Re: Working memory (Reading Span) & Speech in noise (Jont Allen )


Subject: Re: Working memory (Reading Span) & Speech in noise
From:    Jont Allen  <jontalle@xxxxxxxx>
Date:    Mon, 13 Apr 2015 05:02:38 -0500
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This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------090002050902090008000101 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear Christian, and Daniel, This is starting to get interesting. What we showed is that the variance on these average consonant tests is=20 so large as to render them somewhat uninteresting (my reading, and possib= le over interpretation of our results). You can decide for yourself if you=20 do or dont like my conclusion. Ref 1 Age has nothing to do with it (Another personal opinion). Hearing loss, even with near- normal thresholds, has everything to do=20 with it. A small hearing loss (30 dB at 6 kHz) can kill the very high=20 performance, on a few consonants. (refs 3,4,5) We find that most consonants (80%) have zero error (1 error in 500=20 trials) down to 0 dB SNR, and a subset down to -10 dB SRN. (ref 2) Each consonant has a binary threshold which we call either SNR90 (or=20 SNR50), SNR90 means the threshold for getting other than zero errors,=20 10% of the time. The probability correct is 90% at SNR-90. (refs 1 and 2) You can read about this in the following two papers: 1) Toscano, Joseph and Allen, Jont B (2014) /Across and within consonant = errors for isolated syllables in noise,/ Journal of Speech, Language,=20 and Hearing Research, Accepted July 25, 2014; doi:10.1044/2014_JSLHR-H-13-0244, (JSLHR=20 <http://jslhr.pubs.asha.org/Article.aspx?articleid=3D1894924>,pdf=20 <http://auditorymodels.org/GEAR/Djvu/Toscano-Allen-JSLHR-2014.pdf>) http://auditorymodels.org/GEAR/Djvu/Toscano-Allen-JSLHR-2014.pdf 2) Riya Singh and Jont Allen (2012); "The influence of stop consonants=E2= =80=99=20 perceptual features on the Articulation Index model," J. Acoust. Soc. Am., apr v131,3051-3068 (pdf=20 <http://auditorymodels.org/GEAR/Djvu/SinghAllen12.pdf>) http://auditorymodels.org/GEAR/Djvu/SinghAllen12.pdf The Hearing loss results are here: 3) Trevino, Andrea and Allen, Jont B (2013). "Individual Variability of=20 Hearing Impaired Consonant Perception," Seminars in Hearing, Guest=20 Editor: Jason Galster PhD.; (pdf=20 <http://auditorymodels.org/GEAR/Djvu/74-85.pdf>) 4) Trevino, Andrea C and Allen, Jont B (2012). "Within-Consonant=20 Perceptual Differences in the Hearing Impaired Ear," JASA v134(1); Jul,=20 2013, pp 607--617 (pdf=20 <http://auditorymodels.org/GEAR/Djvu/TrevinoAllenJul.13.pdf>) 5) Allen, Jont B, Trevino, Andrea, Han, Woojae (2012); "Speech=20 perception in impaired ears," Presentation at the AG Bell Research=20 Symposium, Scottsdale AZ, Jul 1; (event=20 <http://nc.agbell.org/page.aspx?pid=3D1451>,djvu=20 <http://auditorymodels.org/GEAR/Djvu/Allen/AGBell.12.djvu>,pdf=20 <http://auditorymodels.org/GEAR/Djvu/AGBell.12.pdf>,doc=20 <http://auditorymodels.org/GEAR/Djvu/AllenTravinoHan-Jul1.12.pdf>) If you get a login/passwd challenge, email me and I'll send it to you.=20 Its a pretty simple password, that even could be guessed. Its only there to keep hackers out of my hair. Jont Allen On 04/13/2015 03:44 AM, Oberfeld-Twistel, Daniel wrote: > Dear Christian, > > we recently tested a group of young normal-hearing participants in a "c= ocktail party listening" task with two spatially separated interfering sp= eakers (http://dx.doi.org/10.13140/RG.2.1.1876.9448 or http://www.staff.= uni-mainz.de/oberfeld/downloads/oberfeld_kloeckner_DAGA2015_549.pdf ). Th= e speech identification performance was significantly correlated with an = intensity discrimination task under backward masking, indexing auditory s= elective attention (e.g. http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=3D10= =2E1371/journal.pone.0099745 ). Binaural TFS sensitivity also explained a= significant portion of the variance. However, there was no sign. relatio= n with the reading-span score. > > The data collection for a group of listeners aged 30-60 years will be c= ompleted end of April, will keep you updated... > > Best > > Daniel > > Privatdozent Dr. Daniel Oberfeld-Twistel > Johannes Gutenberg - Universitaet Mainz > Department of Psychology > Experimental Psychology > Wallstrasse 3 > 55122 Mainz > Germany > > Phone ++49 (0) 6131 39 39274 > Fax ++49 (0) 6131 39 39268 > http://www.staff.uni-mainz.de/oberfeld/ > https://www.facebook.com/WahrnehmungUndPsychophysikUniMainz > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: AUDITORY - Research in Auditory Perception >> [mailto:AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx On Behalf Of Christian F=EF=BF=BDllg= rabe >> Sent: Friday, April 10, 2015 3:26 PM >> To: AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx >> Subject: Working memory (Reading Span) & Speech in noise >> >> Dear List, >> >> >> >> There is a growing body of evidence that working memory capacity is >> positively associated with speech-in-noise perception in listeners wit= h hearing >> loss and when spanning a wide age range. >> >> >> >> In a recent study (Fullgrabe, Moore, and Stone, 2015), we found a sign= ificant >> correlation between consonant-in-noise or speech-in-speech identificat= ion and >> Reading-Span scores in an audiometrically normal-hearing group compose= d of >> young and older listeners. However, this correlation was no longer sig= nificant >> when the effect of age was partialled out or when only the older (60-7= 9 years) >> listeners were entered into the correlational analysis. A review of th= e recent >> literature reveals that the results of those studies investigating thi= s link in >> normal-hearing listeners (with the effect of age controlled for and us= ing the >> Reading-Span test) are mixed (see Zekveld et al., 2011; Besser et al.,= 2012; Ellis >> and Munro, 2013; Kilman et al., 2014; Moradi et al., 2014; Zekveld et = al., 2014; >> Stenback et al., 2015). >> >> >> >> Can anyone please point me to other publications on the topic of speec= h-in- >> noise perception and working memory capacity (as measured by the Readi= ng- >> Span test) in young normal-hearing listeners I might have overlooked, = or share >> his/her opinion, experience, unpublished data? >> >> >> >> Many thanks in advance for any pointers. >> >> >> >> Christian (christian@xxxxxxxx) >> >> >> >> >> >> Christian Fullgrabe >> >> Senior Investigator Scientist >> >> MRC Institute of Hearing Research >> >> Nottingham NG7 2RD >> >> UK >> >> Email: christian@xxxxxxxx >> >> Phone: 00 44 (0)115 922 34 31 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee = and >> may contain confidential information. If you have received this messag= e in >> error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. >> >> Please do not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this = message >> or in any attachment. Any views or opinions expressed by the author o= f this >> email do not necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottin= gham. >> >> This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an attac= hment >> may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer sy= stem, >> you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with = the >> University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislati= on. --------------090002050902090008000101 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <html> <head> <meta content=3D"text/html; charset=3Dutf-8" http-equiv=3D"Content-Ty= pe"> </head> <body bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF" text=3D"#000000"> Dear Christian, and Daniel,<br> <br> This is starting to get interesting.<br> <br> What we showed is that the variance on these average consonant tests is so large as to render them somewhat uninteresting (my reading, and possible <br> over interpretation of our results). You can decide for yourself if you do or dont like my conclusion. Ref 1<br> <br> Age has nothing to do with it (Another personal opinion).<br> <br> Hearing loss, even with near- normal thresholds, has everything to do with it. A small hearing loss (30 dB at 6 kHz) can kill the very high performance,<br> on a few consonants. (refs 3,4,5)<br> <br> We find that most consonants (80%) have zero error (1 error in 500 trials) down to 0 dB SNR, and a subset down to -10 dB SRN. (ref 2)<br= > <br> Each consonant has a binary threshold which we call either SNR90 (or SNR50), SNR90 means the threshold for getting other than zero errors,= 10% of the time.<br> The probability correct is 90% at SNR-90. (refs 1 and 2)<br> <br> You can read about this in the following two papers:<br> <br> 1) Toscano, Joseph and Allen, Jont B (2014) <em>Across and within consonant errors for isolated syllables in noise,</em> Journal of Speech, Language, and Hearing Research,<br> =C2=A0Accepted July 25, 2014; doi:10.1044/2014_JSLHR-H-13-0244, (<a class=3D"urllink" href=3D"http://jslhr.pubs.asha.org/Article.aspx?articleid=3D1894924= " rel=3D"nofollow">JSLHR</a>,<a class=3D"urllink" href=3D"http://auditorymodels.org/GEAR/Djvu/Toscano-Allen-JSLHR-201= 4.pdf" rel=3D"nofollow">pdf</a>)<br> <br> =C2=A0<a class=3D"moz-txt-link-freetext" href=3D"http://auditorymodel= s.org/GEAR/Djvu/Toscano-Allen-JSLHR-2014.pdf">http://auditorymodels.org/G= EAR/Djvu/Toscano-Allen-JSLHR-2014.pdf</a><br> <br> 2) Riya Singh and Jont Allen (2012); "The influence of stop consonants=E2=80=99 perceptual features on the Articulation Index mod= el,"<br> J. Acoust. Soc. Am., apr v131,3051-3068 (<a class=3D"urllink" href=3D"http://auditorymodels.org/GEAR/Djvu/SinghAllen12.pdf" rel=3D"nofollow">pdf</a>) <br> =C2=A0 <br> <a class=3D"moz-txt-link-freetext" href=3D"http://auditorymodels.org/= GEAR/Djvu/SinghAllen12.pdf">http://auditorymodels.org/GEAR/Djvu/SinghAlle= n12.pdf</a><br> <br> The Hearing loss results are here:<br> <br> 3) Trevino, Andrea and Allen, Jont B (2013). "Individual Variability of Hearing Impaired Consonant Perception," Seminars in Hearing, Guest Editor: Jason Galster PhD.; (<a class=3D"urllink" href=3D"http://auditorymodels.org/GEAR/Djvu/74-85.pdf" rel=3D"nofollow">pdf</a>) <br> 4) Trevino, Andrea C and Allen, Jont B (2012). "Within-Consonant Perceptual Differences in the Hearing Impaired Ear," JASA v134(1); Jul, 2013, pp 607--617 (<a class=3D"urllink" href=3D"http://auditorymodels.org/GEAR/Djvu/TrevinoAllenJul.13.pdf"= rel=3D"nofollow">pdf</a>) <br> 5) Allen, Jont B, Trevino, Andrea, Han, Woojae (2012); "Speech perception in impaired ears," Presentation at the AG Bell Research Symposium, <br> =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Scottsdale AZ, Jul 1; (<a class=3D"urllink" href=3D"http://nc.agbell.org/page.aspx?pid=3D1451" rel=3D"nofollow"= >event</a>,<a class=3D"urllink" href=3D"http://auditorymodels.org/GEAR/Djvu/Allen/AGBell.12.djvu" rel=3D"nofollow">djvu</a>,<a class=3D"urllink" href=3D"http://auditorymodels.org/GEAR/Djvu/AGBell.12.pdf" rel=3D"nofollow">pdf</a>,<a class=3D"urllink" href=3D"http://auditorymodels.org/GEAR/Djvu/AllenTravinoHan-Jul1.12= =2Epdf" rel=3D"nofollow">doc</a>) <br> <br> If you get a login/passwd challenge, email me and I'll send it to you. Its a pretty simple password, that even could be guessed. <br> Its only there to keep hackers out of my hair.<br> <br> Jont Allen<br> <br> <div class=3D"moz-cite-prefix">On 04/13/2015 03:44 AM, Oberfeld-Twistel, Daniel wrote:<br> </div> <blockquote cite=3D"mid:12302_1428915780_552B8644_12302_65_1_86db4de9b5004edfa11b3f9e= 22a5cd95@xxxxxxxx" type=3D"cite"> <pre wrap=3D"">Dear Christian, we recently tested a group of young normal-hearing participants in a "coc= ktail party listening" task with two spatially separated interfering spea= kers (<a class=3D"moz-txt-link-freetext" href=3D"http://dx.doi.org/10.131= 40/RG.2.1.1876.9448">http://dx.doi.org/10.13140/RG.2.1.1876.9448</a> or = <a class=3D"moz-txt-link-freetext" href=3D"http://www.staff.uni-mainz.de/= oberfeld/downloads/oberfeld_kloeckner_DAGA2015_549.pdf">http://www.staff.= uni-mainz.de/oberfeld/downloads/oberfeld_kloeckner_DAGA2015_549.pdf</a> )= =2E The speech identification performance was significantly correlated wi= th an intensity discrimination task under backward masking, indexing audi= tory selective attention (e.g. <a class=3D"moz-txt-link-freetext" href=3D= "http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=3D10.1371/journal.pone.00997= 45">http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=3D10.1371/journal.pone.00= 99745</a> ). Binaural TFS sensitivity also explained a significant portio= n of the variance. However, there was no sign. relation with the rea ding-span score. The data collection for a group of listeners aged 30-60 years will be com= pleted end of April, will keep you updated... Best Daniel=20 Privatdozent Dr. Daniel Oberfeld-Twistel Johannes Gutenberg - Universitaet Mainz Department of Psychology Experimental Psychology Wallstrasse 3 55122 Mainz Germany Phone ++49 (0) 6131 39 39274=20 Fax ++49 (0) 6131 39 39268 <a class=3D"moz-txt-link-freetext" href=3D"http://www.staff.uni-mainz.de/= oberfeld/">http://www.staff.uni-mainz.de/oberfeld/</a> <a class=3D"moz-txt-link-freetext" href=3D"https://www.facebook.com/Wahrn= ehmungUndPsychophysikUniMainz">https://www.facebook.com/WahrnehmungUndPsy= chophysikUniMainz</a> </pre> <blockquote type=3D"cite"> <pre wrap=3D"">-----Original Message----- From: AUDITORY - Research in Auditory Perception [<a class=3D"moz-txt-link-freetext" href=3D"mailto:AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx= CA">mailto:AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx</a>] On Behalf Of Christian F=EF=BF=BD= llgrabe Sent: Friday, April 10, 2015 3:26 PM To: <a class=3D"moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href=3D"mailto:AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx= CGILL.CA">AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx</a> Subject: Working memory (Reading Span) &amp; Speech in noise Dear List, There is a growing body of evidence that working memory capacity is positively associated with speech-in-noise perception in listeners with h= earing loss and when spanning a wide age range. In a recent study (Fullgrabe, Moore, and Stone, 2015), we found a signifi= cant correlation between consonant-in-noise or speech-in-speech identification= and Reading-Span scores in an audiometrically normal-hearing group composed o= f young and older listeners. However, this correlation was no longer signif= icant when the effect of age was partialled out or when only the older (60-79 y= ears) listeners were entered into the correlational analysis. A review of the r= ecent literature reveals that the results of those studies investigating this l= ink in normal-hearing listeners (with the effect of age controlled for and using= the Reading-Span test) are mixed (see Zekveld et al., 2011; Besser et al., 20= 12; Ellis and Munro, 2013; Kilman et al., 2014; Moradi et al., 2014; Zekveld et al.= , 2014; Stenback et al., 2015). Can anyone please point me to other publications on the topic of speech-i= n- noise perception and working memory capacity (as measured by the Reading-= Span test) in young normal-hearing listeners I might have overlooked, or = share his/her opinion, experience, unpublished data? Many thanks in advance for any pointers. Christian (<a class=3D"moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href=3D"mailto:christian= @xxxxxxxx">christian@xxxxxxxx</a>) Christian Fullgrabe Senior Investigator Scientist MRC Institute of Hearing Research Nottingham NG7 2RD UK Email: <a class=3D"moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href=3D"mailto:christian@xxxxxxxx= =2Emrc.ac.uk">christian@xxxxxxxx</a> Phone: 00 44 (0)115 922 34 31 This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and= may contain confidential information. If you have received this message i= n error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. Please do not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this mes= sage or in any attachment. Any views or opinions expressed by the author of t= his email do not necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingha= m. This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an attachme= nt may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer syste= m, you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with the= University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation.= </pre> </blockquote> <pre wrap=3D""> </pre> </blockquote> <br> </body> </html> --------------090002050902090008000101--


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