Subject: Re: [AUDITORY] Offstage instruments From: David Jackson Morris <dmorris@xxxxxxxx> Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2017 10:39:01 +0000 List-Archive:<http://lists.mcgill.ca/scripts/wa.exe?LIST=AUDITORY>--_000_0BA252C5F9E83947B4D11B55D3A3A7D8E4707570P2KITMBX06WC03u_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Although I can see where Pierre is going, categorically 4'33" might not mak= e the cut. You might want to add Bernstein's Mass and Ravel's Daphnis and = Chloe to the list as both have offstage choruses. David Morris ________________________________ From: AUDITORY - Research in Auditory Perception [AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx= on behalf of Pierre Divenyi [pdivenyi@xxxxxxxx Sent: Friday, September 15, 2017 8:06 PM To: AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx Subject: Re: Offstage instruments I would definitely add John Cage's 4'33" . Pierre Divenyi On 9/15/17 1:02 AM, Victor Rosi wrote: Mahler's 1st symphony : Offstage trumpets in the first movement Mahler's 2nd symphony : Offstage brass ensemble (horns, trumpets) and timpa= ni in the last movement Alpen sinfonie (R. Strauss) : Horn ensemble in the third part (The Ascent /= Der Anstieg) You also have this kind of effects in Opera's such as Madama Butterfly (G. = Puccini) : in the second Act "Coro a bocca chiusa" there is a viola d'amore= playing with a choir offstage. I hope I helped, i'll try to find other examples. Good luck and keep us updated ! Victor ROSI 2017-09-15 1:04 GMT+02:00 Niels Christian Hansen <nch@xxxxxxxx<mailto:n= ch@xxxxxxxx>>: Dear collective wisdom (with apologies for cross-posting), For a research project at Ohio State University, School of Music, we are cu= rrently assembling a database of musical pieces in which composers call for= one or more instruments to be played "offstage". Classic examples from the Western symphonic repertoire include: (1) the off= stage trumpet in Ludwig van Beethoven's Leonore Overtures Nos. 2 & 3, (2) t= he offstage oboe in the third movement ("Sc=E8ne aux champs") from Hector B= erlioz' Symphonie Fantastique, and (3) the offstage female choir in "Neptun= e" from Gustav Holst's The Planets. We would be very grateful for your kind help in drawing our attention to as= many other examples as possible that you may be aware of! Thanks in advance, Niels Chr. Hansen & David Huron Niels Chr. Hansen (PhD, MSc, MMus) | Postdoctoral Fellow in Music Cognition= | Cognitive and Systematic Musicology Laboratory<http://musiccog.ohio-stat= e.edu/> | School of Music<https://music.osu.edu/> | Ohio State University<h= ttps://www.osu.edu/> | hansen.491@xxxxxxxx<mailto:hansen.491@xxxxxxxx><mailto= :hansen.491@xxxxxxxx<mailto:hansen.491@xxxxxxxx>> --_000_0BA252C5F9E83947B4D11B55D3A3A7D8E4707570P2KITMBX06WC03u_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <html dir=3D"ltr"> <head> <meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3Diso-8859-= 1"> <style type=3D"text/css" id=3D"owaParaStyle"></style> </head> <body bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF" fpstyle=3D"1" ocsi=3D"0"> <div style=3D"direction: ltr;font-family: Tahoma;color: #000000;font-size: = 10pt;">Although I can see where Pierre is going, categorically 4'33" m= ight not make the cut. You might want to add Bernstein's Mass and Rav= el's Daphnis and Chloe to the list as both have offstage choruses. <div>David Morris<br> <div style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; color: #000000; font-size: 16px= "> <hr tabindex=3D"-1"> <div id=3D"divRpF599674" style=3D"direction: ltr;"><font face=3D"Tahoma" si= ze=3D"2" color=3D"#000000"><b>From:</b> AUDITORY - Research in Auditory Per= ception [AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx on behalf of Pierre Divenyi [pdivenyi@xxxxxxxx= RMA.STANFORD.EDU]<br> <b>Sent:</b> Friday, September 15, 2017 8:06 PM<br> <b>To:</b> AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx<br> <b>Subject:</b> Re: Offstage instruments<br> </font><br> </div> <div></div> <div> <p><font face=3D"Calibri">I would definitely add John Cage's<i><b> </b></i>= <i>4'33" .</i></font></p> <p><font face=3D"Calibri">Pierre Divenyi</font><span style=3D"color:rgb(34,= 34,34); font-family:sans-serif; font-size:14px; font-style:normal; font-wei= ght:normal; letter-spacing:normal; orphans:2; text-align:start; text-indent= :0px; text-transform:none; white-space:normal; widows:2; word-spacing:0px; = background-color:rgb(255,255,255); display:inline!important; float:none"><s= pan><br> </span></span></p> <br> <div class=3D"moz-cite-prefix">On 9/15/17 1:02 AM, Victor Rosi wrote:<br> </div> <blockquote type=3D"cite"> <div dir=3D"ltr">Mahler's 1st symphony : Offstage trumpets in the first mov= ement <div>Mahler's 2nd symphony : Offstage brass ensemble (horns, trumpets) and = timpani in the last movement</div> <div>Alpen sinfonie (R. Strauss) : Horn ensemble in the third part (The Asc= ent /Der Anstieg)</div> <div><br> </div> <div>You also have this kind of effects in Opera's such as Madama Butterfly= (G. Puccini) : in the second Act "Coro a bocca chiusa" there is = a viola d'amore playing with a choir offstage.</div> <div><br> </div> <div>I hope I helped, i'll try to find other examples.</div> <div><br> </div> <div>Good luck and keep us updated ! </div> <div><br> </div> <div>Victor ROSI</div> </div> <div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br> <div class=3D"gmail_quote">2017-09-15 1:04 GMT+02:00 Niels Christian Ha= nsen <span dir=3D"ltr"> <<a href=3D"mailto:nch@xxxxxxxx" target=3D"_blank">nch@xxxxxxxx<= /a>></span>:<br> <blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0=0A= .8ex; border-left:1px #ccc solid; padding-left:1ex"> Dear collective wisdom (with apologies for cross-posting),<br> <br> For a research project at Ohio State University, School of Music, we are cu= rrently assembling a database of musical pieces in which composers call for= one or more instruments to be played "offstage".<br> <br> Classic examples from the Western symphonic repertoire include: (1) the off= stage trumpet in Ludwig van Beethoven's Leonore Overtures Nos. 2 & 3, (= 2) the offstage oboe in the third movement ("Sc=E8ne aux champs")= from Hector Berlioz' Symphonie Fantastique, and (3) the offstage female choir in "Neptune" from Gustav Holst's T= he Planets.<br> <br> We would be very grateful for your kind help in drawing our attention to as= many other examples as possible that you may be aware of!<br> <br> Thanks in advance,<br> Niels Chr. Hansen & David Huron<br> <br> <br> <br> Niels Chr. Hansen (PhD, MSc, MMus) | Postdoctoral Fellow in Music Cognition= | Cognitive and Systematic Musicology Laboratory<<a href=3D"http://musi= ccog.ohio-state.edu/" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">http://musiccog.= <wbr>ohio-state.edu/</a>> | School of Music<<a href=3D"https://music.= osu.edu/" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://music.osu.edu/</a>&g= t; | Ohio State University<<a href=3D"https://www.osu.edu/" rel=3D"norefer= rer" target=3D"_blank">https://www.osu.<wbr>edu/</a>> | <a href=3D"mailto:hansen.491@xxxxxxxx" target=3D"_blank">hansen.491@xxxxxxxx<= /a><mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:hansen.491@xxxxxxxx" target=3D"_blank">hans<= wbr>en.491@xxxxxxxx</a>><br> </blockquote> </div> <br> </div> </blockquote> <br> </div> </div> </div> </div> </body> </html> --_000_0BA252C5F9E83947B4D11B55D3A3A7D8E4707570P2KITMBX06WC03u_--