osu.edu/ > >> [3] https://www.osu.edu/ > > -- > Arun Chandra > COM 308A > The Evergreen State College > Olympia, WA 98505 > office: (360) 867-6077 > email: arunc@xxxxxxxx > --=20 Dr Renee Timmers Reader in Psychology of Music, Director of Graduate Studies Department of Music, University of Sheffield 34 Leavygreave Road, Sheffield S3 7RD Director of distance learning MAs in psychology of music <http://www.sheffield.ac.uk/music/prospective-pg/distance-learning> Vice President of the European Society for the Cognitive Sciences of Music <http://www.escom.org/> Music Mind Machine in Sheffield <http://www.sheffield.ac.uk/music/research/researchcentres/music-mind-machi= ne> Now published: Routledge Companion to Music Cognition <https://www.routledge.com/The-Routledge-Companion-to-Music-Cognition/Ashle= y-Timmers/p/book/9781138721050> http://ukcatalogue.oup.com/product/9780199659647.do --94eb2c19dc88db541f0559694ce5 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div><div dir=3D"auto">In Gluck&#39;s Orfeo ed Euridice, 2 chalumeaus and a= few strings are playing off stage.=C2=A0</div><div dir=3D"auto">I have not= checked this information, but have been told by a professional musician, w= ho I asked about this.=C2=A0</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"a= uto">Best,</div><div dir=3D"auto">Renee=C2=A0</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></= div><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div>On Sun, 17 Sep 2017 at 05:46, Arun Chan= dra &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:arunc@xxxxxxxx">arunc@xxxxxxxx</a>&gt; = wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8e= x;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">I&#39;m glad that people men= tioned Mahler symphonies, but there&#39;s also his<br> very first orchestral composition &quot;Das Klagende Lied&quot;, which has = an<br> entire orchestra and chorus offstage.<br> <br> And his 2nd symphony, in addition to having instruments offstage, also<br> has an offstage chorus.<br> <br> arun<br> <br> On 9/16/17 9:16 AM, Jonathan Berger wrote:<br> &gt; and on a very different note - Turandot which has saxophone and organ<= br> &gt; backstage - an amazing timbre effect.<br> &gt; - jonathan<br> &gt;<br> &gt; ---<br> &gt; Jonathan Berger<br> &gt; The Denning Family Provostial Professor in Music<br> &gt; Bass University Fellow in Undergraduate Education<br> &gt; Stanford University<br> &gt;<br> &gt; <a href=3D"http://jonathanberger.net" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_bl= ank">http://jonathanberger.net</a><br> &gt;<br> &gt; On 2017-09-15 11:06, Pierre Divenyi wrote:<br> &gt;&gt; I would definitely add John Cage&#39;s_ __4&#39;33&quot; ._<br> &gt;&gt;<br> &gt;&gt; Pierre Divenyi<br> &gt;&gt;<br> &gt;&gt; On 9/15/17 1:02 AM, Victor Rosi wrote:<br> &gt;&gt;<br> &gt;&gt;&gt; Mahler&#39;s 1st symphony : Offstage trumpets in the first mov= ement<br> &gt;&gt;&gt; Mahler&#39;s 2nd symphony : Offstage brass ensemble (horns, tr= umpets)<br> &gt;&gt;&gt; and timpani in the last movement<br> &gt;&gt;&gt; Alpen sinfonie (R. Strauss) : Horn ensemble in the third part = (The<br> &gt;&gt;&gt; Ascent /Der Anstieg)<br> &gt;&gt;&gt;<br> &gt;&gt;&gt; You also have this kind of effects in Opera&#39;s such as Mada= ma<br> &gt;&gt;&gt; Butterfly (G. Puccini) : in the second Act &quot;Coro a bocca = chiusa&quot;<br> &gt;&gt;&gt; there is a viola d&#39;amore playing with a choir offstage.<br= > &gt;&gt;&gt;<br> &gt;&gt;&gt; I hope I helped, i&#39;ll try to find other examples.<br> &gt;&gt;&gt;<br> &gt;&gt;&gt; Good luck and keep us updated !<br> &gt;&gt;&gt;<br> &gt;&gt;&gt; Victor ROSI<br> &gt;&gt;&gt;<br> &gt;&gt;&gt; 2017-09-15 1:04 GMT+02:00 Niels Christian Hansen &lt;<a href= =3D"mailto:nch@xxxxxxxx" target=3D"_blank">nch@xxxxxxxx</a>&gt;:<br= > &gt;&gt;&gt;<br> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Dear collective wisdom (with apologies for cross-posting),= <br> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; For a research project at Ohio State University, School of= Music,<br> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; we are currently assembling a database of musical pieces i= n which<br> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; composers call for one or more instruments to be played<br= > &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &quot;offstage&quot;.<br> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Classic examples from the Western symphonic repertoire inc= lude:<br> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; (1) the offstage trumpet in Ludwig van Beethoven&#39;s Leo= nore<br> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Overtures Nos. 2 &amp; 3, (2) the offstage oboe in the thi= rd movement<br> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; (&quot;Sc=C3=A8ne aux champs&quot;) from Hector Berlioz&#3= 9; Symphonie Fantastique,<br> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; and (3) the offstage female choir in &quot;Neptune&quot; f= rom Gustav Holst&#39;s<br> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; The Planets.<br> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; We would be very grateful for your kind help in drawing ou= r<br> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; attention to as many other examples as possible that you m= ay be<br> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; aware of!<br> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Thanks in advance,<br> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Niels Chr. Hansen &amp; David Huron<br> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Niels Chr. Hansen (PhD, MSc, MMus) | Postdoctoral Fellow i= n Music<br> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Cognition | Cognitive and Systematic Musicology<br> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Laboratory&lt;<a href=3D"http://musiccog.ohio-state.edu/" = rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">http://musiccog.ohio-state.edu/</a> [1= ]&gt; | School of<br> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Music&lt;<a href=3D"https://music.osu.edu/" rel=3D"norefer= rer" target=3D"_blank">https://music.osu.edu/</a> [2]&gt; | Ohio State<br> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; University&lt;<a href=3D"https://www.osu.edu/" rel=3D"nore= ferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://www.osu.edu/</a> [3]&gt; |<br> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; <a href=3D"mailto:hansen.491@xxxxxxxx" target=3D"_blank">ha= nsen.491@xxxxxxxx</a>&lt;mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:hansen.491@xxxxxxxx" target= =3D"_blank">hansen.491@xxxxxxxx</a>&gt;<br> &gt;&gt;<br> &gt;&gt;<br> &gt;&gt;<br> &gt;&gt; Links:<br> &gt;&gt; ------<br> &gt;&gt; [1] <a href=3D"http://musiccog.ohio-state.edu/" rel=3D"noreferrer"= target=3D"_blank">http://musiccog.ohio-state.edu/</a><br> &gt;&gt; [2] <a href=3D"https://music.osu.edu/" rel=3D"noreferrer" target= =3D"_blank">https://music.osu.edu/</a><br> &gt;&gt; [3] <a href=3D"https://www.osu.edu/" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"= _blank">https://www.osu.edu/</a><br> <br> --<br> Arun Chandra<br> COM 308A<br> The Evergreen State College<br> Olympia, WA 98505<br> office: (360) 867-6077<br> email: <a href=3D"mailto:arunc@xxxxxxxx" target=3D"_blank">arunc@xxxxxxxx= reen.edu</a><br> </blockquote></div></div><div dir=3D"ltr">-- <br></div><div class=3D"gmail_= signature" data-smartmail=3D"gmail_signature"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div di= r=3D"ltr"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"= ><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><di= v dir=3D"ltr"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div dir=3D"= ltr"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><div>Dr Re= nee Timmers</div><div><span 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