Re: Precedence effect in real systems? ("Richard F. Lyon" )

Subject: Re: Precedence effect in real systems? From: "Richard F. Lyon" <dicklyon@xxxxxxxx> Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2014 12:14:04 -0700 List-Archive:<http://lists.mcgill.ca/scripts/wa.exe?LIST=AUDITORY> --001a11c16ec246d897050219ec32 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable And these 2 papers compare several different ways of incorporating precedence effect, on a real task (though not yet one that can be easily compared with the binaural efforts of others, as in the challenges). Dick On Tue, Sep 2, 2014 at 7:50 AM, Pierre Divenyi <pdivenyi@xxxxxxxx= > wrote: > Jont, > > Its main contribution is that to our knowledge it seems to be the only > computational separation model that includes a precedence component. > > -Pierre > > On 9/2/14, 10:21 AM, "Jont Allen" <jontalle@xxxxxxxx> wrote: > > >Pierre (or Dick), > >What is the main contribution of this MS? Can you say, in a few words? > >Jont > > > >On 09/01/2014 07:11 PM, Richard F. Lyon wrote: > >> Pierre, yes, I agree, that's a good one. > >> They had another the same year, which reached slightly different > >> conclusions about whether an interaural coherence measure is needed: > >> Hummersone, C., Brookes, T., and Mason, R. (2010). =C2=B3A comparison = of > >> computational precedence models > >> for source separation in reverberant environments,=C2=B2 in Audio > >> Engineering Society Convention 128. > >> > >> I wonder why nobody applied these ideas in the subsequent challenges. > >> > >> Dick > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> On Mon, Sep 1, 2014 at 3:45 PM, Pierre Divenyi < > > > >> > wrote: > >> > >> Dick, > >> > >> I found this article > >> Hummersone, C. (2010). =C2=B3Dynamic Precedence Effect Modeling fo= r > >> Source Separation in Reverberant Environments =C2=B3, IEEE TRANSAC= TIONS > >> ON AUDIO, SPEECH, AND LANGUAGE PROCESSING, VOL. 18, NO. 7. > >> -Pierre > >> > >> From: "Richard F. Lyon" <dicklyon@xxxxxxxx <mailto:dicklyon@xxxxxxxx > >> > >> Reply-To: "Richard F. Lyon" <dicklyon@xxxxxxxx > >> <mailto:dicklyon@xxxxxxxx>> > >> Date: Tuesday, August 26, 2014 at 1:47 PM > >> To: <AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx <mailto:AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx>> > >> Subject: Precedence effect in real systems? > >> > >> I'm trying to find examples of where models of the precedent > >> effect have been applied to binaural or multi-microphone sound > >> separation or enhancements systems. Looking at recent REVERB and > >> CHiME challenges, I'm not finding much. > >> > >> Can anyone point me at successes or failures of precedence effect > >> models in systems that have actually been evaluated in some task > >> relative to other approaches? > >> > >> Dick > >> > >> > > > > > > > > --001a11c16ec246d897050219ec32 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div dir=3D"ltr"><div>And these 2 papers compare several different ways of = incorporating precedence effect, on a real task (though not yet one that ca= n be easily compared with the binaural efforts of others, as in the challen= ges). </div>Dick </div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"> <div class= =3D"gmail_quote">On Tue, Sep 2, 2014 at 7:50 AM, Pierre Divenyi <<a href=3D"mailto:pdivenyi@xxxxxxxx" target=3D"_blan= k">pdivenyi@xxxxxxxx</a>> wrote: <blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p= x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Jont, Its main contribution is that to our knowledge it seems to be the only computational separation model that includes a precedence component. -Pierre <div class=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=3D"h5"> On 9/2/14, 10:21 AM, "Jont Allen" <<a href=3D"mailto:jontalle@xxxxxxxx= illinois.edu">jontalle@xxxxxxxx</a>> wrote: >Pierre (or Dick), >What is the main contribution of this MS? Can you say, in a few words?<= br> >Jont > >On 09/01/2014 07:11 PM, Richard F. Lyon wrote: >> Pierre, yes, I agree, that's a good one. >> They had another the same year, which reached slightly different<b= r> >> conclusions about whether an interaural coherence measure is neede= d: >> Hummersone, C., Brookes, T., and Mason, R. (2010). =C2=B3A compari= son of >> computational precedence models >> for source separation in reverberant environments,=C2=B2 in Audio<= br> >> Engineering Society Convention 128. >> >> I wonder why nobody applied these ideas in the subsequent challeng= es. >> >> Dick >> >> >> >> >> On Mon, Sep 1, 2014 at 3:45 PM, Pierre Divenyi < > >> > wrote: >> >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Dick, >> >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0I found this article >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Hummersone, C. (2010). =C2=B3Dynamic Precedence= Effect Modeling for >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Source Separation in Reverberant Environments = =C2=B3, IEEE TRANSACTIONS >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0ON AUDIO, SPEECH, AND LANGUAGE PROCESSING, VOL.= 18, NO. 7. >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0-Pierre >> >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0From: "Richard F. Lyon" <<a href= =3D"mailto:dicklyon@xxxxxxxx">dicklyon@xxxxxxxx</a> <mailto:<a href=3D"mai= lto:dicklyon@xxxxxxxx">dicklyon@xxxxxxxx</a>>> >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Reply-To: "Richard F. Lyon" <<a hr= ef=3D"mailto:dicklyon@xxxxxxxx">dicklyon@xxxxxxxx</a> >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0<mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:dicklyon@xxxxxxxx">= dicklyon@xxxxxxxx</a>>> >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Date: Tuesday, August 26, 2014 at 1:47 PM >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0To: <<a href=3D"mailto:AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx= .CA">AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx</a> <mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx= TS.MCGILL.CA">AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx</a>>> >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Subject: Precedence effect in real systems? >> >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0I'm trying to find examples of where models= of the precedent >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0effect have been applied to binaural or multi-m= icrophone sound >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0separation or enhancements systems.=C2=A0 Looki= ng at recent REVERB and >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0CHiME challenges, I'm not finding much. >> >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Can anyone point me at successes or failures of= precedence effect >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0models in systems that have actually been evalu= ated in some task >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0relative to other approaches? >> >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Dick >> >> > > </div></div></blockquote></div> </div> --001a11c16ec246d897050219ec32--

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