Subject: Re: comparison of envelope rise times in orchestral instruments From: "Maher, Rob" <rmaher@xxxxxxxx> Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2014 07:32:57 -0700 List-Archive:<http://lists.mcgill.ca/scripts/wa.exe?LIST=AUDITORY>--_000_31B0BCE89606784FB09EF0C6CF94794F043643010Ecoeexch1coemo_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Perhaps you are thinking of Clark and Luce? Articles in the Journal of the= Audio Engineering Society in the 1960s? "Intensities of orchestral instrument scales played at prescribed dynamic m= arkings" 1965 "Duration of attack transients of nonpercussive orchestral instruments" 19= 65 "A preliminary experiment on the perceptual basis for musical instrument fa= milies" 1964 Etc. Rob From: AUDITORY - Research in Auditory Perception [mailto:AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx= ILL.CA] On Behalf Of David Worrall Sent: Friday, December 05, 2014 2:39 AM To: AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx Subject: comparison of envelope rise times in orchestral instruments Hello all, I've been looking for some time, and failed miserably, for an old (30 yrs+)= article - in JASA I think - which has graphs for each orchestral 'family' = of envelope rise (attack) times across the entire range of each instrument. I'm afraid I can't provide any more detail than that. Does anyone have the reference perchance? Or something more recent perhaps? Many thanks, David ______________________________________ Prof. Dr. David Worrall Emerging Audio Research (EAR) Audio Department International Audio Laboratories Erlangen Fraunhofer-Institut f=FCr Integrierte Schaltungen IIS Am Wolfsmantel 33 91058 Erlangen Telefon +49 (0) 91 31 / 7 76-62 44 Fax +49 (0) 91 31 / 7 76-20 99 E-Mail: david.worrall@xxxxxxxx<mailto:david.worrall@xxxxxxxx= .de> www: iis.fraunhofer.de<http://iis.fraunhofer.de> audiolabs-erlangen.de/research/emerging-audio-research<http://audi= olabs-erlangen.de/research/emerging-audio-research> --- Adjunct Senior Research Fellow School of Music, Australian National University david.worrall@xxxxxxxx<mailto:david.worrall@xxxxxxxx> --_000_31B0BCE89606784FB09EF0C6CF94794F043643010Ecoeexch1coemo_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <META HTTP-EQUIV=3D"Content-Type" CONTENT=3D"text/html; charset=3Diso-8859-= 1"> <html xmlns:v=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:o=3D"urn:schemas-micr= osoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" = xmlns:m=3D"http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/2004/12/omml" xmlns=3D"http:= //www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40"><head><meta name=3DGenerator content=3D"Microso= ft Word 14 (filtered medium)"><style><!-- /* Font Definitions */ @xxxxxxxx {font-family:Helvetica; 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Or somet= hing more recent perhaps?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:= p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Many thanks,<o:p></o:p></= p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class= =3DMsoNormal>David<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> = ;</o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div>= <div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><spa= n style=3D'font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:blac= k'>______________________________________<br>Prof. Dr. David Worrall<br>Eme= rging Audio Research (EAR)<br>Audio Department<br>International Audio Labor= atories Erlangen<br>Fraunhofer-Institut f=FCr Integrierte Schaltungen IIS<b= r>Am Wolfsmantel 33<br>91058 Erlangen<br>Telefon +49 (0) 91 31 / 7 76= -62 44<br>Fax +49 (0) 91 31 / 7 76-20 99<br>E-Mail: <a = href=3D"mailto:david.worrall@xxxxxxxx">david.worrall@xxxxxxxx= r.de</a><br>www: <a href=3D"http://iis.fraunhofer.de">iis.fraunhofer.de</a>= <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'= font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'> &= nbsp; <a href=3D"http://audiolabs-erlangen.de/research/= emerging-audio-research">audiolabs-erlangen.de/research/emerging-audio-rese= arch</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style= =3D'font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>---<= o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'fo= nt-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>Adjunct Se= nior Research Fellow<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><= span style=3D'font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:b= lack'>School of Music, Australian National University<o:p></o:p></span></p>= </div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:13.5pt;font-family= :"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><a href=3D"mailto:david.worrall@xxxxxxxx= edu.au">david.worrall@xxxxxxxx</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div>= <p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica= ","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div></div><= /div></div></div></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:13.5pt= ;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span>= </p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:13.5pt;font-family:= "Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><p = class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div= ><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></body></html>= --_000_31B0BCE89606784FB09EF0C6CF94794F043643010Ecoeexch1coemo_--