Subject: Re: Excessive requests for papers From: Tassos Sarampalis <a.sarampalis@xxxxxxxx> Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2014 12:00:15 +0200 List-Archive:<http://lists.mcgill.ca/scripts/wa.exe?LIST=AUDITORY>This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------050501010805090307020701 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear List, Giuseppe voiced my thoughts perfectly in all respects. regards, Tassos Sarampalis On 03/04/14 11:32, Giuseppe Buzzanca wrote: > > Dear List: > > please allow me a few very short considerations. I apologize in advance= . > > 1. I do not feel "bombarded" at all by paper requests; > > 2. I believe that this topic (paper requests) has been discussed in=20 > the past, and it has been decided that it is ok to ask for papers; > > 3. There might be a certain number of us living in places or working=20 > for universities where it can be objectively hard to readily get=20 > papers, even if these papers can be deemed "regularly available" by=20 > others who maybe live in richer parts of the world or work for=20 > wealthier universities; > > 4. One of the purposes of a list like this one should be to provide=20 > scientists with the ability to access information and data from=20 > multiple sources (papers included); > > 5. I personally feel VERY uncomfortable when someone intervenes to=20 > censor (maybe arbitrarily?) other Colleagues. > > 6. I know this is not important at all, but should this happen again,=20 > I would have no other choice but leaving the list right away. > > Best regards, Giuseppe Buzzanca Pd.D., M.D. > > > > 2014-04-03 10:25 GMT+02:00 Brian FG Katz <brian.katz@xxxxxxxx=20 > <mailto:brian.katz@xxxxxxxx>>: > > Dear Auditory List, > > I would like to return to a point of discussion which was made > some years ago regarding paper requests. > > It is acknowledged that some research articles, due to their age > or presence in an obscure hard to find conference proceedings, are > difficult to get your hands on, and a request for help in finding > them is not inappropriate, especially after some effort have been > made by the requester to search various libraries. > > It is not however appropriate to ask the list for copies of > *regularly available* articles, especially from those associated > with a university where the articles can easily be obtained > through basic library services (albeit sometime with some fee to > the lab), and *especially* for an article with a clearly > identifiable DOI! > > The Auditory list is not a replacement for your activities as a > researcher to actually research information. > > Please refrain from bombarding all our emails with such requests > until you have made a real effort to find the article in question. > > Cordially, > > -- > Brian FG Katz, Ph.D, HDR > Audio & Acoustique > LIMSI - CNRS > BP 133 > F-91403 ORSAY CEDEX > Phone. + 33 (0)1 69 85 81 55 > <tel:%2B%20%2033%20%280%291%2069%2085%2081%2055> - Fax. + 33 (0)1 > 69 85 80 88 <tel:%2B%20%2033%20%280%291%2069%2085%2080%2088> > http://www.limsi.fr > > web_group: http://www.limsi.fr/Scientifique/aa/ web_theme: > http://www.limsi.fr/Scientifique/aa/thmsonesp/ > Ce message et toutes les pi=E8ces jointes sont confidentiels et > =E9tablis =E0 l'intention exclusive de ses destinataires. > Toute utilisation ou diffusion non autoris=E9e est interdite. > This message and any attachments are confidential and intended > solely for the addressees. > Any unauthorised use or dissemination is prohibited. > > De : AUDITORY - Research in Auditory Perception > [mailto:AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx > <mailto:AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx>] De la part de Patricia P=E9rez > Gonz=E1lez > Envoy=E9 : jeudi 3 avril 2014 09:58 > =C0 : AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx <mailto:AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx> > Objet : [AUDITORY] Request for paper > > Dear list, > > I'm looking for this paper: > > J. Verschuure and P.P.G van Benthem (1992). "Effect of Hearing > Aids on Speech Perception in Noisy Situations" > International Journal of Audiology, Vol. 31, No. 4 , Pages 205-221 > (doi:10.3109/00206099209081656) > > Anyone have a copy of this? > Thank you very much! > > Cheers, > Patri > -- > Patricia P=E9rez Gonz=E1lez > Laboratorio de Audici=F3n Computacional y Psicoac=FAstica (Lab. 2) > Instituto de Neurociencias de Castilla y Le=F3n > Universidad de Salamanca, > C/ Pintor Fernando Gallego n=BA 1 > 37007 Salamanca, Spain. > > > Tel. +34-923 294 500 ext. 1983 > <tel:%2B34-923%20294%20500%20ext.%201983> > E-mail: patripg@xxxxxxxx <mailto:patripg@xxxxxxxx> > > > > > --=20 > Le informazioni contenute in questo > messaggio di posta elettronica sono > riservate e confidenziali e ne e' vietata la > diffusione in qualunque > modoeseguita.Qualora Lei non fosse la > persona a cui il presente messaggio e' > destinato, La invitiamo gentilmente ad > eliminarlo dopo averne dato tempestiva > comunicazione al mittente e a non > utilizzare in alcun caso il suo > contenuto.Qualsivoglia utilizzo non > autorizzato di questo messaggio e dei suoi > eventuali allegati espone il responsabile > alle relative conseguenze civili e penali. > Giuseppe Buzzanca --------------050501010805090307020701 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit <html> <head> <meta content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1" http-equiv="Content-Type"> </head> <body text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF"> <br> Dear List,<br> <br> Giuseppe voiced my thoughts perfectly in all respects.<br> <br> regards,<br> Tassos Sarampalis<br> <br> <br> <br> <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 03/04/14 11:32, Giuseppe Buzzanca wrote:<br> </div> <blockquote cite="mid:12107_1396518323_533D2DB2_12107_199_1_CAKSaJKXwXogb190C0YFv+uOterwBYZpmBHW5HCJ13Ct82KA38g@xxxxxxxx" type="cite"> <div dir="ltr"> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt;text-align:justify;line-height:150%"><span style="font-size:12pt;line-height:150%;font-family:'Adobe Garamond Pro',serif" lang="EN-US">Dear List:</span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt;text-align:justify;line-height:150%"><span style="font-size:12pt;line-height:150%;font-family:'Adobe Garamond Pro',serif" lang="EN-US">please allow me a few very short considerations. I apologize in advance.</span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt;text-align:justify;line-height:150%"><span style="font-size:12pt;line-height:150%;font-family:'Adobe Garamond Pro',serif" lang="EN-US">1. I do not feel “bombarded” at all by paper requests;</span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt;text-align:justify;line-height:150%"><span style="font-size:12pt;line-height:150%;font-family:'Adobe Garamond Pro',serif" lang="EN-US">2. I believe that this topic (paper requests) has been discussed in the past, and it has been decided that it is ok to ask for papers;</span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt;text-align:justify;line-height:150%"><span style="font-size:12pt;line-height:150%;font-family:'Adobe Garamond Pro',serif" lang="EN-US">3. There might be a certain number of us living in places or working for universities where it can be objectively hard to readily get papers, even if these papers can be deemed “regularly available” by others who maybe live in richer parts of the world or work for wealthier universities;</span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt;text-align:justify;line-height:150%"><span style="font-size:12pt;line-height:150%;font-family:'Adobe Garamond Pro',serif" lang="EN-US">4. One of the purposes of a list like this one should be to provide scientists with the ability to access information and data from multiple sources (papers included);</span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt;text-align:justify;line-height:150%"><span style="font-size:12pt;line-height:150%;font-family:'Adobe Garamond Pro',serif" lang="EN-US">5. I personally feel VERY uncomfortable when someone intervenes to censor (maybe arbitrarily?) other Colleagues.</span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt;text-align:justify;line-height:150%"><span style="font-size:12pt;line-height:150%;font-family:'Adobe Garamond Pro',serif" lang="EN-US">6. I know this is not important at all, but should this happen again, I would have no other choice but leaving the list right away. </span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt;text-align:justify;line-height:150%"><span style="font-size:12pt;line-height:150%;font-family:'Adobe Garamond Pro',serif" lang="EN-US">Best regards, Giuseppe Buzzanca Pd.D., M.D.</span></p> <div class="gmail_extra"><br> <br> <div class="gmail_quote">2014-04-03 10:25 GMT+02:00 Brian FG Katz <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:brian.katz@xxxxxxxx" target="_blank">brian.katz@xxxxxxxx</a>></span>:<br> <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Dear Auditory List,<br> <br> I would like to return to a point of discussion which was made some years ago regarding paper requests.<br> <br> It is acknowledged that some research articles, due to their age or presence in an obscure hard to find conference proceedings, are difficult to get your hands on, and a request for help in finding them is not inappropriate, especially after some effort have been made by the requester to search various libraries.<br> <br> It is not however appropriate to ask the list for copies of *regularly available* articles, especially from those associated with a university where the articles can easily be obtained through basic library services (albeit sometime with some fee to the lab), and *especially* for an article with a clearly identifiable DOI!<br> <br> The Auditory list is not a replacement for your activities as a researcher to actually research information.<br> <br> Please refrain from bombarding all our emails with such requests until you have made a real effort to find the article in question.<br> <br> Cordially,<br> <br> --<br> Brian FG Katz, Ph.D, HDR<br> Audio & Acoustique<br> LIMSI - CNRS<br> BP 133<br> F-91403 ORSAY CEDEX<br> Phone. <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="tel:%2B%20%2033%20%280%291%2069%2085%2081%2055" value="+33169858155">+ 33 (0)1 69 85 81 55</a> - Fax. <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="tel:%2B%20%2033%20%280%291%2069%2085%2080%2088" value="+33169858088">+ 33 (0)1 69 85 80 88</a><br> <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.limsi.fr" target="_blank">http://www.limsi.fr</a><br> <br> web_group: <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.limsi.fr/Scientifique/aa/" target="_blank">http://www.limsi.fr/Scientifique/aa/</a> web_theme: <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.limsi.fr/Scientifique/aa/thmsonesp/" target="_blank">http://www.limsi.fr/Scientifique/aa/thmsonesp/</a><br> Ce message et toutes les pièces jointes sont confidentiels et établis à l'intention exclusive de ses destinataires.<br> Toute utilisation ou diffusion non autorisée est interdite.<br> This message and any attachments are confidential and intended solely for the addressees.<br> Any unauthorised use or dissemination is prohibited.<br> <br> De : AUDITORY - Research in Auditory Perception [mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx">AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx</a>] De la part de Patricia Pérez González<br> Envoyé : jeudi 3 avril 2014 09:58<br> À : <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx">AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx</a><br> Objet : [AUDITORY] Request for paper<br> <br> Dear list,<br> <br> I'm looking for this paper:<br> <br> J. Verschuure and P.P.G van Benthem (1992). "Effect of Hearing Aids on Speech Perception in Noisy Situations"<br> International Journal of Audiology, Vol. 31, No. 4 , Pages 205-221 (doi:10.3109/00206099209081656)<br> <br> Anyone have a copy of this?<br> Thank you very much!<br> <br> Cheers,<br> Patri<br> <span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888">--<br> Patricia Pérez González<br> Laboratorio de Audición Computacional y Psicoacústica (Lab. 2)<br> Instituto de Neurociencias de Castilla y León<br> Universidad de Salamanca,<br> C/ Pintor Fernando Gallego nº 1<br> 37007 Salamanca, Spain.<br> <br> <br> Tel. <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="tel:%2B34-923%20294%20500%20ext.%201983" value="+34923294500">+34-923 294 500 ext. 1983</a><br> E-mail: <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:patripg@xxxxxxxx">patripg@xxxxxxxx</a><br> </font></span></blockquote> </div> <br> <br clear="all"> <div><br> </div> -- <br> Le informazioni contenute in questo<br> messaggio di posta elettronica sono<br> riservate e confidenziali e ne e' vietata la<br> diffusione in qualunque<br> modoeseguita.Qualora Lei non fosse la<br> persona a cui il presente messaggio e'<br> destinato, La invitiamo gentilmente ad<br> eliminarlo dopo averne dato tempestiva<br> comunicazione al mittente e a non<br> utilizzare in alcun caso il suo<br> contenuto.Qualsivoglia utilizzo non<br> autorizzato di questo messaggio e dei suoi<br> eventuali allegati espone il responsabile<br> alle relative conseguenze civili e penali.<br> Giuseppe Buzzanca </div> </div> </blockquote> <br> </body> </html> --------------050501010805090307020701--