Subject: Re: a mail for help about a paper [AUDITORY] From: Al Bregman <al.bregman@xxxxxxxx> Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2014 01:54:37 -0400 List-Archive:<http://lists.mcgill.ca/scripts/wa.exe?LIST=AUDITORY>--089e0149ce32c6bd9d04f695be84 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Hi Dick, Great of you to supply all this information! As you know, I'm not in this area of research, but I can see how your generous reply could be very useful to someone who was. All the best, Al --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Albert S. Bregman, Emeritus Professor Psychology Department, McGill University Office phone: (514) three-nine-eight-6103, http://webpages.mcgill.ca/staff/Group2/abregm1/web/ --------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 9:22 PM, Richard F. Lyon <dicklyon@xxxxxxxx> wrote: > Inspired by interest in this Johannesma paper and by my really poor old > scan, I sought out an actual original copy of the informal proceedings of > that IPO meeting "Hearing Theory 1972". It's got a lot of good stuff in > it, which I can now make more readable scans of (the original is from poor > typewritten pages to start with, so it's still not great). > > Many of you may know that the requested paper is the one widely cited as > the origin of the formula for a gammatone. I still don't see much clue for > how Johannesma came up with it. Perhaps he was familiar enough with > Laplace transform theory that such a form seemed natural to him? Does > anyone know his background? > > Here's what he says, with a bit of reconstructed LaTeX style thrown in for > the equation: > > The waveform could be well approximated through > $$ R(\tau) \approx c \left(\frac{\tau - \alpha}{\beta}\right)^{\gamma - > 1} > e^{-\frac{\tau - \alpha}{\beta}} \sin(\omega_0 \tau + \phi) $$ > (17) > > The form of $R(\tau)$ is not in an obvious way related with the type of > neuron > characterised by the PSTH on CF tone-bursts (Pfeiffer, 1966). The quality > of $R(\tau)$ seems clearly related with the amount of phase-lock in > tone-burst > response and with cell-type (compare Lavine, 1971). $R(\tau)$ forms the > average > value of the PRSE. ... > > with these refs: > > Pfeiffer, R.R. (1966): Classification of response patterns of spike > discharges for units in the cochlear nucleus: tone burst stimulation, > Exp. Brain Res. 1, 220-235. > > Lavine, R.A. (1971): Phase-locking in response of single neurons in > cochlear nuclear complex of the cat to low-frequency tonal stimuli, > J. Neurophysiol. 34, 467-483. > > > here's the TOC: > > 5 F.A. Bilsen > Pitch of Dichotically Delayed Noise > 9 G. van den Brink > The Influence of Fatigue upon the Pitch of Pure > Tones and Complex Sounds > 16 H. Duifhuis > Peripheral Aspects of Non-Simultaneous Masking > 27 E.F. Evans > Does Frequency Sharpening Occur in the Cochlea? > 35 H. Fastl > Temporal Effects in Masking > 42 L.M. Grobben > Pitch and Power Spectra of Short Tone Pulses > SO T. Houtgast > Psychophysical Experiments on Grating Acuity > 58 P.I.M. Johannesma > The Pre-Response Stimulus Ensemble of Neurons in > the Cochlear Nucleus > 70 H.R. de Jongh > About Coding in the VIIIth Nerve > 78 L.J.J. Lamore > Perception of Octave Complexes > 90 A.R. Moller > Coding of AM and FM Sounds in Cochlear Nucleus > 96 B.C.J. Moore > Audibility of Partials in a Complex Tone, in Relation > to the Pitch of the Complex as a Whole > > 105 A Rakowski > Direct Comparison of Absolute and Relative Pitch > 109 M. Rodenburg > Intensity Discrimination of Noise Bands as a > Function of Bandwidth and Duration > 115 B. Scharf > Frequency Selectivity and Sound Localization > 123 M.R. Schroeder > An Integrable Model for the Basilar Membrane > 135 C.R. Steele > Analysis of Fluid-Elastic Interaction in Cochlea > 142 E. Terhardt > Frequency and Time Resolution of the Ear in Pitch > Perception of Complex Tones > 154 I.e. Whitfield > The Relation .of the Medial Geniculate Body to > the Tonotopic Organization of the Auditory Pathway > 161 F.L. Wightman > Pitch as Auditory Pattern Recognition > 172 J.P. Wilson and J.R. Johnstone > Capacitive Probe Measures of Basilar Membrane > Vibration > 182 E. Zwicker > Investigation of the Inner Ear of the Domestic > Pig and the Squirrel Monkey with Special Regard to > the Hydromechanics of the Cochlear Duct > 186 J.L. Goldstein > Evidence from Aural Combination Tones and Musical > Tones against Classical Periodicity Theory > 209 List of Participants > > > > On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 12:09 AM, Richard F. Lyon <dicklyon@xxxxxxxx>wrote: > >> I am sending a copy. >> >> Dick >> >> >> >> On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 6:10 PM, windok02 <windok02@xxxxxxxx> wrote: >> >>> Hello everyone, I am a researcher in speech analysis, and I have tried >>> to search for a paper but can not find it on the Web: >>> >>> "P I M Johannesma, The pre-response stimulus esemble of neurons in the >>> cochlear nucleus" >>> (In Symposium on Hearing Theory, 1972) >>> >>> Therefore, I write for help to see whether anyone has a file of the >>> paper. >>> Thanks in advance! >>> >>> Yours, >>> X. D. Zhuang >>> Ph. D., WSEAS Research Dept., Athens, GREECE >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> > --089e0149ce32c6bd9d04f695be84 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:tahoma,s= ans-serif">Hi Dick,<br><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font= -family:tahoma,sans-serif">Great of you to supply all this information!=C2= =A0 As you know, I'm not in this area of research, but I can see how yo= ur generous reply could be very useful to someone who was.<br> <br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:tahoma,sans-ser= if">All the best,<br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-famil= y:tahoma,sans-serif">Al<br></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br clear=3D"al= l"><div> <div dir=3D"ltr"><div>-----------------------------------------------------= ----------------------<br>Albert S. Bregman, Emeritus Professor<br>Psycholo= gy Department, McGill University<br>Office phone: (514) three-nine-eight-61= 03, <br> <a href=3D"http://webpages.mcgill.ca/staff/Group2/abregm1/web/" target=3D"= _blank">http://webpages.mcgill.ca/staff/Group2/abregm1/web/</a><br></div><d= iv>------------------------------------------------------------------------= ---</div> </div></div> <br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 9:22 PM, Richard = F. Lyon <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:dicklyon@xxxxxxxx" target=3D= "_blank">dicklyon@xxxxxxxx</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gma= il_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-lef= t:1ex"> <div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div>Inspired by interest in this Johannesma paper an= d by my really poor old scan, I sought out an actual original copy of the i= nformal proceedings of that IPO meeting "Hearing Theory 1972".=C2= =A0 It's got a lot of good stuff in it, which I can now make more reada= ble scans of (the original is from poor typewritten pages to start with, so= it's still not great).<br> <br></div>Many of you may know that the requested paper is the one widely c= ited as the origin of the formula for a gammatone.=C2=A0 I still don't = see much clue for how Johannesma came up with it.=C2=A0 Perhaps he was fami= liar enough with Laplace transform theory that such a form seemed natural t= o him?=C2=A0 Does anyone know his background?<br> <br></div>Here's what he says, with a bit of reconstructed LaTeX style = thrown in for the equation:<br><div><div><div><br><div style=3D"color:rgb(3= 4,34,34);font-family:arial;font-size:small;font-style:normal;font-variant:n= ormal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-alig= n:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing= :0px"> The waveform could be well approximated through=C2=A0</div><div style=3D"co= lor:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial;font-size:small;font-style:normal;font-= variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;= text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;wor= d-spacing:0px"> =C2=A0 $$ R(\tau) \approx c \left(\frac{\tau - \alpha}{\beta}\right)^{\gamm= a - 1} <br>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 e^{-\frac{\tau - \alpha}{\b= eta}} \sin(\omega_0 \tau + \phi) $$ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0(17)</div><d= iv style=3D"color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial;font-size:small;font-styl= e:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-= height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-sp= ace:normal;word-spacing:0px"> =C2=A0</div><div style=3D"color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial;font-size:s= mall;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacin= g:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform= :none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"> The form of $R(\tau)$ is not in an obvious way related with the type of neu= ron=C2=A0</div><div style=3D"color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial;font-siz= e:small;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spa= cing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transf= orm:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"> characterised by the PSTH on CF tone-bursts (Pfeiffer, 1966). The quality= =C2=A0</div><div style=3D"color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial;font-size:s= mall;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacin= g:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform= :none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"> of=C2=A0$R(\tau)$=C2=A0seems clearly related with the amount of phase-lock = in tone-burst=C2=A0</div><div style=3D"color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:aria= l;font-size:small;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;= letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;t= ext-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"> response and with cell-type (compare Lavine, 1971).=C2=A0$R(\tau)$=C2=A0for= ms the average=C2=A0</div><div style=3D"color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:ari= al;font-size:small;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal= ;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;= text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"> value of the PRSE. ...</div><div style=3D"color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:a= rial;font-size:small;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:norm= al;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0p= x;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"> <br></div><div style=3D"color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial;font-size:sma= ll;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:= normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:n= one;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"> with these refs:</div><div style=3D"color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial;f= ont-size:small;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;let= ter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text= -transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"> <br></div><div style=3D"color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial;font-size:sma= ll;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:= normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:n= one;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"> <div>Pfeiffer, R.R. (1966): Classification of response patterns of spike=C2= =A0</div><div>discharges for units in the cochlear nucleus: tone burst stim= ulation,=C2=A0</div><div>Exp. Brain Res. 1, 220-235.=C2=A0</div></div><div = style=3D"color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial;font-size:small;font-style:n= ormal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-hei= ght:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space= :normal;word-spacing:0px"> <br></div><div style=3D"color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial;font-size:sma= ll;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:= normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:n= one;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"> <div>Lavine, R.A. (1971): Phase-locking in response of single neurons in=C2= =A0</div><div>cochlear nuclear complex of the cat to low-frequency tonal st= imuli,=C2=A0</div><div>J. Neurophysiol. 34, 467-483.=C2=A0</div></div><br><= br> </div><div>here's the TOC:<br><br>5 F.A. Bilsen<br>Pitch of Dichoticall= y Delayed Noise<br>9 G. van den Brink<br>The Influence of Fatigue upon the = Pitch of Pure<br>Tones and Complex Sounds<br>16 H. Duifhuis<br>Peripheral A= spects of Non-Simultaneous Masking<br> 27 E.F. Evans<br>Does Frequency Sharpening Occur in the Cochlea?<br>35 H. F= astl<br>Temporal Effects in Masking<br>42 L.M. Grobben<br>Pitch and Power S= pectra of Short Tone Pulses<br>SO T. Houtgast<br>Psychophysical Experiments= on Grating Acuity<br> 58 P.I.M. Johannesma<br>The Pre-Response Stimulus Ensemble of Neurons in<br= >the Cochlear Nucleus<br>70 H.R. de Jongh<br>About Coding in the VIIIth Ner= ve<br>78 L.J.J. Lamore<br>Perception of Octave Complexes<br>90 A.R. Moller<= br> Coding of AM and FM Sounds in Cochlear Nucleus<br>96 B.C.J. Moore<br>Audibi= lity of Partials in a Complex Tone, in Relation<br>to the Pitch of the Comp= lex as a Whole<br><br>105 A Rakowski<br>Direct Comparison of Absolute and R= elative Pitch<br> 109 M. Rodenburg<br>Intensity Discrimination of Noise Bands as a<br>Functio= n of Bandwidth and Duration<br>115 B. Scharf<br>Frequency Selectivity and S= ound Localization<br>123 M.R. Schroeder<br>An Integrable Model for the Basi= lar Membrane<br> 135 C.R. Steele<br>Analysis of Fluid-Elastic Interaction in Cochlea<br>142 = E. Terhardt<br>Frequency and Time Resolution of the Ear in Pitch<br>Percept= ion of Complex Tones<br>154 I.e. Whitfield<br>The Relation .of the Medial G= eniculate Body to<br> the Tonotopic Organization of the Auditory Pathway<br>161 F.L. Wightman<br>= Pitch as Auditory Pattern Recognition<br>172 J.P. Wilson and J.R. Johnstone= <br>Capacitive Probe Measures of Basilar Membrane<br>Vibration<br>182 E. Zw= icker<br> Investigation of the Inner Ear of the Domestic<br>Pig and the Squirrel Monk= ey with Special Regard to<br>the Hydromechanics of the Cochlear Duct<br>186= J.L. Goldstein<br>Evidence from Aural Combination Tones and Musical<br> Tones against Classical Periodicity Theory<br>209 List of Participants<br><= br></div></div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail= _quote">On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 12:09 AM, Richard F. Lyon <span dir=3D"ltr"= ><<a href=3D"mailto:dicklyon@xxxxxxxx" target=3D"_blank">dicklyon@xxxxxxxx= </a>></span> wrote:<br> <blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-= left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">I am sen= ding a copy.<br><br>Dick<br><br></div><div><div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"> <br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 6:10 PM, windok0= 2 <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:windok02@xxxxxxxx" target=3D"_blan= k">windok02@xxxxxxxx</a>></span> wrote:<br> <blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-= left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div style=3D"line-height= :1.7;font-size:14px;font-family:arial">Hello everyone, I am a researcher in= speech analysis, and I have tried to search for a paper but can not find i= t on the Web:<div> <br></div><div>"P I M Johannesma, The pre-response stimulus esemble of= neurons in the cochlear nucleus"</div><div>=C2=A0(In Symposium on Hea= ring Theory, 1972)</div><div><br></div><div>Therefore, I write for help to = see whether anyone has a file of the paper.=C2=A0</div> <div>Thanks in advance!</div><div><br></div><div>Yours,</div><div>X. D. Zhu= ang</div><div>Ph. D.,=C2=A0WSEAS Research Dept., Athens, GREECE</div><div><= br></div><div><br></div></div><br><br><span title=3D"neteasefooter"><span><= /span></span></blockquote> </div><br></div> </div></div></blockquote></div><br></div></div> </blockquote></div><br></div></div> --089e0149ce32c6bd9d04f695be84--