Subject: Re: Precedence effect in real systems? From: "Richard F. Lyon" <dicklyon@xxxxxxxx> Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2014 21:48:43 -0700 List-Archive:<http://lists.mcgill.ca/scripts/wa.exe?LIST=AUDITORY>--001a1133da30df232b0503dc8399 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks Alex and all. I'm particularly interested in proven applications of precedence effect theories to real sound analysis. I find a ton of good theories, and good experimental data from human and animal subjects, but not much machine application with measured performance. Dick On Wed, Sep 24, 2014 at 9:29 AM, Richard F. Lyon <dicklyon@xxxxxxxx> wrote: > Thanks, H=C3=BCseyin, I appreciate those synthesis-oriented applications,= too. > > Dick > > > On Wed, Sep 24, 2014 at 1:02 AM, H=C3=BCseyin Hac=C4=B1habibo=C4=9Flu < > hhuseyin@xxxxxxxx> wrote: > >> Dear Dick, >> >> Not directly related to source separation as you queried in your origina= l >> message, but these may be also be of interest nonetheless: >> >> 1) I used a simple statistical model of the precedence effect as part of >> my PhD in 2004. The statistical model was published in AAuA in 2006: >> >> Hacihabiboglu, H., and Murtagh, F., (2006), "An observational study of >> the precedence effect", Acta Acustica united with Acustica, 90(3), pp. >> 440-456, May/June 2006. >> >> We have later used that model to simplify ISM-based binaural room >> auralization by a perceptually informed clustering of image sources: >> >> Hacihabiboglu, H., and Murtagh, F., (2008), "Perceptual simplification >> for model-based binaural room auralisation", Applied Acoustics, 69(8), p= p. >> 715-727, August 2008. >> >> 2) In an earlier work published in IEEE WASPAA in 2003 I used onset >> dominance to reduce the complexity of the binaural synthesis of early >> reflections. A graceful degradation approach was used to keep the filter >> size fixed while processing not only the direct sound but also the >> reflections. >> >> Hacihabiboglu H., (2003) =E2=80=9CA fixed-cost variable-length auralizat= ion >> filter model utilizing the precedence effect=E2=80=9D, Proc. IEEE Worksh= op on >> Applications of Signal Processing to Audio and Acoustics (WASPAA-03), pp= . >> 1-4, New York, USA, 19-22 October, 2003. >> >> I hope that these are also relevant. >> >> Best, >> >> H=C3=BCseyin >> >> -- >> Dr Huseyin Hacihabiboglu >> Assistant Professor >> Head of Department of Modelling and Simulation >> Informatics Institute, METU, 06800, Ankara, Turkey >> tel: +90 312 2107889 | e-mail: hhuseyin@xxxxxxxx | web: >> http://www.hacihabiboglu.org | VoIP: husshho (skype) >> >> On 24 Sep 2014, at 07:54, Richard F. Lyon <dicklyon@xxxxxxxx> wrote: >> >> > Axel, yes, those are good ones; thanks for your paper, and for >> reminding me of Palom=C3=A4ki et al 2004, which I have. >> > I will mention these as precedence-effect application successes in my >> binaural chapter. >> > >> > Dick >> > >> > >> > On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 12:22 PM, Axel Plinge < >> axel.plinge@xxxxxxxx> wrote: >> > Hello Dick! >> > >> > I am not sure if this is what you are looking for, however I am using = a >> simple precedence effect in my 'machine hearing' model for speaker >> localization by subtracting a time-shifted average from the signal in ea= ch >> band, as introduced in: >> > >> > Plinge, A., Hennecke, M. H., & Fink, G. A. "Robust Neuro-Fuzzy Speaker >> Localization Using a Circular Microphone Array", in 12th International >> Workshop on Acoustic Echo and Noise Control; Tel Aviv, Israel, 2010 >> http://patrec.cs.tu-dortmund.de//pubs/abstracts/Plinge2010-RNF.htm >> > >> > A similar idea was used in: >> > K. J. Palom=C3=A4ki, G. J. Brown, and D. L.Wang, =E2=80=9CA binaural p= rocessor for >> missing data speech recognition in the presence of noise and small-room >> reverberation,=E2=80=9D in Speech Communication, 2004, vol. 43 (4), pp. = 273=E2=80=93398. >> > Kind regards, >> > >> > Axel >> > -- >> > >> > http://patrec.cs.tu-dortmund.de/cms/en/home/People/Staff/plinge.html >> > >> > TU Dortmund, Department of Computer Science, LS XII, >> > Pattern Recognition, Otto-Hahn-Str. 16, 44227 Dortmund, Germany >> > >> > >> >> > --001a1133da30df232b0503dc8399 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Thanks Alex and all.=C2=A0 I'm particularly inter= ested in proven applications of precedence effect theories to real sound an= alysis.=C2=A0 I find a ton of good theories, and good experimental data fro= m human and animal subjects, but not much machine application with measured= performance.<br><br></div>Dick<br><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br= ><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Wed, Sep 24, 2014 at 9:29 AM, Richard F. Lyo= n <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:dicklyon@xxxxxxxx" target=3D"_blan= k">dicklyon@xxxxxxxx</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quo= te" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"= ><span class=3D""><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Thanks, H=C3=BCseyin, I appreciate = those synthesis-oriented applications, too.<br><br></div>Dick<br><br></div>= </span><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><span clas= s=3D"">On Wed, Sep 24, 2014 at 1:02 AM, H=C3=BCseyin Hac=C4=B1habibo=C4=9Fl= u <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:hhuseyin@xxxxxxxx" target=3D"_= blank">hhuseyin@xxxxxxxx</a>></span> wrote:<br></span><div><div class= =3D"h5"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border= -left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Dear Dick,<br> <br> Not directly related to source separation as you queried in your original m= essage, but these may be also be of interest nonetheless:<br> <br> 1) I used a simple statistical model of the precedence effect as part of my= PhD in 2004. The statistical model was published in AAuA in 2006:<br> <br> Hacihabiboglu, H., and Murtagh, F., (2006), "An observational study of= the precedence effect", Acta Acustica united with Acustica, 90(3), pp= . 440-456, May/June 2006.<br> <br> We have later used that model to simplify ISM-based binaural room auralizat= ion by a perceptually informed clustering of image sources:<br> <br> Hacihabiboglu, H., and Murtagh, F., (2008), "Perceptual simplification= for model-based binaural room auralisation", Applied Acoustics, 69(8)= , pp. 715-727, August 2008.<br> <br> 2) In an earlier work published in IEEE WASPAA in 2003 I used onset dominan= ce to reduce the complexity of the binaural synthesis of early reflections.= A graceful degradation approach was used to keep the filter size fixed whi= le processing not only the direct sound but also the reflections.<br> <br> Hacihabiboglu H., (2003) =E2=80=9CA fixed-cost variable-length auralization= filter model utilizing the precedence effect=E2=80=9D, Proc. IEEE Workshop= on Applications of Signal Processing to Audio and Acoustics (WASPAA-03), p= p. 1-4, New York, USA, 19-22 October, 2003.<br> <br> I hope that these are also relevant.<br> <br> Best,<br> <br> H=C3=BCseyin<br> <br> --<br> Dr Huseyin Hacihabiboglu<br> Assistant Professor<br> Head of Department of Modelling and Simulation<br> Informatics Institute, METU, 06800, Ankara, Turkey<br> tel: <a href=3D"tel:%2B90%20312%202107889" value=3D"+903122107889" target= =3D"_blank">+90 312 2107889</a> | e-mail: <a href=3D"mailto:hhuseyin@xxxxxxxx= du.tr" target=3D"_blank">hhuseyin@xxxxxxxx</a> | web: <a href=3D"http://= www.hacihabiboglu.org" target=3D"_blank">http://www.hacihabiboglu.org</a> |= VoIP: husshho (skype)<br> <span><br> On 24 Sep 2014, at 07:54, Richard F. Lyon <<a href=3D"mailto:dicklyon@xxxxxxxx= M.ORG" target=3D"_blank">dicklyon@xxxxxxxx</a>> wrote:<br> <br> > Axel, yes, those are good ones; thanks for your paper, and for remindi= ng me of Palom=C3=A4ki et al 2004, which I have.<br> > I will mention these as precedence-effect application successes in my = binaural chapter.<br> ><br> > Dick<br> ><br> ><br> > On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 12:22 PM, Axel Plinge <<a href=3D"mailto:ax= el.plinge@xxxxxxxx" target=3D"_blank">axel.plinge@xxxxxxxx</a>&= gt; wrote:<br> </span><div><div>> Hello Dick!<br> ><br> > I am not sure if this is what you are looking for, however I am using = a simple precedence effect in my 'machine hearing' model for speake= r localization by subtracting a time-shifted average from the signal in eac= h band, as introduced in:<br> ><br> > Plinge, A., Hennecke, M. H., & Fink, G. A. "Robust Neuro-Fuzz= y Speaker Localization Using a Circular Microphone Array", in 12th Int= ernational Workshop on Acoustic Echo and Noise Control; Tel Aviv, Israel, 2= 010 <a href=3D"http://patrec.cs.tu-dortmund.de//pubs/abstracts/Plinge2010-R= NF.htm" target=3D"_blank">http://patrec.cs.tu-dortmund.de//pubs/abstracts/P= linge2010-RNF.htm</a><br> ><br> > A similar idea was used in:<br> > K. J. Palom=C3=A4ki, G. J. Brown, and D. L.Wang, =E2=80=9CA binaural p= rocessor for missing data speech recognition in the presence of noise and s= mall-room reverberation,=E2=80=9D in Speech Communication, 2004, vol. 43 (4= ), pp. 273=E2=80=93398.<br> > Kind regards,<br> ><br> > Axel<br> > --<br> ><br> > <a href=3D"http://patrec.cs.tu-dortmund.de/cms/en/home/People/Staff/pl= inge.html" target=3D"_blank">http://patrec.cs.tu-dortmund.de/cms/en/home/Pe= ople/Staff/plinge.html</a><br> ><br> > TU Dortmund, Department of Computer Science, LS XII,<br> > Pattern Recognition, Otto-Hahn-Str. 16, 44227 Dortmund, Germany<br> ><br> ><br> <br> </div></div></blockquote></div></div></div><br></div> </blockquote></div><br></div> --001a1133da30df232b0503dc8399--