Subject: Re: Excessive requests for papers From: Etienne Gaudrain <e.p.c.gaudrain@xxxxxxxx> Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2014 13:38:10 +0200 List-Archive:<http://lists.mcgill.ca/scripts/wa.exe?LIST=AUDITORY>This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------060507000409070304010208 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear Giuseppe, I completely agree with all your points, except #6. In general, I find=20 emails I don't care about very easy to ignore (nothing like begging=20 children or students, for instance). And this also applies to emails of=20 people complaining that the list is not what they think it should be... But since I'm here now, I'm adding that IJA is particularly difficult to=20 get to, often not part of publisher packages. Paid access is $54 for=20 24h... The normal route would be to contact the authors, but this=20 particular article, although it has a DOI, was published more that 20=20 years ago (... I know, 1992 feels like yesterday for me too), and I=20 couldn't track down an email address for the authors (even though I live=20 in the same country). So I also think that Brian Katz comment was rather=20 unjustified. Best, -Etienne --=20 Etienne Gaudrain, PhD UMCG, Afdeling KNO, BB20 PO Box 30.001 9700 RB Groningen, NL Room P3.236 Phone +31 5036 13290 Skype egaudrain Note: emails to this address are limited to 10 MB. To send larger files, = use egaudrain.cam@xxxxxxxx On 03/04/2014 11:32, Giuseppe Buzzanca wrote: > > Dear List: > > please allow me a few very short considerations. I apologize in advance= . > > 1. I do not feel "bombarded" at all by paper requests; > > 2. I believe that this topic (paper requests) has been discussed in=20 > the past, and it has been decided that it is ok to ask for papers; > > 3. There might be a certain number of us living in places or working=20 > for universities where it can be objectively hard to readily get=20 > papers, even if these papers can be deemed "regularly available" by=20 > others who maybe live in richer parts of the world or work for=20 > wealthier universities; > > 4. One of the purposes of a list like this one should be to provide=20 > scientists with the ability to access information and data from=20 > multiple sources (papers included); > > 5. I personally feel VERY uncomfortable when someone intervenes to=20 > censor (maybe arbitrarily?) other Colleagues. > > 6. I know this is not important at all, but should this happen again,=20 > I would have no other choice but leaving the list right away. > > Best regards, Giuseppe Buzzanca Pd.D., M.D. > > > > 2014-04-03 10:25 GMT+02:00 Brian FG Katz <brian.katz@xxxxxxxx=20 > <mailto:brian.katz@xxxxxxxx>>: > > Dear Auditory List, > > I would like to return to a point of discussion which was made > some years ago regarding paper requests. > > It is acknowledged that some research articles, due to their age > or presence in an obscure hard to find conference proceedings, are > difficult to get your hands on, and a request for help in finding > them is not inappropriate, especially after some effort have been > made by the requester to search various libraries. > > It is not however appropriate to ask the list for copies of > *regularly available* articles, especially from those associated > with a university where the articles can easily be obtained > through basic library services (albeit sometime with some fee to > the lab), and *especially* for an article with a clearly > identifiable DOI! > > The Auditory list is not a replacement for your activities as a > researcher to actually research information. > > Please refrain from bombarding all our emails with such requests > until you have made a real effort to find the article in question. > > Cordially, > > -- > Brian FG Katz, Ph.D, HDR > Audio & Acoustique > LIMSI - CNRS > BP 133 > F-91403 ORSAY CEDEX > Phone. + 33 (0)1 69 85 81 55 > <tel:%2B%20%2033%20%280%291%2069%2085%2081%2055> - Fax. + 33 (0)1 > 69 85 80 88 <tel:%2B%20%2033%20%280%291%2069%2085%2080%2088> > http://www.limsi.fr > > web_group: http://www.limsi.fr/Scientifique/aa/ web_theme: > http://www.limsi.fr/Scientifique/aa/thmsonesp/ > Ce message et toutes les pi=E8ces jointes sont confidentiels et > =E9tablis =E0 l'intention exclusive de ses destinataires. > Toute utilisation ou diffusion non autoris=E9e est interdite. > This message and any attachments are confidential and intended > solely for the addressees. > Any unauthorised use or dissemination is prohibited. > > De : AUDITORY - Research in Auditory Perception > [mailto:AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx > <mailto:AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx>] De la part de Patricia P=E9rez > Gonz=E1lez > Envoy=E9 : jeudi 3 avril 2014 09:58 > =C0 : AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx <mailto:AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx> > Objet : [AUDITORY] Request for paper > > Dear list, > > I'm looking for this paper: > > J. Verschuure and P.P.G van Benthem (1992). "Effect of Hearing > Aids on Speech Perception in Noisy Situations" > International Journal of Audiology, Vol. 31, No. 4 , Pages 205-221 > (doi:10.3109/00206099209081656) > > Anyone have a copy of this? > Thank you very much! > > Cheers, > Patri > -- > Patricia P=E9rez Gonz=E1lez > Laboratorio de Audici=F3n Computacional y Psicoac=FAstica (Lab. 2) > Instituto de Neurociencias de Castilla y Le=F3n > Universidad de Salamanca, > C/ Pintor Fernando Gallego n=BA 1 > 37007 Salamanca, Spain. > > > Tel. +34-923 294 500 ext. 1983 > <tel:%2B34-923%20294%20500%20ext.%201983> > E-mail: patripg@xxxxxxxx <mailto:patripg@xxxxxxxx> > > > > > --=20 > Le informazioni contenute in questo > messaggio di posta elettronica sono > riservate e confidenziali e ne e' vietata la > diffusione in qualunque > modoeseguita.Qualora Lei non fosse la > persona a cui il presente messaggio e' > destinato, La invitiamo gentilmente ad > eliminarlo dopo averne dato tempestiva > comunicazione al mittente e a non > utilizzare in alcun caso il suo > contenuto.Qualsivoglia utilizzo non > autorizzato di questo messaggio e dei suoi > eventuali allegati espone il responsabile > alle relative conseguenze civili e penali. > Giuseppe Buzzanca --------------060507000409070304010208 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit <html> <head> <meta content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1" http-equiv="Content-Type"> </head> <body bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"> Dear Giuseppe,<br> <br> I completely agree with all your points, except #6. In general, I find emails I don't care about very easy to ignore (nothing like begging children or students, for instance). And this also applies to emails of people complaining that the list is not what they think it should be...<br> <br> But since I'm here now, I'm adding that IJA is particularly difficult to get to, often not part of publisher packages. Paid access is $54 for 24h... The normal route would be to contact the authors, but this particular article, although it has a DOI, was published more that 20 years ago (... I know, 1992 feels like yesterday for me too), and I couldn't track down an email address for the authors (even though I live in the same country). So I also think that Brian Katz comment was rather unjustified.<br> <br> Best,<br> -Etienne<br> <br> <pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">-- Etienne Gaudrain, PhD UMCG, Afdeling KNO, BB20 PO Box 30.001 9700 RB Groningen, NL Room P3.236 Phone +31 5036 13290 Skype egaudrain Note: emails to this address are limited to 10 MB. To send larger files, use <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:egaudrain.cam@xxxxxxxx">egaudrain.cam@xxxxxxxx</a>.</pre> <br> <br> <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 03/04/2014 11:32, Giuseppe Buzzanca wrote:<br> </div> <blockquote cite="mid:12107_1396518310_533D2DA6_12107_197_5_CAKSaJKXwXogb190C0YFv+uOterwBYZpmBHW5HCJ13Ct82KA38g@xxxxxxxx" type="cite"> <div dir="ltr"> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt;text-align:justify;line-height:150%"><span style="font-size:12pt;line-height:150%;font-family:'Adobe Garamond Pro',serif" lang="EN-US">Dear List:</span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt;text-align:justify;line-height:150%"><span style="font-size:12pt;line-height:150%;font-family:'Adobe Garamond Pro',serif" lang="EN-US">please allow me a few very short considerations. I apologize in advance.</span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt;text-align:justify;line-height:150%"><span style="font-size:12pt;line-height:150%;font-family:'Adobe Garamond Pro',serif" lang="EN-US">1. I do not feel “bombarded” at all by paper requests;</span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt;text-align:justify;line-height:150%"><span style="font-size:12pt;line-height:150%;font-family:'Adobe Garamond Pro',serif" lang="EN-US">2. I believe that this topic (paper requests) has been discussed in the past, and it has been decided that it is ok to ask for papers;</span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt;text-align:justify;line-height:150%"><span style="font-size:12pt;line-height:150%;font-family:'Adobe Garamond Pro',serif" lang="EN-US">3. There might be a certain number of us living in places or working for universities where it can be objectively hard to readily get papers, even if these papers can be deemed “regularly available” by others who maybe live in richer parts of the world or work for wealthier universities;</span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt;text-align:justify;line-height:150%"><span style="font-size:12pt;line-height:150%;font-family:'Adobe Garamond Pro',serif" lang="EN-US">4. One of the purposes of a list like this one should be to provide scientists with the ability to access information and data from multiple sources (papers included);</span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt;text-align:justify;line-height:150%"><span style="font-size:12pt;line-height:150%;font-family:'Adobe Garamond Pro',serif" lang="EN-US">5. I personally feel VERY uncomfortable when someone intervenes to censor (maybe arbitrarily?) other Colleagues.</span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt;text-align:justify;line-height:150%"><span style="font-size:12pt;line-height:150%;font-family:'Adobe Garamond Pro',serif" lang="EN-US">6. I know this is not important at all, but should this happen again, I would have no other choice but leaving the list right away. </span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt;text-align:justify;line-height:150%"><span style="font-size:12pt;line-height:150%;font-family:'Adobe Garamond Pro',serif" lang="EN-US">Best regards, Giuseppe Buzzanca Pd.D., M.D.</span></p> <div class="gmail_extra"><br> <br> <div class="gmail_quote">2014-04-03 10:25 GMT+02:00 Brian FG Katz <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:brian.katz@xxxxxxxx" target="_blank">brian.katz@xxxxxxxx</a>></span>:<br> <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Dear Auditory List,<br> <br> I would like to return to a point of discussion which was made some years ago regarding paper requests.<br> <br> It is acknowledged that some research articles, due to their age or presence in an obscure hard to find conference proceedings, are difficult to get your hands on, and a request for help in finding them is not inappropriate, especially after some effort have been made by the requester to search various libraries.<br> <br> It is not however appropriate to ask the list for copies of *regularly available* articles, especially from those associated with a university where the articles can easily be obtained through basic library services (albeit sometime with some fee to the lab), and *especially* for an article with a clearly identifiable DOI!<br> <br> The Auditory list is not a replacement for your activities as a researcher to actually research information.<br> <br> Please refrain from bombarding all our emails with such requests until you have made a real effort to find the article in question.<br> <br> Cordially,<br> <br> --<br> Brian FG Katz, Ph.D, HDR<br> Audio & Acoustique<br> LIMSI - CNRS<br> BP 133<br> F-91403 ORSAY CEDEX<br> Phone. <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="tel:%2B%20%2033%20%280%291%2069%2085%2081%2055" value="+33169858155">+ 33 (0)1 69 85 81 55</a> - Fax. <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="tel:%2B%20%2033%20%280%291%2069%2085%2080%2088" value="+33169858088">+ 33 (0)1 69 85 80 88</a><br> <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.limsi.fr" target="_blank">http://www.limsi.fr</a><br> <br> web_group: <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.limsi.fr/Scientifique/aa/" target="_blank">http://www.limsi.fr/Scientifique/aa/</a> web_theme: <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.limsi.fr/Scientifique/aa/thmsonesp/" target="_blank">http://www.limsi.fr/Scientifique/aa/thmsonesp/</a><br> Ce message et toutes les pièces jointes sont confidentiels et établis à l'intention exclusive de ses destinataires.<br> Toute utilisation ou diffusion non autorisée est interdite.<br> This message and any attachments are confidential and intended solely for the addressees.<br> Any unauthorised use or dissemination is prohibited.<br> <br> De : AUDITORY - Research in Auditory Perception [mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx">AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx</a>] De la part de Patricia Pérez González<br> Envoyé : jeudi 3 avril 2014 09:58<br> À : <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx">AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx</a><br> Objet : [AUDITORY] Request for paper<br> <br> Dear list,<br> <br> I'm looking for this paper:<br> <br> J. Verschuure and P.P.G van Benthem (1992). "Effect of Hearing Aids on Speech Perception in Noisy Situations"<br> International Journal of Audiology, Vol. 31, No. 4 , Pages 205-221 (doi:10.3109/00206099209081656)<br> <br> Anyone have a copy of this?<br> Thank you very much!<br> <br> Cheers,<br> Patri<br> <span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888">--<br> Patricia Pérez González<br> Laboratorio de Audición Computacional y Psicoacústica (Lab. 2)<br> Instituto de Neurociencias de Castilla y León<br> Universidad de Salamanca,<br> C/ Pintor Fernando Gallego nº 1<br> 37007 Salamanca, Spain.<br> <br> <br> Tel. <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="tel:%2B34-923%20294%20500%20ext.%201983" value="+34923294500">+34-923 294 500 ext. 1983</a><br> E-mail: <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:patripg@xxxxxxxx">patripg@xxxxxxxx</a><br> </font></span></blockquote> </div> <br> <br clear="all"> <div><br> </div> -- <br> Le informazioni contenute in questo<br> messaggio di posta elettronica sono<br> riservate e confidenziali e ne e' vietata la<br> diffusione in qualunque<br> modoeseguita.Qualora Lei non fosse la<br> persona a cui il presente messaggio e'<br> destinato, La invitiamo gentilmente ad<br> eliminarlo dopo averne dato tempestiva<br> comunicazione al mittente e a non<br> utilizzare in alcun caso il suo<br> contenuto.Qualsivoglia utilizzo non<br> autorizzato di questo messaggio e dei suoi<br> eventuali allegati espone il responsabile<br> alle relative conseguenze civili e penali.<br> Giuseppe Buzzanca </div> </div> </blockquote> <br> <pre class="moz-signature" cols="72"> </pre> </body> </html> --------------060507000409070304010208--